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Mecca 01-02-2010 04:16 PM

If you can be positive about a coach pissing off his best player and fading down the stretch, by all means try.

DaFace 01-02-2010 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 6398627)
I don't think that matters. I believe the compensatory picks are based on how the free agent performs on his new team.

Yep - you're apparently correct. I thought it was based on PAST performance, but they apparently delay the award for a year and base it on performance with the player's new team. My bad.

However, I did notice that salary is a big portion of the equation, so one could argue that a poor performance this year would lower the player's future salary and, therefore, lower the compensatory selection. Still, that's certainly not a direct relationship.

DaFace 01-02-2010 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6398650)
If you can be positive about a coach pissing off his best player and fading down the stretch, by all means try.

They won more than three games. That's a positive. :shrug:

orange 01-02-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6398650)
If you can be positive about a coach pissing off his best player and fading down the stretch, by all means try.

He "pissed off" his best player who was dogging it and wasn't going to play anyway.

The same one he "pissed off" by suspending him in the pre-season - before said player put up a pro-bowl year. Marshall is just a drama queen.

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2010 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 6398631)
Yes, actually.

Wake me when Cutloser ever has a winning record.

Are you really that stupid? Denvers D was horrible last season. The Bears is bad this season. Whats funny is your D is pretty damn good now, and you still may not make the playoffs.

KCrockaholic 01-02-2010 04:20 PM

Well when your players refer to the head coach by his first name in all of their interviews, that tells me they don't look up to him and have much respect for him in the first place. I never hear them say "Coach McDaniels" Its almost always "Josh"

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2010 04:22 PM

I cannot even imagine the dumbassery of wanting Orton over Cutler.

orange 01-02-2010 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 6398631)
Yes, actually.

Wake me when Cutloser ever has a winning record.

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Page...Van-Winkle.jpg

23 TDs 26 Ints
but it's the defense...

wild1 01-02-2010 04:24 PM

At least Orton is coachable and plays within the system and himself effectively, not turning the ball over so much.

Cutler is one of those guys who has all the talent in the world, but will never be what he could be because of his attitude.

DaFace 01-02-2010 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6398670)
At least Orton is coachable and plays within the system and himself effectively, not turning the ball over so much.

Cutler is one of those guys who has all the talent in the world, but will never be what he could be because of his attitude.

Without necessarily trying to imply an equal level of talent, Cutler reminds me of a young Favre. He needs to get hooked up with a Holmgren who can teach him how to manage a game a little rather than just go slinging the ball all over the place.

Mecca 01-02-2010 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 6398656)
He "pissed off" his best player who was dogging it and wasn't going to play anyway.

The same one he "pissed off" by suspending him in the pre-season - before said player put up a pro-bowl year. Marshall is just a drama queen.

Hey I hope you guys keep him because if he keeps running off all the teams good players you'll never win anything, Eric Mangini Jr.

orange 01-02-2010 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 6398673)
Without necessarily trying to imply an equal level of talent, Cutler reminds me of a young Favre. He needs to get hooked up with a Holmgren who can teach him how to manage a game a little rather than just go slinging the ball all over the place.

He had Shanahan. Maybe he needs someone non-traditional, the NFL's answer to Phil Jackson. Not saying I know who that could be.

wild1 01-02-2010 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 6398673)
Without necessarily trying to imply an equal level of talent, Cutler reminds me of a young Favre. He needs to get hooked up with a Holmgren who can teach him how to manage a game a little rather than just go slinging the ball all over the place.

That's certainly true, probably a good comparison.. but I think there is a little more there, that the guy never grew up. The fact that he's sucking down booze constantly as a diabetic tells you he doesn't have that inner drive to be the best professional he could be.

Crush 01-02-2010 04:32 PM

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.ph...4&storyID=9732


BRANDON MARSHALL - 1/1/10

On Head Coach Josh McDaniels' decision to deactivate him for Sunday's game against Kansas City
"I don't think (Head) Coach (Josh McDaniels) ever played in the NFL so for my hamstring to be feeling the way it felt, it's tough for me to go out there and expect to play at a high level. I've battled through a lot of injuries before. I played the whole year last year with a tear in my hip, so I don't think my toughness is in question here. I've just got to do my best just to get back to 100 percent. Hopefully, things fall into place where it should be, and hope we get into the playoffs, and I'll be there with my teammates."

