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HemiEd 01-05-2010 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6412229)
Yes. Imagine that, the veteran team leader who flies in on his own time and dime to meet with the new coach and in return gets verbally slapped in the face and treated like a child. The very same head coach who would throw tantrums all season long, fire the OC a week before the season starts and struggle on offense the rest of the season.
That is not being a professional, he should have made an appointment and shown some respect for the new regimes time. They were trying to put together a staff and get ready for the draft.

No matter how you spin it, he was wrong. He was trying to do then, the same as he is now, make sure his job is safe. Nothing more, nothing less.

HemiEd 01-05-2010 04:38 PM
Furthermore, the distraction that Water's caused at that time, was anything but being a team leader. He was just another problem the new regime had to deal with.

Saccopoo 01-05-2010 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6412400)
Albert is not out of position.
Square peg in a round hole. The guy could be a dominating Pro Bowl level LG in this league. Let him be one. Let's get a guy in here that can actually play LT at a high level so Albert can be that special guy on the line - at his natural position.

Hammock Parties 01-05-2010 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6412448)
Square peg in a round hole. The guy could be a dominating Pro Bowl level LG in this league. Let him be one. Let's get a guy in here that can actually play LT at a high level so Albert can be that special guy on the line - at his natural position.
ROFL

He is going to be an excellent left tackle. He has clearly gotten over his little slump as proven by the last month. He SHUT DOWN Dumervil Sunday.

suds79 01-05-2010 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6412448)
Square peg in a round hole. The guy could be a dominating Pro Bowl level LG in this league. Let him be one. Let's get a guy in here that can actually play LT at a high level so Albert can be that special guy on the line - at his natural position.
How do you know that he'd be a pro bowl LG???

The guy had a real nice rookie year at LT. Started slow this year but finished strong.

And you already want to move our 1st rounder to a position that is normally filled by 5th round type of guys? We're talking about a Guard here...

We spent our 1st on a LT and we have one. We need interior O-line help and that can be filled middle to late in the draft.

Saccopoo 01-05-2010 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6412449)
ROFL

He is going to be an excellent left tackle. He has clearly gotten over his little slump as proven by the last month. He SHUT DOWN Dumervil Sunday.
I don't know. I wouldn't complain if the Chiefs picked Okung, Campbell or Davis in the draft with their first pick or Beadles or Fox in the second/third and move Albert over to guard. Why not better two positions on the line rather than keep hoping that some guy will improve as he learns to play a new position? Albert, at this stage, has got to be an improvement over Waters at the LG position and a guy like Beadles or Black or Okung or Davis have played LT almost exclusively through their entire four year college career. Albert at LG would help make the transition from college to the pros a much faster one for both a new LT and a new C (which we all know we need). It's a win-win scenario for everyone.

SDChiefs 01-05-2010 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6412142)
Waters is always professional. Haley could learn a lot from the guy.
I hope you don't go to a game next year because Haley will flip you off for this.

Saccopoo 01-05-2010 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 6412467)
How do you know that he'd be a pro bowl LG???

The guy had a real nice rookie year at LT. Started slow this year but finished strong.

And you already want to move our 1st rounder to a position that is normally filled by 5th round type of guys? We're talking about a Guard here...

We spent our 1st on a LT and we have one. We need interior O-line help and that can be filled middle to late in the draft.
Our first rounder never played a snap at LT until camp with the Chiefs. We drafted a LG with a first round pick. That's the fact of the matter. We are talking about a guard here. We did not spend our first round pick on a LT. He was a guard. And we do need interior line help. He would be that help. And he would be a major assest in developing both a new LT and a new C.

DaneMcCloud 01-05-2010 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6412448)
Square peg in a round hole. The guy could be a dominating Pro Bowl level LG in this league. Let him be one. Let's get a guy in here that can actually play LT at a high level so Albert can be that special guy on the line - at his natural position.
Fully disagree.

First off, left guard is NOT his natural position. Period.

Secondly, he has neither the upper or lower body strength to take on DT's and MLB's.

