Thats what WIPE wants you to do and maybe Pioli will get fired so a more media friendly regime will takeoever meaning more money for WIPE.

Yeah, and they had so much depth behind LJ to just be dumping young running backs for 5th rounders.

Also, Jamaal may be the player he is right now because of what happened earlier in the year. These guys pretty much used the threat of being traded/cut/benched as tools to see who wanted to be here and fight for a spot and who didn't care and wanted out. Charles has pretty much admitted that the whole scenario made him realize he better take advantage of his opportunities. He's grown up a lot this season...

How many sources do you need regarding the entire roster being on the block?

Grown up is translated into actually given carries eh? When LJ was here he got maybe 3 touches a game.

And after all of the ridiculous roster moves I've seen this year, don't give me this depth argument.

I guess Belichick was a moron too. It took Bledsoe getting hurt for him to figure out how talented Tom Brady is.

That is hardly the same thing as what this article is claiming, but you know that.

Just look at Larry Johnson. The coaching staff got ripped up and down for their handling of diapergate and all that, but in the end they turned out to be the one group that got the most out of LJ.

No, it's really not.

If anyone other than Nick writes this, no one argues, because it was well known that Pioli was trying to get picks for any player he could.

Yes because it takes a shitty publication make people step back and realize that in 40 moves Pioli brought in 2 players better than the one they replaced and in 1 case it's a kicker.

Everything I own is for sale for the right price. But I'm not considering a scrub draft pick in exchange for something I have 1st day value invested. Sorry.

Look over there:
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Your avatar disproves your anti-Pioli agenda claim.

Rumor has it that our entire LB corp was on the block for a 7th, but we couldn't find any takers.

Steelers would have taken the deal if we threw in Ron Edwards, but that deal was too rich for Pioli so it was scuttled at the last minute.

You don't think that saying everyone is on the block and putting feelers out for values of your players is different than proactively offering a player for a set draft compensation?

Apparently, Pioli disagrees.

See: Tyler, Tank.

That must not be totally true because the rookie head coach doubled the win total in 1 season. So that must mean Haley is a good headcoach?

THIS!! Everyone was on the trading block. Then LJ spouted his BS, JC became numero uno on the depth chart in October. JC no longer on the trading block.

That's because, as much as everyone wants to tell you how brilliant they are, a lot of this stuff comes down to flat luck. Including sometimes, the trades you don't make. They may have very well tried to trade Charles. But the reality, the reality... is they didn't, and it worked out. There are probably a lot more important things to complain about. But you and I aren't trying to sell "inside info" at $100 a pop.

For those who say the article is true you still haven't posted any sources. Saying everyone is on the trade block isn't the same as saying Charles was offered for a 5th round pick.

Who's to say those "feelers" didn't lead to more substantive compensation discussion?

Again, I'll use Tank Tyler as an example.

There's a section of truth to that. But I'm questioning ANYBODY who writes that the Chiefs were ready to take a 5th round pick for Charles. I question anybody who says the Redskins passed that up.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

Scott Pioli should wake up with a ****ing pink slip in his office.

:shake:

Jesus, this dumb **** wouldn't know talent if it was raping his mom in the ass while strangling his first born child.

If Bledsoe never gets hurt we aren't discussing Tom Brady or Bill Belichick being a great coach today.

Remember, not only did the Chiefs deactivate Charles, they deactivated him for DANTRELL SAVAGE. He got like 10 touches in that Raiders game.

Those guys had proven their worth. They weren't.

Charles has just now been given opportunities. He was never an awful player. Apples and oranges.

Well, I'm not sure, but then again, I'm not saying that "I have no doubt in my mind" that this did or didn't happen.

Wow 1 game at the begining of the year with a new regime who basically said this year was nothing more than a tryout.

It is very disappointing that just because they are the previous regimes players they are not good. That is the only reason Charles did not play. I have no doubt in my mind they were so arrogant that they could not see it. It worries the hell outta me.

Tyler had proven his worth?

He's been in the league one year longer, playing a position that takes longer to master.

Sorry, Phil. But I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

And that's fine.

If any of you guys really think they used an entire season as an open tryout, then our regime is even dumber than I thought.

That is seriously so ****ing reeruned it's stupid to even suggest.

Is it really? Is that why they are hiring 2 new cordinators this offseason? I already posted a few months ago about what Haley said about keeping 9-10 guys from the roster.

Herms players are the only players on this team that are worth a shit, none of the guys Pioli brought in are, unless you dig kickers.

I'm not trying to isolate this post, but one of the things I'm looking forward to the most in year 2 is the absence of any bullshit about an "evaluation year."

Chiefs 2010: No ****ing excuses.

We call that making excuses for a GM shitting himself in his first offseason.

Well, that's up to you.

Considering the way Herm's leftovers were treated, the reports of everyone being on the block, and the fact that Haley admitted earlier tonight that they were lucky that Jamaal "forced them" to look at him differently, I'll stick by what I said.

We're to page 8 I'm still waiting for a source other than Nick Athan.