On why McDaniels did not go into specifics when explaining his deactivation
"I don't understand why he didn't answer it. It's because of my hamstring. I got an MRI on it. The MRI came back that there was no structural damage in there. When you try to explode and take off, if you don't have it, you don't have it. It's bad because it's a crucial game for us, but we've got guys who can make plays. We've got guys who have been in this league for years who play this position who can get it done and carry our team."

On McDaniels' emphasis on accountability being a reason that he will be inactive on Sunday
"I don't know what coach said, but I doubt if he said I wasn't buying in because I'm the guy who has been giving up a lot for this team. I've been giving it my all. I'm excited about the opportunity that we have. There are a lot of things that can be in our favor this week to make it to the playoffs. If that happens, I'm going to do my best to be out there with my teammates, but it makes no sense for me to go out there. You can't run 50 percent. (It's) just bad timing."

On how the deactivation affects his relationship with McDaniels
"I don't know what Coach said. If he did say the things that you guys are saying, I don't know why he would say that, but I approached this year in a professional manner, and I'm going to continue to do that. If he decides to take some personal shots because of the way the season is unfolding, it's not my fault. I've made big plays when I'm supposed to. You go back to the Dallas game, the New England game-there are a bunch of games that I've been there and made some huge plays to help us move the ball. I've been unselfish when they've told me I'm not a starter and the reason for it was that I haven't separated myself from anybody. I went out there and I tried to separate myself, and I've done that. I'm going to keep it professional and continue to rehab and hopefully things fall in place for us to move forward into the playoffs."

On if he feels that he has had an issue with being accountable to the team
"Accountability and injury are different. Accountability and injury are different. I wouldn't say pulled my hamstring-it's definitely not that bad. It's tough."

On McDaniels' comment that other players will play with more severe injuries than he has on Sunday
"I was told last year, too, that I didn't have a tear in my hip and I had gotten several MRIs on my hip last year. This is just bad. It's bad for the fans, everyone, my teammates, myself (and) my family. Every game is a playoff game for me. I'm playing for a lot. Every game I go out there playing to give it my all because of trying to achieve my goals. For me not to be out there probably hurts me more than anybody else. I have a lot of things that I want to achieve, a lot of things that I want to do, and it's not just for this game. It's every game that I've played in this year."

On if he was going to try to play through the injury
"This is probably the biggest game for us all year. When you have a muscle injury, that thing doesn't heal over night. Like I said, I've got to do my best to try to be there for the playoffs if we get into the playoffs, but it has nothing to do with accountability."

On if he felt McDaniels was frustrated that he didn't practice yesterday
"No, he hasn't really said anything to me. He just came in today and told me I was deactivated (and that) he's make an announcement today. I have to respect that. I have to respect that. He's the head coach. He makes the decisions around here, and he has to do what's best for the team. It's tough when you don't get a chance to go through the week of preparation and practicing to be able to think you're going to go out there and participate (in the game). It's not fair to our team, it's not fair to our players, but it's just a freak accident. I ran a slant-I was cramping in the (Philadelphia) game Sunday, and my hamstrings were pretty tight from that. I had to get an IV. My muscles were pretty tight. I came out here on Wednesday and it just pulled or something, I'm not sure."

On the fans' perception of his relationship with the team
"There is no more drama. I'm going to be professional about everything moving forward. Like I said, it's an injury. I've played through injuries before, but like I said, last year I was told that I was fine. Unfortunately, it didn't work out that way. I had a tear in my hip. You've just got to listen to your body, and my body, obviously, something was wrong when I pulled up on Wednesday. I'm just going to continue to rehab and hopefully be there (for the playoffs) of things fall in place."

On his future with the Broncos
"Like I said, I'm going to be professional about the whole team. I love my teammates; my teammates love me. This has been a really smooth season for us as far as just communication and just growing as a person, as a professional athlete. I'm going to continue to do that. That's pretty much it."

On if he is emotionally hurt by the decision to deactivate him for Sunday's game against Kansas City
"I'm hurt for the fact that this is an opportunity for me to go out there and continue to prove myself (and) prove to others what I can do in this league. For me not to get the opportunity because of injury, it sucks, but I'm not the only one that's hurt in the National Football League. It's around that time of the year. I've just got to deal with it."