Thirdly, he plays best in space. He shut down Dumerville on Sunday.

He would be an absolutely failure at left guard.

He's a left tackle. Leave him the **** alone.

DaneMcCloud 01-05-2010 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6412491)
Our first rounder never played a snap at LT until camp with the Chiefs. We drafted a LG with a first round pick. That's the fact of the matter. We are talking about a guard here. We did not spend our first round pick on a LT. He was a guard. And we do need interior line help. He would be that help. And he would be a major assest in developing both a new LT and a new C.
JFC.

He was a GUARD because Eugene Monroe was incapable of playing anything but left tackle, so Albert moved to guard.

He is NOT a natural guard.

Halfcan 01-05-2010 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6410484)
Im gonna go out on a limb and say that I dont want Waters replaced.

I understand that wont be popular, but I dont care. The guy has a couple more years left on him and I seriously believe we will be a much improved team next year. The management knows where the holes are now and will move to fill them as well as possible.

I think that Waters poor play was perfectly in conjunction with Alberts and that his play came back to form once Alberts did. I think he will make us forget his suck if/when we upgrade the center position as well. I saw him lunging a lot early in the year and getting a lot of holding penalties and IMHO those are both byproducts of a player trying to do to much because of the players around him not doing their jobs.

I have talked with Brian a couple times and he is one of my favorite players on the team, he one of the few veteran presences and has been a Chief through thick and thin.

If Whitlock never writes that article, the perception of him would still be accurate. Unfortunately, Whitlock made him look like a bitch and its really unfair. It put him in the wron light with us fans.

I even called himout on that article and he responded with saying he should have kept that info private (though, I couldn't tell if he was saying it sarcastically or not by his response) he even went on to say his play hadn't been effected by it. LOL
Excellent post!

Mr. Laz 01-05-2010 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6412400)
Albert is not out of position.
shannahan to kc is a done deal

TigerPig 01-05-2010 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6412513)
shannahan to kc is a done deal
NO

Hammock Parties 01-05-2010 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6412513)
shannahan to kc is a done deal
You're a dumb****. Albert just spent 16 games learning how to play with new technique in a new body. He FINALLY got it down by game 16. ****ing with him now is uber-fail.

He's gonna be awesome next year.

Saccopoo 01-05-2010 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6412501)
JFC.

He was a GUARD because Eugene Monroe was incapable of playing anything but left tackle, so Albert moved to guard.

He is NOT a natural guard.
I don't know Dane. After this season, he's not showing the proclivity to be a natural left tackle either.

Personally, I hope he's salvagable and not just a shit pick by the king of shit pickers, Carl Peterson. He got beat like a drum this year and tried to get his quarterback killed.

I'm just trying to conceptualize best case scenarios and getting a more naturally gifted LT and C around him while he played LG looked to be a better situation than a left side of the line of Albert/Waters/Niswanger.

DaneMcCloud 01-05-2010 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6412579)
I don't know Dane. After this season, he's not showing the proclivity to be a natural left tackle either.

Personally, I hope he's salvagable and not just a shit pick by the king of shit pickers, Carl Peterson. He got beat like a drum this year and tried to get his quarterback killed.

I'm just trying to conceptualize best case scenarios and getting a more naturally gifted LT and C around him while he played LG looked to be a better situation than a left side of the line of Albert/Waters/Niswanger.
Dude, come on.

The guys lost 30 pounds and had to rely on technique that he was learning week by week, not on his strength and size. He was playing extremely well the last four weeks of the season and heading into his third year, he should be near an All Pro level, especially if the left guard position is upgraded either through the draft or by Darryl Harris.

Waters is done. Niswanger sucks. The only thing that helped to stop the bleeding was Albert's re-emergence and Wade Smith.

TigerPig 01-05-2010 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6412591)
Dude, come on.

The guys lost 30 pounds and had to rely on technique that he was learning week by week, not on his strength and size. He was playing extremely well the last four weeks of the season and heading into his third year, he should be near an All Pro level, especially if the left guard position is upgraded either through the draft or by Darryl Harris.

