I think I need to start a new thread.....


"what guidelines did Clark Hunt set upon Pioli for the season?"

Wait just a minute.

"Going for it" and "FAKE PUNT" are two completely different animals.

"Going for it" implies that your team is probably impossibly down on the scoreboard and needs to get a score in any way, shape or form.

"FAKE PUNT" from your own 28 SCREAMS incompetence.

Let me ask you this: You bagged on Herm and Dick Curl for years.

When was the last time either had a QB with a rating of less than 40 in two straight weeks?

I think you should start a thread with a public poll that reads:

Right now, is Haley a better coach than Herm?

Make sure the poll is public.

Ouchie.... That stings.....

Why?

That's just speculation.

Herm vs. Haley would not involve speculation.

Personally, I think it's VERY clear who's the better Head Coach.

And it's not even close.

Originally Posted by LaChapelle
The problem is going to be assistant coach turnover. The raiding if the big names get jobs could be massive.

Okay
If the big name coaches raid staffs. Those staffs have to be replaced and the Chiefs are looking to replace coordinators. That makes the pickings as slim as when they picked the ones they got now.

"I'm seeing progress [from Matt Cassel]." /Pioli on 810 earlier today/

You wait just a minute... did you read what I posted? No way do you justify it in the 3rd qtr.... I was just commenting that you said it only happens in madden... When it does happen in the NFL just at different times... We cant argue when we agree Dane... It just doesnt work...

Maybe Pioli's mission was to alienate the fans beyond belief and destroy the franchise?

You mean finish the work started by Herm? /CP/

Well shit dude?

One coach was a NFL HC for 8 years and the other is 13 games into his first season....

Shouldnt you wait until you have comparable time of service first?

I think at this point, both are freaking reeruns... One SHOULD of known better and the other is learning that he shouldnt repeat his stupidty...

Except that Herm took his first team to the playoffs and lost at Oakland.

Haley? Well, considering the stupid shit he's pulled this season, I'm shocked he's got three wins.

Make sure you have an option for both being a painful choice.

Why?

Isn't all we do on here is speculate? Not one person can control, draft, sign, release or anything else for the Chiefs...

We speculate on who is the better coach based on our own opinions. We speculate how much money and what players or lack of players we should of signed this offseason...

We speculate that Pioli is trying to kill the franchise, or that Herm really knew what a football looked like....

This whole ****ing board is nothing but speculation or information from reporters.... Not one person can get information from Pioli, Hunt or Haley personally... We all just form our opinions with information gather and post it as fact...

Tell me I am wrong?

An option of which you would rather have should be added.
Herm might be the better coach. I'd rather have Haley, he may improve. Herm not so much.

What about a coach of a team whois in playoff contention and who has the lead in a game and goes for it on 4th and 1 from his own 29 with 2 min left in the game and he is facing Peyton Manning?:shake:

If Herm was *that* bad, it's not unreasonable to think that Haley should be better already.

FTR, we'd never be able to do that poll you propose; Haley won't be an NFL HC for 7-8 years. No. Chance.

If he gets 4 wins, take your wife out for an ice cream cone....

Mind-bottling.

Damn you pete! I have tried to erase those memories......

Especially when it is a coach who has what, 4 rings?

All coaches make idiot decisions at times. At least Haley did it with a team who was no where near the playoffs. Still a stupid decision but hardly impacting to the outcome of the season.

JFC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between GOING FOR IT and a ****ING FAKE PUNT!

And furthermore, the Chiefs were down ONE SCORE IN THE THIRD QUARTER!

****!!!!!

Why? That's what I predicted all along.

:D

ROFL...

Dane will be back soon, he needs a new Keyboard....

ROFL

I think it was a major contributing factor to losing that game. And wins are precious commodities around these parts.

But like I said, its importance is when the decision is viewed as a microcosm.

In a game that meant absolutely nothing at all. And if you're going to run a fake, that is when you run it. Cause no one with a sane mind would expect a team to run a fake from their own 28.

Meanwhile you seem to think it acceptable to go for it on your own 29 when you have the lead, 2 min left to go in a game and the best QB in recent history on the other team getting the ball should you not get it.

You know why?

BECAUSE IT'S ****ING STUPID! NO ONE EXPECTS AN NFL HEAD COACH TO RUN A FAKE PUNT FROM HIS OWN 28 YARD LINE IN THE NFL!


And in case you missed it, it didn't work and gave the Broncos an EASY score.

Out of curiosity, don't you love Trey Hillman? The single least important "coach" in any major professional sport...

Why the hate? It's not like Hillman's decisions affect the outcome of the season. The Royals would still suck.

Let me re-phrase that...

