Wow, this post is NASTY.

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we're gonna be fine guys, stop ****ing around

Most of the Chiefs fans right now are experiencing unknown weight loss, fatigue, diarrhea, and fever. But rather than go to the doctor and have to deal with the fact that they have cancer, they'll continue to put it off until they are so hopelessly consumed that they can't even function properly. They don't want to be sick, therefore they aren't sick.

Sorry kids, you've had a relapse of metastatic Carl Peterson.

I take solace in the fact that we presently have some genuinely likeable excellent NFL clubs out there.

The Saints and Colts are incredibly easy to root for. The Vikes with Allen and Favre are a lot of fun to pull for as well. The Cardinals with Warner and Fitz, the Eagles with McNabb, Jackson and Maclin, even the Chargers with Rivers and Sproles (seriously, !@#$ you if you don't like Rivers, that dude is nails).

I've pretty much just become an NFL fan. I root against the Patriots, Ravens, Cowboys and Broncos (the Raiders don't deserve my angst) and that's pretty much what I'm left with. At least this isn't the 2002 season when the Raiders, Bucs, Jets, Browns and Giants were good and I was treated to a Sapp/Chucky v. the Raiders SB.

So I've got that going for me.

Scott Pioli makes Carl Peterson look like a hybrid of Bill Walsh and Don Shula.

And again - I MFing hate Carl Peterson.

There it was. Right there in the middle.

You're a crafty one JWhit, but I knows how to read ya'.

You're full of shit Herm could have won 5 games with this team.

That really IS the crux of this disaster. We've had all of ONE GAME to stand up, get on our feet, and yell at the top of our lungs at the TV because we were "in it to win it".

And then we find out that it was just a tease and a big ****ing fluke. I've been hard on Haley, Pioli, and Cassel; VERY hard on those mother****ers. And there's going to come a day when "Joe Blow's Way", "Give em a chance", and throwing 800 yards in a game while getting your ass ****ing KICKED by a pile of shit team will no longer be enough for more people than the small number who gather here.

Let's throw the excuses out the door RIGHT NOW. I'll start:

Drafting Sanchez to this team would have been a cataclysmic disaster. Had he been thrown directly in to the mix with the Chiefs this season, his career would have been over before it began. And he might not ever amount to anything anyway. But I liked the way that he played in college, I liked the way he carried himself, and I liked the fact that he had humble roots too.
I figured he had not only the skills necessary to come in and elevate the QB play above Thigpen, but that he would be a fantastic persona and focal point to rally the team and the fans because like most of us; he didn't grow up with a silver spoon in his mouth, and he had to work harder and be better for everything he achieved. Does that sound like the midwest and Chiefs Football to you? It sure as **** does to me.
But he's not doing well, and he chose to align himself with a team and a market that's going ride his ass with all the tenderness of a cheese-grater.

Good luck Mark.

So lets get to the Chiefs. As Hamas pointed out, and as I will now ask; how much more apathy can you take? How much more patience wrapped up in convenient excuses can you fool yourself with? Can you do another three years of this shit? At what point does the losing, brought on by bad decisions make you chuck your bottle of beer at your new Hi-Def TV and cause a ruckus in your world?
I've learned more about football here in one year-plus than I ever knew before. And let me tell you; it's been more of a curse than a blessing. In a way, I miss being naive. I was running around naked in the NFL Garden of Eden, hoping for more wins than losses, and trusting that the people in charge knew more than I, and that someday it would all come together and I could enjoy watching the Chiefs play competitive and WINNING football again.
Well, that shit is done and gone. Old ROR took that bite of apple and forever ****ed himself. Maybe increasing my knowledge will pay off down the road when we have less than 40 positions that need talent upgrades, and we can focus on those needs in a rational manner and be thorough in our analysis because we're not a bunch of sailors on a sinking boat, trying to plug 40 hull-breaches as fast as we can.

At the end of the day, all I want is to wake up on Sunday and feel some excitement, hope, and God-willing some pride when the game is over.

I may not be here much longer. I want you all to know that I've enjoyed and appreciated the time I've spent here. I've learned much, made good friends, had epic battles and epic FAIL along the way, and had more fun than not. You can't really ask for more than that.