Waters is done. Niswanger sucks. The only thing that helped to stop the bleeding was Albert's re-emergence and Wade Smith.
Albert is neither good nor bad. He could go either way at this point, it looks like he has an upward trend. But he could totally fizzle out, and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he never got better than he is right now.

DaneMcCloud 01-05-2010 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerPig (Post 6412595)
Albert is neither good nor bad. He could go either way at this point, it looks like he has an upward trend. But he could totally fizzle out, and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he never got better than he is right now.
I'm sorry but that's crazy talk

Hammock Parties 01-05-2010 05:43 PM
How can people ignore the last month. Honestly.

It wasn't coincidence we averaged 413 yards per game while Albert played his best football.

Brock 01-05-2010 05:45 PM
KC had a dominant offensive line for years and years and never won a goddamn thing.

DaneMcCloud 01-05-2010 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6412606)
How can people ignore the last month. Honestly.

It wasn't coincidence we averaged 413 yards per game while Albert played his best football.
I'm betting that most of these people didn't even watch Albert and that some didn't even watch all of the games.

TigerPig 01-05-2010 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6412610)
KC had a dominant offensive line for years and years and never won a goddamn thing.
Those times could be contributed to either overly-conservative playcalling (Schottenheimer) or lack of defense (Vermeil).

TigerPig 01-05-2010 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6412613)
I'm betting that most of these people didn't even watch Albert and that some didn't even watch all of the games.
There have been many second year guys who show stride, that end up still fizzling out. Just don't be surprised if it happens (it could very well not).

Hammock Parties 01-05-2010 05:49 PM
Look at his pass blocking in the first half of the season compared to the second half.

Not even close.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_playe...&playerid=4329

FAX 01-05-2010 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6412591)
Dude, come on.

The guys lost 30 pounds and had to rely on technique that he was learning week by week, not on his strength and size. He was playing extremely well the last four weeks of the season and heading into his third year, he should be near an All Pro level, especially if the left guard position is upgraded either through the draft or by Darryl Harris.

Waters is done. Niswanger sucks. The only thing that helped to stop the bleeding was Albert's re-emergence and Wade Smith.
I think (think) that Albert is improving, but I'm not sure. I like the fact that the coaches are working with him on his technique. I do believe that, if he masters the technique necessary to play NFL left tackle, he could be excellent.

However, the main reason Albert was able to perform well in the goat game was our rushing attack. It's downright amazing what a serious run threat can do to improve an offensive lineman's stats.

Still and all, the o-line continues to need help. We are far from being a dominant group that executes their blocking assignments with flawless, integrated precision and coordinated power. At this point, we're a whole lot more like 5 club-footed monkeys in a gunny sack race.

FAX

Brock 01-05-2010 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerPig (Post 6412619)
Those times could be contributed to either overly-conservative playcalling (Schottenheimer) or lack of defense (Vermeil).
Or maybe, just maybe, a lack of playmakers.

FAX 01-05-2010 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6412624)
Look at his pass blocking in the first half of the season compared to the second half.

Not even close.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_playe...&playerid=4329
Add two tablespoons of experience, a pint of coaching, and fifty gallons of Charles and you have a recipe for improved play at that position.

FAX

DaneMcCloud 01-05-2010 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6412627)
I think (think) that Albert is improving, but I'm not sure. I like the fact that the coaches are working with him on his technique. I do believe that, if he masters the technique necessary to play NFL left tackle, he could be excellent.
This really isn't the main issue. Albert played at an extremely high level last year in Gailey's scheme. Haley and Muir changed from that scheme to a zone blocking scheme.

If Haley and Muir had been here in 2008, Albert would have never been drafted. They're forcing a square peg in a round hole and to Albert's credit, he's making the adjustment nicely.

I expect him to become even more comfortable after working in this scheme for the next 9 full months.

TigerPig 01-05-2010 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6412629)
Or maybe, just maybe, a lack of playmakers.
Schottenheimer = DT...enough said. He may have not been offense, but all Marty had to do with that defense is put up 14 or so. And he didn't.