On how he hopes to proceed with his NFL career
"In a professional manner. Anything I do moving forward is going to be in a professional manner. I'm not going to get into any he-said, she-said (situations) like we've done in the past. I think that's childish. Like I said, I don't think there is any question about my toughness. The way I play the game, it could be first-and-10 and if I gain 15 yards, I'm fighting for 16 yards. I'm that type of guy who's going to give it up on every play in every game, especially for obvious reasons. I have a family. Every game is a big game to me."

KCrockaholic 01-02-2010 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 6398669)
23 TDs 26 Ints
but it's the defense...

Im with you on this. I would much rather have Orton than Cutler. Cutler has better raw skills and arm strength. But if that is all that matters to being a good quarterback JaMarcus Russell would already be in the hall of fame. Orton IS better than Cutler in most aspects.

Chief Faithful 01-02-2010 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6398608)
Both of our teams hired New England guys...history says they we'll both epically fail because of it.

McDaniels looks more and more like Eric Mangini everyday, these guys think they are Belichick and come off like power crazed douches.

What other New England GM is an epic failure?

Mecca 01-02-2010 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6398683)
Im with you on this. I would much rather have Orton than Cutler. Cutler has better raw skills and arm strength. But if that is all that matters to being a good quarterback JaMarcus Russell would already be in the hall of fame. Orton IS better than Cutler in most aspects.

Spoken like a true Chiefs fan.

aturnis 01-02-2010 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6398633)
Yes the Bears losing record has nothing to do with their shitty defense or having the worst offensive line in football, it's all Cutlers fault!

If you really believe Orton is better than Cutler or you'd rather have him you're just lying to yourself.

Wow, but these same "excuses" don't work for Cassel?

Mecca 01-02-2010 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 6398691)
Wow, but these same "excuses" don't work for Cassel?

Jay Cutler actually has talent...lets please not compare him to Cassel.

Cassel is more Orton than Cutler.

Quesadilla Joe 01-02-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6398633)
Yes the Bears losing record has nothing to do with their shitty defense or having the worst offensive line in football, it's all Cutlers fault!

If you really believe Orton is better than Cutler or you'd rather have him you're just lying to yourself.

Orton played better in Chicago than Cutler has and I would say he had a worse set of receivers and an even worse offensive line last year. He was actually very good the first 8 games of last season before he got injured.

KCrockaholic 01-02-2010 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6398690)
Spoken like a true Chiefs fan.

So what did my post have to do with the Chiefs? You don't understand that Cutler makes too many mistakes and loses games for his team. He doesn't win games for his team. Orton is more of a game manager type QB that has been put into a system best used for higher level QB's. But he won't go out and throw 4 picks a game and lose it for his team as much as Cutler would. Cutler is no different than Jeff George. At least Orton is coachable.

wild1 01-02-2010 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6398706)
So what did my post have to do with the Chiefs? You don't understand that Cutler makes too many mistakes and loses games for his team. He doesn't win games for his team. Orton is more of a game manager type QB that has been put into a system best used for higher level QB's. But he won't go out and throw 4 picks a game and lose it for his team as much as Cutler would. Cutler is no different than Jeff George. At least Orton is coachable.

You're an idiot. The Al Davis school of talent evaluation says so.

KCrockaholic 01-02-2010 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6398719)
You're an idiot. The Al Davis school of talent evaluation says so.

No, you and idiot.

Mecca 01-02-2010 05:25 PM

You don't like Cutler cause he's "risky" that was why I said spoken like a true Chiefs fan.

Bane 01-02-2010 05:49 PM

Marshall to McDipshit's HOF induction.rochambeau
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

LaChapelle 01-02-2010 05:56 PM

Haley had the Broncos served to him on a silver platter
and he let them off the hook

Next Nick "Assclown" Athan ($109.95)

Sweet Dick Willy 01-02-2010 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LaChapelle (Post 6398858)
Haley had the Broncos served to him on a silver platter
and he let them off the hook

Next Nick "Assclown" Athan ($109.95)

ROFL

Dottefan 01-02-2010 07:35 PM

I HATE DENVER..THIS MAKES ME FEEL WARM AND FUZZY

highBOLTage 01-02-2010 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 6398627)
I don't think that matters. I believe the compensatory picks are based on how the free agent performs on his new team.