Considering this season has been nothing more than an extension of the ABSOLUTE SHIT we saw from Herm/Carl I'm inclined to say not much at all....I'm at the end of my rope.

The fact that this has been branded as basically a year long tryout session and observation process is a ****ing disgrace and a complete slap in the face to all the fans.

I'm done with the excuses, I'm done with the ineptness, I'm done with the holier than thou attitudes, and most of all I'm done with the ****ING PROCESS that Todd spews about every week...sick of it.

Clark and Pioli better get their shit together and take note...this blackout wasn't just an aberration, if we continue to see this shit on the field week in and week out, Arrowhead will be a ****ing ghost town next season.

I like some things about Haley and think he has potential but if he was to get whacked at the end of the season, I wouldn't have a goddamn word to say...wouldn't bother me at all.

Ahhh that felt good.

it's crazy but i would too....

at least he'd leave us better than he found us....he'd get us organized


to the thread, i think there is 0 chance that pioli fires haley so....

I am typically in favor of giving a coach three years to turn it around unless he loses the team.

I am fine with him being fired. I hope he is fired.

A tale told by an idiot, signifying nothing...

Why?

The unemployment rate is already high enough.

He and his sideline antics provide entertainment value.

His nickname is 'the cleaner' because he cleared out the stadium providing opportunities for many non-season ticket holders to buy tickets.

Bottom line, I got nuthin.

I just am having a hard time buying into the "You've got to give a HC X amount of time" argument when there's such huge upgrades out there.

You wouldn't do that from the player side would you?

I mean if Peyton Manning was somehow a FA, we wouldn't or shouldn't say ah we can't yank the starting job from Matt. He's only had one year.

That's what it's like for the HC class this year. Lots of proven SB talent out there.

Forget what's fair. Just try to upgrade the team as much as possible. Players & coaches.

THis

I'm just scared haley won't change, or is just too stubborn to change. Why take that chance? Cut your losses and move on clark and scott....
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and THIS

I wonder if Clark k nows we lost the game.

I think the best thing that can happen at this point is for Pioli to sit down with Haley and tell him: (a) he needs to hire a competent OC, (b) he needs to hire a competent QB coach, (c) he's going to treat his coaches with respect and remember they are adults and likely have more coaching experience than he has, and (d) tell him he better be very careful with his hires because they will stay the course with whoever he chooses.

I just think the option of gutting things again at this point will set the team back another 3-4 years. You can't have three separate rebuilds and three different systems over 3 years.

This article was stupid. Coaches are not on the field. Players win games. Give Haley better players and the team will win. His offense in AZ scored alot of points so get him the WR's to run it and we'll be fine. Clancy I don't like, I hope they go get Romey, but he doesn't have good players either.


No coach in the NFL is such a bad teacher that a team would be this bad just because they are the coach. WE NEED GOOD PLAYERS!

This is my argument...how does it set us back 3-4 years? We are already at rock bottom. Haley hasn't improved one area of the team. Not one. There is no justification to keep this turd. We are in the exact same position we were in last year at this time.
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Eddie Kinnison on 810:

"The Chiefs are already on vacation. Todd Haley lost those guys in...maybe...February."

You are going to sacrifice another draft class (no matter how bad you think it is/was) and put in new schemes for the third time in three years? Plus, look at teams that are continually changing coaches and coordinators - they aren't good. Sadly, I think it's better to stick with what they have to see if they can make it work.

i swear hes just a darker version of peter king. useless.

Sadly that seems to be the MO with the chiefs. **** they do that with asst coaches let alone head coaches.

Surely he's read the New York Times sports section by now..

BULLSHIT.

Haley has made mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake. There is absolutely NO reason to believe that he will magically "improve" as a head coach.

For ****'S SAKE, it took him 14 GODDAMN WEEKS to put the best offensive lineman on this roster on field! Did you SEE how much time Cassel had yesterday? Did you SEE his protection?

And ****, it took 14 WEEKS to get Cottam INVOLVED? Bradley INVOLVED? How many weeks did it take to get Charles INVOLVED?