Brock 01-05-2010 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerPig (Post 6412649)
Schottenheimer = DT...enough said. He may have not been offense, but all Marty had to do with that defense is put up 14 or so. And he didn't.
Didn't really matter, the teams with playmakers like Dallas and SF were way, way ahead of anything coming out of KC at that point.

HemiEd 01-05-2010 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6412624)
Look at his pass blocking in the first half of the season compared to the second half.

Not even close.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_playe...&playerid=4329
milkman called this early in the season, the guy has been right about Albert since early in his last year of school.



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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6412629)
Or maybe, just maybe, a lack of playmakers.
Exactly

googlegoogle 01-05-2010 06:20 PM
Only Pioli and haley have answers and they aren't going to tell us because it compromises us in the draft.

Other teams read this shit.

TigerPig 01-05-2010 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by googlegoogle (Post 6412735)
Other teams read this shit.
ROFL

Its funny cause its, sadly, probably true. :-) Now whose screen names are the culprits?

Chiefnj2 01-05-2010 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6412624)
Look at his pass blocking in the first half of the season compared to the second half.

Not even close.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_playe...&playerid=4329
Looks like he does better against OLB's in a 34 than he does 43 ends.

OnTheWarpath15 01-05-2010 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6412629)
Or maybe, just maybe, a lack of playmakers.
This Brock guy GETS IT.

Just Passin' By 01-05-2010 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6412629)
Or maybe, just maybe, a lack of playmakers.
That reason isn't allowed for Haley and company. Why should it be allowed for previous administrations?

OnTheWarpath15 01-05-2010 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6413440)
That reason isn't allowed for Haley and company. Why should it be allowed for previous administrations?
He's not excusing previous regimes, dipshit. He's actually criticizing them.

If you had any history here other than defending your Master, you'd get that.

Brock 01-05-2010 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6413440)
That reason isn't allowed for Haley and company. Why should it be allowed for previous administrations?
Most of the previous regimes were at least competent gameday coaches. Marty Schottenheimer and Dick Vermeil, for all their faults, didn't repeatedly stick their heads up their own asses, the way Haley seems to do on a weekly basis.

Mr. Laz 01-05-2010 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6412547)
You're a dumb****. Albert just spent 16 games learning how to play with new technique in a new body. He FINALLY got it down by game 16. ****ing with him now is uber-fail.

He's gonna be awesome next year.
:Poke:


ROFL

Just Passin' By 01-05-2010 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6413450)
He's not excusing previous regimes, dipshit. He's actually criticizing them.

If you had any history here other than defending your Master, you'd get that.
Perhaps you should try re-reading. You seem to have a habit of not bothering to read things properly the first time.

Saccopoo 01-06-2010 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6412645)
This really isn't the main issue. Albert played at an extremely high level last year in Gailey's scheme. Haley and Muir changed from that scheme to a zone blocking scheme.

If Haley and Muir had been here in 2008, Albert would have never been drafted. They're forcing a square peg in a round hole and to Albert's credit, he's making the adjustment nicely.

I expect him to become even more comfortable after working in this scheme for the next 9 full months.
I agree fully with this, but I don't know how comfortable he'll get in totality. He got better, but just marginally, and in honesty, there wasn't any other direction for him to go other than up. I would also look at the switch from Johnson to Charles and Charles' higher degree of elusiveness and speed versus Larry's "I don't give a shit and I'll run up the posterior of anything in front of me and just fall down" style of running might have had a lot to do with the "improvement" in the offensive line. His 7 sacks and 13 penalties (2nd most by an offensive tackle in 2009) and myriad of bad plays isn't that reassuring.

I do hope he gets it and the team is able to draft elsewhere, but right now, the Chiefs have the worst offensive line in football, and Albert might have been the worst of the lot this past season. I think that the Chiefs go into this next draft with a plan of hope for the best but plan for the worst and they end up with a potential starter at LT with one of their picks in the first three rounds. The only thing keeping the Eric Berry hopes alive was that our safety play might have been actually worse than our offensive line play, if that's even possible.

