It's a mixture of not being an accurate passer and not having an overly strong arm.

I think it's release point, usually. That, and opening up too much with your front foot instead of stepping into your throw. When your shoulders open up too much, you're throwing with all arm instead of using your legs. With Cassel, I think he still doesn't trust/understand his pocket, so sometimes, he isn't stepping into his throw at all.

I agree, he doesn't have a strong arm. But, neither does Matt Ryan. Neither does Mark Sanchez. If that is a factor for you, then I don't understand your love of these two guys with average arm strength.

They're more accurate passers than Cassel is.

I think it's a bit early to make that proclamation about Sanchez. He has been far from accurate this year.

Sanchez has a stronger arm than Ryan or Cassel.

Cassel has similar arm strength to Phillip Rivers. Which isn't amazing, but it's definitely serviceable.

Only Rivers has worked on his wind-up deep ball delivery and can throw it deep accurately.

Cassel makes just about anyone look accurate, he's so wildly inconsistent with it you don't know what throw you are getting from play to play.

That's definitely debatable.

Then that should be your gripe... not that he doesn't have a strong arm.

I am far from 'impressed' with him. But, I also think he isn't nearly as bad as some on this board think.

I don't think Sanchez has a stronger arm in the least.

I have never really ragged on his arm, someone asked what his deep ball problem was so I gave my view.

His inaccuracy is a far bigger issue.

He's a game manager type guy. Accept it and move on.

Fair.

Same things have been said about Len Dawson, Tom Brady and Big Ben.

I am NOT saying he will be like any of those guys. I am saying that once a guy gets used to a system and has some talent around him.... opinions of him often change.

Right, because you didn't see it.

Cassel was his usual inconsistent self. Good throw. Dog shit throw. Rinse repeat.

The fact that this was his best game as a Chief is not a positive.

Not so much.

The standard for what is acceptable play from Matt Cassel is moving....

Then you haven't paid attention.

How so?

It went from hey this is our franchise QB to hey as long as he isn't complete suck he's doing alright, saying he played well today is proof of that.

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

I didn't see the game but from what Len was saying Cassel was playing really good. He threw some perfect passes that were dropped that Len was going ballistic over.

Without the drops his stat line would be 31/40 and probably over 400yds which is not bad.

Hasn't moved for me. I said he and Sanchez would both be average starting QB's. So, why give up a top five pick, when you can give up a second round pick?

If you really believe he made a bunch of good passes that got dropped...

You know why our WR's drop so many balls? Because Cassel is consistently on the wrong shoulder, behind, to far in front, way to high, to low all the ****ing time.

It's hard to catch passes consistently when the QB throws them at you like he's blind.

what about the perfect 39 yard pass that set up the td both to chambers? no afm strength?
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I think he did play well today. I have no idea how that changes anything though. He was sub-par the last few weeks before this. This game doesn't change that.

But, I thought he played well today, and if he can put more games like this together, then that's a good thing.

Look everyone it's Cassel's boyfriend Jason.

I disagree. Cassel is pressing. He is trying to throw the PERFECT pass every time he drops back because of the dropped balls IMO. He puts it in front of the WR, it's dropped. He puts it on the receiver, it's dropped. He puts it on the receivers back shoulder, it's dropped.

Cassel deserves criticism. But he ultimately can't be judged by this season. the bottom line is that he has ZERO consistency with his WR Corp, and most of that is on Haley.

I as well as anyone here, have no idea what Cassel can be. I was on this board listening to posters slam Trent Green all over the place after his first season...and he had better weapons, and KC gave up a first round pick for him!

Let's be realistic and hope that he has a bit more consistency in front of him, and around him throughout the entire offseason and beyond.
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I am going just going by what Len was saying over the radio. I guess he was lying and blind.

I believe he made catchable throws to Mark Bradley, Jake O'Connell, and Dwayne Bowe.

And unfortunately Mark Bradley, Jake O'Connell, and Dwayne Bowe played like a bunch of ****ing scrubs today.

That was a very nice throw.

For someone who takes issue anytime someone attacks him without addressing your posts, this is comical.

Jason pointed out that Cassel made a good throw, with zip, on a deep route on the final drive. He did show good arm strength on that throw. His problem is consistency and accuracy, from what I can see.

I know Thigpen will never be a good NFL QB but I had a better time last year than this year!! Mabye because the Chiefs didn't pay him 60 mil.

Um Mitch Holtus at one point said the Chiefs were playing well as the Cleveland RB was ass raping them...they are Chiefs employees.

wow at least im consistent, in this thread you say he has a weak arm then say you never rag on his arm, why dont you just shut the **** up?
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Total BS. I have watched him. Now, you are just pushing your agenda. The WR's, Backs and TE's have dropped perfectly placed balls all season.

The 'drops' are looked at to see how 'catchable' they are. Haley said he felt like there should be ten more than are reported, but that they wouldn't have been 'easy' catches.

But, I have seen pass after pass hit them perfectly... PERFECTLY... and the receiver still drops them.

Yes he made 1 good throw out of about 35 tries at it this year, should I get him a cookie?

I don't disagree with much of this, but when I see a QB with accuracy problems, my faith dwindles very, very quickly.

He's what I thought he'd be to this point, unfortunately.