He's a ****ing ASS CLOWN. He's clueless as to personnel and he continually calls STUPID ****ING PLAYS.

And to THINK that there were people around here bitching about AL SAUNDERS playcalling?

FIRE THAT MOTHER****ER.

Fire him NOW.

no.....I was blacked out........

I'm taking the "Maybe" approach along with Dane....

Damn dude, calm your ass down.

14 weeks to get Bradley Involved? Are you ****ing kidding me? Do you not watch him drop the ball every week? Who the hell wants Bradley involved?

And who is this magical offensive lineman that instantly gave Cassel time? I know you're not saying Barry Richardson right? because he looked like ass when he played with the first unit early in the season. And the O-Line has been improving every week, thanks to the improved play of Albert. To chalk it up to Richardson is a bit premature.

And lets not forget, these O-Linemen were playing the browns here.

What you fail to mention is that his play calling is improving every week. He has found things that work for this team. The hurry up O is pretty cool, the motion is a nice wrinkle. He knows how to run Jamal Charles.....The O looked way better with Bowe in there taking pressure off of Chambers. This O made strides, have been making strides.

Purely speculation on my part, but I'd say he's more inclined to keep those that he hired, replace the ones he didn't and demote Clancy but keep him on staff. He and Pioli could care less if the fans are out for blood.

Personally I think you grade each unit individually and those who are worthy keep their job. At some point, you have to be realistic and acknowledge that certain position coaches are better than others even though a good DB coach can't make up for a horrible DL coach. Clancy peaked as a DB coach; he's been coaching past his skill level ever since.

Though we don't actually have a DB coach, Ronnie Bradford is a defensive assistant who's worked with them this season. He's never been given the title of DB coach, but that could be because Clancy is going to move into the role, like he did in Dallas in 01 & 02.

Not sure which of these idiots thought that getting rid of Pollard was a good idea, and they should lose a testical for it, but all in all that group has been pretty well coached. I haven't looked at how many deep passes we've given up, we're ranked #19 in total passing yards yet we've only got 19 sacks. That makes me think that if we had some QB pressure, the passing game would improve pretty easily. Those 19 sacks happen to be the 2nd lowest total in the league and 28 teams have 25 or more this season.

We are tied for the #22 spot in interceptions, with 11, but teams are completing 59.1% of their passes against us and have a 89.6 QB rating. Having all day to throw obviously results in higher stats in those areas. Slow safeties play a factor too. Then again, when you are playing a team that's ranked #31 in rushing yards allowed, why pass?

Bill Muir probably deserves some credit for coaching the crap he inherited and showing progress as the season has gone on. Cassel was sacked 24 times in the first 7 games compared to 17 times in the last 7.

Fire the WR coach (Dedric Ward and Richie Anderson). There is no way you lead the league in dropped passes and don't fire the WR coach.

Just saying that when you are as bad as we are, you take baby steps and you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

7 more drinks for a Monday afternoon.

I think Dedric ward gets the AX, but not Richie Anderson. Anderson is one of Haley's boys, more so than Ward. At least that's the way it seems to me. I like the idea of demoting Pendergast to DB coach. Bring in Crennel to run the D. At that point, we would have a defensive coaching staff with some good credentials. A superbowl wining DC, a DB coach with DC experience and a defensive assistant with DC experience.

Offensivly, bring in either Wiess or some young, innovative hot shot from the college ranks. (God, please don't promote a current assistant to OC, please, please).

Wow, you REALLY don't get it, do you?

First off, Barry Richardson is a second year player. He started 40 games at Clemson at left tackle. The Chiefs moved him to right tackle. He has IDEAL SIZE for a right tackle at 6'6, 325 pounds. I don't give a FLYING **** if he wasn't the the "best" right tackle when training camp broke. He has the most UPSIDE and clearly the most potential out of all the broke-dick ****S they stuck out there. The Chiefs weren't going ANYWHERE this season, which is why you put your best and youngest players on the field and let them GROW TOGETHER.

Instead, it took Haley 14 WEEKS to put the best offensive line on the field. That's ABSURD.