Only a ****ing moron goes for it on 4th and 1 from their own 29 when they have the lead against Peyton Manning.

Only a ****ing idiot would chance giving Mannig a 29 yard field to win the game.

Wrong. Hillman actually had a team that was in 1st place and had a chance to have a respectable season. Haley was never in that position.

Guess those rings provide a bit of a cushion.

Should a HC with no track record get the same benefit?

I think I already said it was stupid. Instead of yelling, try readin more slowly. And yes it gave the Broncos an easy score. I don't think they had a "tough score" the entire game and we were already what, 3-8? Yea, we really ****ed the season on that move.

LMAO.

A ML manager can swing a season maybe 4-5 games either way. GMs matter in baseball far, far more.

I'm not wrong at all. You bought into the mirage. The Royals were always a sack of shit.

ROFL

All I said was all coaches, from SB winners to rookies make stupid decisions. What makes Uncle Bill's worse is it hurt his playoff position. Haley's only hurt some egos and my eyes.

If only I had the desire to go back and get all the negatory you slung Hillman's way during games.....ROFL

So improvement that should be starting with week one, 2009, doesn't matter because we're just going to suck anyway?

So when does the suck end, and improvement begin? What's the "petegz timetable" if you please?

As I manager, I hate him. You don't need to look for anything: Trey Edwards is an incompetent sack of ****ing shit. A team cannot win a championship with him at the helm.

I feel the same way about Haley, at this point.

I'm merely using Hillman to point out the double standard that you're using.

You're right. Haley is the first coach in NFL, no all of Pro-Football's history to make a decision he would not otherwise make had his team been contending.

My
Bad

Did you two have a private conversation?

His in-game decisions have been below a Herm Edwards level all year. Besides dropping the F-bomb, it's Haley's recurring theme.

And then he sounds pretty cool on Mondays and all is forgiven.

This article is absolute horse shit. This makes the heaping pile of shit that is produced by Wargarbage Illustrated look like award winning journalism.

The guy who wrote this basically is arguing the Chiefs are married to Haley because he "deserves to grow into the job". I didn't realize the NFL had a rule that you can't fire a head coach who "deserves to grow into the job".

Did Miami break the "deserves to grow into the job" rule when they fired Cam Cameron after one season and ended up making the playoffs the very next season?

Perhaps the jackass who wrote this flaming pile of shit should ponder that fact.

I am not applying a double standard at all. In fact, I would say Hillman was worse cause he made stupid decisions while his team was in 1st place.

When the Chiefs are in 1st or in contention and Haley makes these same decisions then I will say you have a good point. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt to an extent that say we had been contending, we punt instead of fake the punt.

Yes, we did. He sent me a text before the play. STFU

If Haley loses out (and I think there's a pretty good chance of that), I'm not so sure he'll be back. I was in the Haley camp - I still think he might turn out to be a good coach someday. However he's ****ing awful at game management and it seems to me he let's his emotions dictate game time decisions. It's a recipe for crap salad.

I agree. But I think he is going to be given a chance to learn from his mistakes from Pioli. In Haley's defense though, his QB has not helped the game managment 1 iota.

In all honesty.. I dont care what they do with Haley.... They can keep him or fire him... Makes me no nevermind.....

A franchise that can hire Herm ****ing Edwards it cant get any worse. We have seen the bottom... Nothing Haley can do will surprise me, nothing at all....

The fact that Fat Scott and Haley are barely speaking can't be a good sign for Haley.

If the Chiefs crap all over themselves and lose to Cleveland at an empty Arrowhead Stadium drastic measures will be need to be taken this offseason.

I myself tend to like Haley's style. He needs to mature, sure. But I like it better than Herm.

He is no different than other coaches really. He was a successfull OC when he had the talent to be successfull. Right now he has a 60 mil $ backup QB, a shit line and a defense that forgets to show up.

That being said, he ran LJ out of here and that earns him another year. :D

But he does have 3 wins. I think Haley is gonna be a great coach!!!

And you know this is fact from where?

Please tell me you have connections inside of the organization???

That's why I loved it. Nobody expects it! I hate the status quo coaches.

He also has the running game looking better than it has in the last couple years. Yes, a lot of that has to do with Charles.

By all means lets run a fake where a coach would fully expect it.

This is a banable offense.

But not coaching?

Didn't I just give Haley credit for it? I have to give Charles credit as well though, don't I?

:clap:

Okay.

Let's see....camp cupcake or camp accountability? Seems like a no-brainer to me. The Chiefs will continue to get better, some just have no patience.

It would really help if Haley would quit overthrowing wide open receivers in the end zone.

Some of your guys hatred of all things Carl and Herm allows you to rationalize whatever faults the new administration may possess.