Go blame Randy Moss for his deep ball problems.

what mecca said didnt happen today, almost every drop hit the wr on the hands. len saying matt cant throw and catch it should tell you something
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It really comes down to the fact that this loss absolutely cannot be pinned to Cassel in any way, shape, or form. He did his part. Aside from not morphing into John Elway, he didn't fail this team at all today.

Yeah, you have room to talk. Does Sanchez know you are on the internet? He should be getting home any minute. You may want to put on something pretty.

Posts like this are why you are a clown.

No, you should not get him a cookie. However, he made more than one good throw today. His throw to Bradley for the last TD was a great throw. Some will say it was off-target and behind Bradley. However, if he leads Bradley on that throw, it is either picked by the safety who was coming over to defend it, or he seperates ball from Bradley. It was also a perfectly thrown ball. So was the throw to Bowe on the final drive to get us to the 25, where Haley called a ****ing Hail Mary.

I talk about Sanchez?

No I don't that's you stupid ****s that can never let that go.

Right now Matt Cassel is a scrub and he's the QB of our team, that's reality.

again **** you. moss dogs it when things dont go perfect, again what were they saying about him last week???
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I understand that but Len calls it as he sees it.

I'll be happy when Jason can provide a view that isn't "the Chiefs are going to be awesome so and so rules because he's on the Chiefs!"

Cmon dude you thought Thigpen ruled.

so was the next one for the td imo nice touch
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I have been on Cassel's side this whole season but today was the last straw. He cannot throw the long ball. They look like punts. His decision making is horrible.
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Cassel is what he is, he's a Carl Peterson/Marty era QB, to bad we don't have the defense to prop him up.

you are an assclown, i have provided a view about his play today, where did you watch the game today?
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*Yawn*

And another great football discussion.

It looked to me as if he was trying to in this very thread.

Yep.

Great, I saw the same stuff I see every week, he'll make 1 good throw followed by a horrid one.

The difference in this week and the past weeks is Cleveland is as bad as we are.

I am of the opinion that the sloppy OLine play for most of the season is partly to blame for that. I definitely think Cassel needs to work on his accuracy deep, however again in my opinion it has a lot to do with consistency in the WR Corp.

IMO some of the issues are on Cassel. Some of the issues are with the WR Corp. Some of the issues are with the O Line. It's a team game, and in my 20+ years of playing and watching football, if I've learned one thing, it's that sloppy play from one group leads to sloppy play from another.
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I'm not really pro or anti-Cassel at this moment, but after today we have 48 drops on the season. Though it is not fully accurate to add them on to his stats, if you gave him 48 extra completions on the season his comp % rises to 65.74~%. That isn't bad at all... again though, a few drops a season always happen, but a rise in 11% completions or so is pretty dramatic.

I wonder what Milkman would say to Dawson being categorized as a "game manager"? MM actually lived and watched games in that era. It's very possible I could be wrong, but I'm going to go ahead and say that someone would be getting a new asshole or 3 for Christmas this year.

If you saw the exact same game from Cassel this week that you saw the last two weeks then you have eye tumors.

Part of the line problems are on Cassel, did you know in his 1 year starting the Patriots line gave up more sacks than the year before and this year combined?

Yep.

So you didn't see a few good throws and a few absolute what the **** was that throws?

Can't say I had much of an issue with the way he played today, other than the hail marry. Of course I'm really waiting till next year to judge the guy.

No question he holds the ball too long. Did he do that today?

Yep, part of the line problems are definitely on Cassel. No doubt about it.

And part of the line problems are because they are awful. And, there is no continuity as we have tried so many different combinations.

No. I did. I can just acknowledge when he makes about 25 good throws and maybe 4-5 WTF throws that he had a decent game.

So, you don't see these from every single QB in the NFL every game you watch?

QBs make bad throws. All of them.

Agreed. He holds the ball a bit too long which he has improved as the season has went on. Either way, he's been behind a patchwork OLine all season long that would hurt any QB's acuracy in his first year with a new team, in a new offense, with a new coach, and a new WR Corp (nearly every week).
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Well that's part of the problem with the entire offense, offense is about consistency and they shuffle in and out so many guys...they add to the receiver and line problems.

Yes. We know this. It is also hard for a QB to be productive in that kind of situation.

That's fine, decent is an accurate description of how I would describe today. I have a higher standard for a guy who was suppose to be our franchise player.

Smart man.
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And that is why Todd Haley is a tard, on top of his horrid game management.

You'll get no argument from me on this.

I like Haley far less than I like Cassel, I'll just say that much.

Totally agree. Offense is all about consistency and rhythm and when you have a patchwork O-Line and WR's dropping balls every other pass it is hard to do either. But Matt needs to work on his accuracy as well and I hope he throws all off-season to improve it.

man you are all over the place here
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I find it always interesting to see the comments after the game...

In the game thread, Cassel was getting consistently killed for his play today. Yes, there is definitely a reactionary nature in those threads, but still...

The contrast cannot be more stark. Now we see 300 yards, 2 TDs...all the warts have been magically covered.

Yeah. I'd love for him to be the best QB to ever live. But that's probably not the case. But, I'm not gonna bitch too hard about him specifically after this game; where our ST gave up two runbacks, Jerome fucking Harrison runs for nearly 300 yards, and none of the WR corps could catch the clap in a whorehouse.

Bitching about Cassel's play today is like complaining about a hang-nail when you're dying of stomach cancer.

Cassel should absolutely not be the focus today. I agree.

The D and the coaching staff as a whole should be front and center.