As to Bradley, SO ****ING WHAT? He dropped some passes. Big ****ing DEAL. The guy has been used so sparingly, what did you expect? He is the second most talented receiver on the Chiefs squad. To SIT him for 10 weeks for not getting a first down is, once again, ABSURD. The guy SHOULD HAVE BEEN on the field each and every week. Why? Because his presence gives the Chiefs the BEST CHANCE TO WIN. Regardless of drops.

Barry Richardson is exactly the kind of late Oline pick that usually succeeds. A guy who starts 40 games at a top 25 school at LT will generally make it.

"Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver."

This pretty much sums it up. Other than Jamaal Charles, who's a stud on this team? You can't blame Haley for the players and you certainly can't blame him for trying to find a WR that can catch a freakin' ball. I'd much rather he played MORE musical chairs with WR's until he finds a couple that stick. Bowe went thru all of training camp, has 4 weeks to get healthy while practicing with the gun machine and he still can't catch. Haley called the plays to win, Cassel threw them on target and they lose scoring 34 points. This is just one game but a great example of how devoid of talent teams like Chiefs, Rams and Lions are. Coaching just isn't that important with that talent. About the only shortcoming I see of Haley is the defense - particularly the play of the d-line. I'd fire the D-line coach and the DC, draft Suh, a center and a LB or 2, trade for Boldin and kick some butt next year.

And guess what, Todd Haley kept running LJ out there over Charles. Charles still wouldn't be seeing the field if LJ hadn't opened his mouth.

This team has little talent but that doesn't excuse him being a dipshit.

LMAO

He must just turn off his TV when he watches Haley make 4th down decisions.

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Cam Cameron, 2008. One year, 1-15. Fired.

Lane Kiffin, 2007. One year, 4-12. Fired.

Art Shell, 2006. One year, 2-14. Fired.

Marty Schottenheimer, 2001. One year, 8-8. Fired.

Eric Mangini, 2009. One year, 3-11. Very likely to be fired.


It's been done before, and I'd have no problem if it happened to Haley.

Is the dumbest post contest still going on?

Coaching is MORE important when you have this level of talent.

This team doesn't need Vince Lombardi. It needs someone with ****ing common sense, and no one in this organization seems to have any.

Either I missed this in the read through, or my brain has developed the power to block out stupid shit like this while perusing the Planet.

No use in stressing about it. Seriously. Whether you want the guy fired or not, we have no control over the situation. All we can do is hope for the best.

We can judge all we want, but one can differentiate between seeing things from a fans perspective compared to either a coaches or players perspective. These guys are in the thick of things, not us.

I don't know what goes on back there but I could only imagine that being a rookie head coach is no different then a newly hired employee on a job with no experience. If you have no experience you're gonna make your share of mistakes. It's inevitable. Obviously there are going to come times when you will not know what you are doing, THAT happens. It's all part of a learning process. He is trying to learn what its like to be a head coach. THATS ONE THING ALL TOGETHER!

Its all part of growth. Growing comes with mistakes. If you don't believe in that, then I don't know what to tell you. And I could only imagine how hard it is to be a head coach alone, in addition, you have a crappy roster to deal with. Sure, Todd Haley has made mistakes, a whole ton of them. But it seems like people want him crucified for it. Relax, he is a rookie. What do you expect? Bill Belicheck, Parcells. Complaining about not playing certain players is way out of our control. Plus the roster is devoid of talent as it is. I don't see any reason to complain about it. Our main focus should be on getting players, and not on the coaches. We should place our attention to getting good football players in here and not act and point fingers like its the coaches responsibility for everything that goes on. A lot of times we put too much focus on the coaches, in reality its the players that win the games. We've always complained about how coaches sucked from Gunther to Greg Robinson, etc...And what has that got us? ZERO! nothing..yup thats right..And did anyone happen to notice a specific trend going on? Why have the Chiefs sucked on defense all these years? Because coincedentally they didn't have enough good players. And, its the same thing today. A lot of people complain about Pendergast, but the bottomline is, the Chiefs don't have enough good players.

There are reasons why he is not playing some guys, who knows? Maybe he is trying to get a feel from the roster? I don't know. But we don't know why he is not playing guys. We think we do, but really we don't know what goes on back there and why he is playing certain guys or better yet what is running in his mind.