It's based on contract value. Doesnt matter if he makes the Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton next year. If he only signs for 3 years, 7M, he probably gets a 6th or 7th. Of course you need to have a free agent deficit to even qualify; I dont know if Denver has a lot of FA, but I imagine there will be quite a bit of turnover there again.

KCrockaholic 01-02-2010 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6398779)
You don't like Cutler cause he's "risky" that was why I said spoken like a true Chiefs fan.

OK, your correct that he is risky. But he is not Brett Favre risky. He's not very good at being risky. That is where the difference comes into play. When Cutler tries to make a play he throws an inaccurate pass which leads to an INT. Is this not true? Why would someone want a headcase for a QB on their team?

-King- 01-03-2010 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6398704)
Orton played better in Chicago than Cutler has and I would say he had a worse set of receivers and an even worse offensive line last year. He was actually very good the first 8 games of last season before he got injured.

Nope sorry. Cutler has had it way worse. Way worse line, and by far a worse receiving corp.

Your homerisms baffle me. The only team sniffing an SB the next 3-5 years is SD. Denver will join the Chiefs and Raiders as per annual top 10 draft teams.

-King- 01-03-2010 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6399832)
OK, your correct that he is risky. But he is not Brett Favre risky. He's not very good at being risky. That is where the difference comes into play. When Cutler tries to make a play he throws an inaccurate pass which leads to an INT. Is this not true? Why would someone want a headcase for a QB on their team?

All Cutler needs is a good QB coach and he'll be great. He has all the talent in the world, if someone can coach him and give him some guidelines, then he'll be very good. We saw that happen in Denver. Him and Bates were very good together.

BigMeatballDave 01-03-2010 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6398683)
Im with you on this. I would much rather have Orton than Cutler. Cutler has better raw skills and arm strength. But if that is all that matters to being a good quarterback JaMarcus Russell would already be in the hall of fame. Orton IS better than Cutler in most aspects.

ROFL Seriously. Russell HAS no skills, dumbass. Orton is a game manager. Nothing more. Cutler is more like Elway/Favre. High risk, high reward.

BigMeatballDave 01-03-2010 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 6398691)
Wow, but these same "excuses" don't work for Cassel?

:doh!: Apples and oranges. Thanks for playing.

Sweet Dick Willy 01-03-2010 02:53 AM

Does New England have "a good QB Coach"? And if so, would not Cassel have spent more time under his tutelage than Brady?

I think the whole QB Coach-thing is overrated. Talent is as talent does.

OnTheWarpath15 01-03-2010 11:12 AM

ESPN reporting that Scheffler and Marshall have been told they are not allowed on the sidleline, or in the locker room today.

LMAO

Bane 01-03-2010 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6400429)
ESPN reporting that Scheffler and Marshall have been told they are not allowed on the sidleline, or in the locker room today.

LMAO

Poor lil Mcdipshit doesn't want them taunting him all day.What a douche bag!LMAO

Mile High Mania 01-03-2010 11:18 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4792471

I wonder if it's true... did the veteran leadership (as described) go to McD as a united front? If so, then good... if Brandon really did flip the crazy switch back on after eclipsing 100 receptions... well, it sucks and we'll see where he lands in 2010.

Bane 01-03-2010 11:22 AM

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Bane 01-03-2010 12:23 PM

Bump.

notorious 01-03-2010 02:24 PM

The last time we all thought Denver was a laughing stock they ran off 6 straight.


Karma gentlemen


I think that benching of one of the best wr's in the NFL and a decent TE is a great move by the greatest coach in the history of the NFL.

Orton will probably be pulled in the middle of the second quarter after passing for 368 and 5 TD's.

The spread in Vegas should shift to -35 in favor of the 2010 SB champion Broncos in the upcoming season finale.

Odds to win it all shoud immediately go to -.5 to 1. (Even if you win the bet, you still pay).

:)

Bane 01-03-2010 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 6401191)
The last time we all thought Denver was a laughing stock they ran off 6 straight.


Karma gentlemen


I think that benching of one of the best wr's in the NFL and a decent TE is a great move by the greatest coach in the history of the NFL.

Orton will probably be pulled in the middle of the second quarter after passing for 368 and 5 TD's.

The spread in Vegas should shift to -35 in favor of the 2010 SB champion Broncos in the upcoming season finale.

Odds to win it all shoud immediately go to -.5 to 1. (Even if you win the bet, you still pay).

:)

ROFL
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