This is what I have been saying for awhile Deez. Certainly if a college student can see Cassel was setup to fail this season the GM knew it too.

He had 19 starts as a Chief. They decided he wasn't going to work for them. Farewell.

Now, if you want to put Bonecrusher out there as evidence - I'll admit some confusion.

ChiefsPlanet! It's better than ever! Haha..

We've got a clueless kid who got sucked into writing for a tabloid scheme and a bunch of know-it-all's slopping around information from the same guy that ran to the national media saying Shanahan was our coach, and will print anything that makes him money.

ChiefsPlanet! It's better than ever!

That makes him a bad GM...

You should really set your views to 80 posts per page.

Now that's not true.

Please, I got some right here:

"They just installed new schemes with new coordinators, we need to be patient."

"So and so got hurt, we would have won more games if he had stayed healthy."

That's not true. Isn't it BigRedChief who has an inside source who said Clark Hunt had Pioli keep Gailey around?

:facepalm:

Excuses will abound because the reality is too hard to digest.

Why in the world would you knowingly set up the most important piece of the puzzle for failure?

This was Whitlock's whole point about ego. These guys, according to him, are so ****ing full of themselves that they thought they were going to make things work.

Who are you gonna give me, who on this team that is a very good player is a Pioli player.

I will but I doubt any legit source will be posted.

Ah, Pollard. An even better example, as he was flat out cut.

What I learned on this forum is pointing out reality makes you an asshole.

No idea but if you remember thats why I made the "**** you Scott Pioli" thread in preseason.

Removed all the redundant information in your post.

1. Toilet brush.
2. /every ****ing team in the league/

2010: No mother****ing excuses. Produce.

You're not going to get one anytime soon.

I don't have a direct line to Schefter, Glazer, and the crew.

Thanks babe

Nathan's
Haley had the Bronco's handed to him on a silver platter and dropped it
article was shitcanned for this

For those of you wanting confirmation:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ighlight=block

"Pioli puts everyone but Cassel and Flowers on the block"

From, "The source".

Yea but what about the guy who wrote the article? I thought good journalist have sources unless WIPE is making shit up which wouldn't be the first time.

I do remember that but If Nick had something as specific as "the Chiefs offered Charles to the Redskins for a 5th rounder". Why didnt he report it then?

If he had, this wouldnt be an issue. IMO, if he had this info he would have reported it, he didnt therfor he didnt.

I've been saying that the entire thread.

It's being ignored.

Baseless accusation.

very good? none.
Good -decent a few.

O'Callahagn is a decent if not good right tackle. not great but decent and its too early to judge the entire 2009 draft as a failure.

He needs to attribute that information for sure. He doesn't necessarily have to name the source, but identify it with a little bit of precision.

Usually Teicher says something like, "According to one NFL scout..."

Mike Shannahan.

Bill Cowher?

Shall we continue?

He's allowed like 10 sacks.

How often do you hear about trades that aren't completed?

I'd be curious if Clayton can tell us if someone from the Redskins Scout board has any info on this.

I would totally believe Charles was on the block, whether this particular trade was close to happening is another debate.

And he might be right, but considering the source looking for another source really isn't asking that much.

Where's the proof he made any of that up?

You going to tell me ESPN was making it up, too?

It will continued to be ignored, why? Because it makes Pioli look like a ****ing reerun.

So it will be ignored, we can't have the reality being mentioned that our new GM might be a dipshit.

Again, "everyone is on the block" is far from "Charles is being offered for a 5th."

One is a general statement to put the team on notice, the other is a specific transaction.

Barry Richardson is better than O'Callaghan and has shown that every time he played, so why is it O'Callaghan keeps playing? Oh yea he's from NE.

Not that I know of. But I'm not privy to all this stuff like Nick is.

(post will now draw smileys)

(but realize I am your puppeteer, smiley-posters)

If everyone was on the block (and we know this), then why is it so hard to assume that our 3rd down back was being shopped for the same price as one of the guys in our DL rotation?

"But I keep saying that, and I'm being ignored!" [/Mecca]

[Hangs self on cross]

How many has Albert allowed? Like 10 also, does he suck major balls?

At that time Tyler was playing far more than Charles was.

Oh Jesus Christ, nice job Hootie.

Your assuming players were put on the block only to be "put on notice", and that the team wasn't serious about moving them for picks.

We know at least one player was dealt, why is it so hard to believe that the team got to the point of discussing compensation for another?

I worked with Athan for 365 days. I say he makes stuff up. He embarrassed me repeatedly during my tenure and then squashed the legitimate information we had because A) it wasn't his story. B) the Chiefs didn't like the tone of the story.

Baseless from Billay? Perhaps.

Baseless from me? Not a chance. Where are the best reporters to ever work for WPI, gochiefs? The Mike & Mike team were the only hope for that organization. Why did they leave?

The information itself is not that hard to believe.

The source it came from, is. But does that really even need to be pointed out...

Why is that relevant?

Albert has improved. O'Callaghan would need Tommy Boy's brake pads to slow down pass rushers.