Those moves worked really well for the Raiders and Skins.

I'm sure the shitty ownership has nothing to do with it.

Why would Cowher want to come back to KC for the mess this team is in. All he can do is harm his reputation. If they get better he get credit but does he need credit.

He wouldn't. He'll get his choice of any job he wants.

Its funny how the Raiders and Skins have a lot of turnover within their organization, and don't have much to show for.

It really shows how "constant change" can be a bad thing.

Keeping Haley is a waste of time. He hasn't improved this team one bit and is in way over his head. There are plenty of better coaches out there that will just go by the wasteside if they keep Haley around next year.

It also shows how meddlesome, know-nothing owners can **** up a franchise.

I can count the number of good decisions Snyder and Davis have made this decade on both hands.

Don't act like firing those coaches one year in ruined everything.

I am almost ready to hop on the Cowher bandwagon - Pioli isn't building a dyntasy or Super Bowl winner, might as well be 10-6 each year and get lucky every other.

No no no no no, "slow and steady" wins the Carl/Herm.

:clap: This X 2.

yeah, I can't believe Haley didn't take a 2 win team, watch the team trade its best offensive player who is a first ballot HOFer and take that team to the Super Bowl. He must suck

I take it you don't agree that Haley has been making decisions like a man with his head firmly planted up his own ass?

I'll double that

This X 4.:Scanlon:

It's tough to gauge Haley as a head coach this year. Every game (except maybe yesterday) his team has been at a disadvantage talent-wise. As a result you have to take risks you normally wouldn't (like going on 4th down all the time) The main problem I have is Pendergast as DC. But Haley was hired so late in the offseason that there weren't exactly alot of top notch assistants available. I Haley deserves a year with an upgraded roster.

Do those risks include kicking the ball to Joshua Cribbs over and over again?

well our kick coverage has been decent (up until yesterday) this year so I can't really say too much about it.

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WTF? Even after he just roasted your ass for a 100 yard return?

so you think if you get beat for a long TD pass you should just play prevent the rest of the game? Cribbs had returned 6 kicks for TDs in his career so the odds of 2 in a row were small so yeah I would have kicked to him.

:shake: That's ****ed up.

no it's not. Cribbs has returned 262 kickoffs in his career. He had 6 TDs going into yesterday. He returned one for a TD. The odds of him doing it again in the same game were very small. Granted, it happened and hindsight being 20/20 they shouldn't have done it. But if they would have kicked the ball out of bounds every kickoff the rest of the game people would be calling him a pu$$y and an idiot for giving up such good field position.

It's just like the people that hate Obama or hated Bush. If Obama/Bush said the sky was blue people would bitch. If you have it out for somebody you'll gripe no matter what.

If we're going to keep the leash this short and fire Haley, as the majority of the planet apparently wishes; what kind of message does that send to prospective coaches? What kind of coach would want to come here?

Whitlock throws out the terms loyalty and fairness as if they are absurd. However, loyalty and fairness are still important to me, and they should be to any person or organization of character.

Loyalty? Fairness? Those are two pretty damn good reasons to me.

Agreed.

Don't fail at epic levels.

Why bring him back? I really don't know. One could argue, though, that Herm had another chance after losing 12 games his 2nd season. I'm currently on the fence...

yeah, no prospective coach would factor that in... you're right. my bad everyone.

Ladies and gentlemen, Todd Haley posts here and this is proof.

LOL! Do people not comprehend field position?

Sure I do, and kicking away from a returner normally doesn't yield good field position. Granted, we got burned this time but 90% of the time, kicking out of bounds or squibbing is bad.

Would you care to discuss Todd Haley's other 500 bad decisions or decisions that have 0 consistency?

Having a bad team is no excuse for being a flaming dipshit on the sideline.

Pooch kicking it to the 30 doesn't = 14 points

Normally kicking it to the returner doesn't = 14 pts either. It was shitty luck but that doesn't make it a dumb decision.

some here obviously dont, there was a thread about trading for cribbs. i dont think some of the cp brain trust would have
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You kick to the best returner in the league he returns one so you respond by...kicking to him again.