And somes hatred of Pioli and Haley are allowing them to nitpick every little thing they can....

Whats the difference?

Carl had 18 years experience as a GM. He never had a rookie HC save Gunther for 2 years.

I think it only realistic to expect Pioli and Haley to have growing pains. Particularly with the POS they had given to them as a team.

What's to rationalize? It's not like it's not OBVIOUS that the team sucks, some just realize this is going to take some time. The team is coming off a 2 year win season. Anybody that expected Pioli to add 53 players that gel in one off-season, where only fooling themselves and has ZERO to do with hatred for Carl and/or Herm.

The coaching staff needs and infusion of some XP. Crennel would bring that. We would be stupid not to get him or someone similar next year. OC is going to be hard because of how heavy-handed Haley is going to be with the O.

Pioli screwed up round 1 though going for no O-line in the draft and wasting a 2nd on a career backup QB. I would have been content with Thiggy, Croyle of even Gutierez for a year while we built.

We reached even with Jackson at 3 but I think he will pan out to be a good pick. Not a 3 but a good pick.

As opposed to being professional upgrades for this franchise, utilizing sound decisions on draft day, augmenting the talent that WAS already in the house, and not firing the O-Coord and installing an entirely new offense right before the regular season, and then coaching with all of the skill and finesse of pop-warner on gameday?

So you're pissed cause a bunch of 1st year guys made bad decisions?

YOu guys need to go back and read post number 3 in this thread. The Chances of Haley turning this thing around are remote at best.

What is to turn around? In my eyes we had plenty of chances to win 5-7 games even with questionable coaching. You can't overthrow wide open WR's, ou can't drop 7 passes a game, you can't throw 3 picks a game, you can't whiff on blocks and you can't miss tackles. You are better off viewing this as the building of an expansion franchise without the luxury of the compensatory picks and such.

Oh yea, you can't throw 2 yard passes in the middle of the field with under 2 min to go in the half\game and no TO's.

The big picture says it wasn't bad move, in my book. We landed a starting QB for a 2nd rounder-the odds of us finding a starting QB in the 2nd round last year, was SLIM.

Going by need, usually equals a reach in the draft. I commend Pioli for sticking to his guns. He also had to give Albert the benefit of the doubt.

I seriously doubt, we pick O-line with our top pick this year, as well. I don't find fault in going with who you think is the best player, at a position of need. All things being equal, the D-line needed to be addressed, every bit as much as the O-line.

I think Pioli is on the right track and his vision for the team will pay dividends in the long-run.

I didn't realize this was their first year as employees in the NFL...

Well shit; it all makes sense now!

The problem I had with Pioli and the draft was not Albert or drafting Jackson. It was sitting on Niswanger, Waters, Goff and ? at RT and expecting something to come of it.

Yes, cause they are the only people in the world who had a rough start when they were promoted.

I'd like to think of things in a simplistic way.

You give any coach or gm this team and I guarantee you they're going to have their share of struggles. This was a mess to begin with and everyone knew it.

At this point, Id rather place my focus on whats most important, and that is getting some good football players rather then judging the coach. Now I don't agree with a lot of decisions Haley has made or how hes managed football games, but the core of things really boils down to the players. Chiefs don't have enough good players, and at the end of the day it really doesn't matter who the coach is? its the players who win the games and not the coaches. And imo it shows in their play from lack of fundamentals and inability to execute. Those two things kill this team each and every time they step on the football field.

His play-calling hasn't been bad. There's been a few times, when he should have been more conservative, but proper execution of the plays and he looks like a genius. In fact, just last year, he was a so-called genius and well on his way to coordinating a Super Bowl offense.


I don't subscribe to the offensive play-calling being terrible.

I think you mean, going for it on 4th down from his own 28, correct?

There is truth in that. If the QB hits some wide open receviers, the score doesn't give Haley a notion to even go for fake punts and such.

I understand the call completely, you put the game into your Future Hall of Fame QB's hands instead of the Colt's Future Hall of Fame QB's hands. Peyton is VERY good at those game winning drives and the Pats defense isn't a great unit, so BB decided to go Brady vs. Colts D instead of Manning vs. Pats D.

Sorry, it was a stupid call. I don't care who my QB is. If I have the lead and there is 2 min to go in the game I am making the field as long as I can for Manning.

In his defense, he brought in Alleman, Ndukwe, Goff, Colin Brown, and O'Callaghan.

I believe Pioli knew/knows that there was a problem with the O-line. I think this past off-season they were willing to try low-cost alternatives to see if anybody could pan out.
Most of the moves for the O-line haven't been any better than what we already had, but quietly, Pioli brought in a RT, that has done a better than average job, in O'Callaghan.

I view this year as try-outs for the team.