Mecca 01-06-2010 01:25 AM
It would be brilliant to take a OT 5 when none of them are even worth top 10 picks this year.

Saccopoo 01-06-2010 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6414078)
It would be brilliant to take a OT 5 when none of them are even worth top 10 picks this year.
You can start thanking Mike Brown now for the Chiefs selection of Eric Berry on draft day - and don't forget to thank Mike Shanahan too when he picks Bradford or Clausen instead of Berry.

The only way the Chiefs don't end up with Berry is if St. Louis drafts Suh, Detroit McCoy and Tampa is sitting there without a defensive tackle. They go with Berry at that point and the Chiefs end up selecting Anthony Davis at #5.

Mecca 01-06-2010 01:34 AM
Uh dude Washington wouldn't take a safety anyway, I don't think they want to have Landry and another safety both making top 10 pick salaries.

Titty Meat 01-06-2010 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6414087)
Uh dude Washington wouldn't take a safety anyway, I don't think they want to have Landry and another safety both making top 10 pick salaries.
Orly? Is that why they drafted Landry when they already had Taylor?

Red Dawg 01-06-2010 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 6410816)
We need a Tight End, and Defense defense defense.

I would have said QB too, but thats not going to change.
What needs to change is our WR's need stop dropping the damn ball. 48 drops! I bet that cost us 1,000 yards, 30 first downs and 3 wins. Nothing wrong with Cassel, he'll be good if he can get good Wr's.

Brock 01-06-2010 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6414088)
Orly? Is that why they drafted Landry when they already had Taylor?
does that seem like a Mike Shanahan thing to do?

Saccopoo 01-06-2010 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6414398)
does that seem like a Mike Shanahan thing to do?
Yep, as Shanahan has had some of the weirdest drafts in recent memory. The year that they signed Champ Bailey, in that next draft he picks cornerbacks with the first three picks. The year Jake Plummer finally gets the Broncos not only their first playoff win in the post-Elway era, but takes them to the AFC Championship game, Shanahan trades up in the first round to take a quarterback.

So, yeah, I have no doubt that Mike Shanahan would take Eric Berry, even with LaRon Landry on the team. Especially since Landry has been less than productive this season, and looks like he's not really suited to be a free safety in the NFL. (Taylor Mays fans take note of the following article.)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...m-laron-landry

MOhillbilly 01-06-2010 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6414088)
Orly? Is that why they drafted Landry when they already had Taylor?
GW D scheme starts w/ safety play.

Mecca 01-06-2010 04:03 PM
Laron Landry plays a style of safety that doesn't lead to big numbers, he's used much the same as Mays is used at SC.

DaneMcCloud 01-06-2010 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6414088)
Orly? Is that why they drafted Landry when they already had Taylor?
Do you really believe that Mike Shanahan will take a safety?

I don't think there's anyway that'll happen, at all.

DaneMcCloud 01-06-2010 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6414515)
Yep, as Shanahan has had some of the weirdest drafts in recent memory. The year that they signed Champ Bailey, in that next draft he picks cornerbacks with the first three picks. The year Jake Plummer finally gets the Broncos not only their first playoff win in the post-Elway era, but takes them to the AFC Championship game, Shanahan trades up in the first round to take a quarterback.

So, yeah, I have no doubt that Mike Shanahan would take Eric Berry, even with LaRon Landry on the team. Especially since Landry has been less than productive this season, and looks like he's not really suited to be a free safety in the NFL. (Taylor Mays fans take note of the following article.)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...m-laron-landry
Shanahan will want a QB and/or a RB if not offensive line.

Safety is a luxury they can't afford.

Brock 01-06-2010 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6415699)
Shanahan will want a QB and/or a RB if not offensive line.

Safety is a luxury they can't afford.
That's what I think too. I'll admit Shanahan likes drafting DBs, but I don't see how that jives with what he already has in DC.

Mecca 01-06-2010 04:26 PM
He's an offensive coach going to a team with a pathetic offense but a pretty good defense, acting like Washington is going to take a safety is pretty far fetched.

OnTheWarpath15 01-06-2010 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6415710)
He's an offensive coach going to a team with a pathetic offense but a pretty good defense, acting like Washington is going to take a safety is pretty far fetched.
I tend to agree, but the guy is pretty unpredictable.

Who saw him trading up to take Cutler?

Nothing would really surprise me.

Titty Meat 01-06-2010 04:29 PM
I'll bet they draft an O-linemen

DaneMcCloud 01-06-2010 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6415715)
I tend to agree, but the guy is pretty unpredictable.

Who saw him trading up to take Cutler?

Nothing would really surprise me.
It would surprise me if he didn't go offense considering Campbell is done in DC and Portis is on his last legs, not to mention the terrible offensive line.

I wouldn't be shocked to see them trade back and acquire more picks because they have a lot of holes to fill on the offensive side of the ball and I just can't see Shanahan being patient with their current offensive personnel.

Mecca 01-06-2010 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6415715)
I tend to agree, but the guy is pretty unpredictable.

Who saw him trading up to take Cutler?

Nothing would really surprise me.
Well would you really want to try to win something with Jake Plummer?

DaneMcCloud 01-06-2010 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6415723)
I'll bet they draft an O-linemen
I think that'll depend on whether or not Clausen or Spiller is available, in addition to the trade back calls they receive.

It's hardly set in stone for any of the top five teams at this point.

OnTheWarpath15 01-06-2010 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6415728)
Well would you really want to try to win something with Jake Plummer?
ROFL

True, but no one expected the move, is what I'm saying.

And I mean NO ONE. They didn't even interview Cutler, FFS.

Covert, black-ops shit.

Titty Meat 01-06-2010 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6415732)
I think that'll depend on whether or not Clausen or Spiller is available, in addition to the trade back calls they receive.

It's hardly set in stone for any of the top five teams at this point.
Yea I'd like to see Washington draft Clausen, I hate both of them.

OnTheWarpath15 01-06-2010 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6415727)
It would surprise me if he didn't go offense considering Campbell is done in DC and Portis is on his last legs, not to mention the terrible offensive line.

I wouldn't be shocked to see them trade back and acquire more picks because they have a lot of holes to fill on the offensive side of the ball and I just can't see Shanahan being patient with their current offensive personnel.
Depends on who's there, but I think he may stick with Campbell, and take someone like Spiller.

I think that's better for the team long term than getting a QB that isn't going to be much better (I'm assuming Claussen is gone at this point) and still having a gaping hole at RB.

Nothing would surprise me, but I can see a o-lineman, Spiller or Claussen, if he's there.

Mecca 01-06-2010 04:36 PM
I don't see them going RB, remember Shanahan makes scrub RB's good.

I think it's either QB or maybe reaching for Dez Bryant.

Titty Meat 01-06-2010 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6415750)
I don't see them going RB, remember Shanahan makes scrub RB's good.

I think it's either QB or maybe reaching for Dez Bryant.
Amazing how a team that needs a RB would pass up CJ Spiller. I'd rather draft Cj Spiller over Dez Bryant even if I needed a WR.

OnTheWarpath15 01-06-2010 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6415750)
I don't see them going RB, remember Shanahan makes scrub RB's good.

I think it's either QB or maybe reaching for Dez Bryant.
Does Shanahan make scrub RB's look good, or does the OL and that ZBS?

Not disagreeing, just playing DA.

Mecca 01-06-2010 04:47 PM
Could be either but I don't think he'll go RB that high.

HemiEd 01-06-2010 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6415727)
It would surprise me if he didn't go offense considering Campbell is done in DC and Portis is on his last legs, not to mention the terrible offensive line.

I wouldn't be shocked to see them trade back and acquire more picks because they have a lot of holes to fill on the offensive side of the ball and I just can't see Shanahan being patient with their current offensive personnel.
That is a thought that bothers me, someone might move ahead of the Chiefs to get the best player.

ChiefUp 01-06-2010 04:49 PM
Waters is right we don't need free agint o-line men nor should we use 1st or 2nd round pics on them


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