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Hammock Parties 01-07-2010 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6418232)
Why isn't Clark Hunt a great owner?

Because he hasn't proven jack yet. Other than the fact that he can be an executor of change.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6418234)
Because he hasn't proven jack yet. Other than the fact that he can be an executor of change.

My opinon he's a cheap ****er.

Mecca 01-07-2010 02:48 AM

Clark Hunt hired the biggest name GM on the market, that's a bit concerning to me many times the biggest name guy out there isn't the best choice.

TigerPig 01-07-2010 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6418231)
New England has great ownership, Belichick and Tom Brady.

We have none of those.

Indianapolis has great ownership, a great front office (who built 3 contenders) and Peyton Manning.

Pittsburgh has great ownership, Polamalu, Hampton, and Roethlisberger.

Our problem is that we have no organizational philosophy aside from "Just do exactly what happened in New England".

Well, no two scenarios are exactly the same.

The reason why a guy like Mike Tomlin is a good coach is b/c he's a Tampa 2 guy but he realizes his talent works best in a 3-4, so he doesnt' **** with it. Pittsburgh also drafts to the strength of the draft (which is why they drafted multiple OL in the mid-late rounds last year, and got a guy like Mike Wallace and a better 5 tech at 32 than we did at 3)

Okay, well if our ownership sucks, I don't know what you want. What is your solution other than cheering for Pittsburgh? These people are already taken, and the ones you're saying work in these organizations IMO are the same style of people we've taken from NE. With both groups its whether or not this person has anything to do with the success of the team.

I don't see any difference between doing what we're doing now, and doing what you're proposing other than basing it around different teams. The people are different, but its not like there's any less of a risk either way. I don't see a difference in risk hiring Weis than anyone in the Steeler organization that they are actually willing to part with. And a difference in talent is something neither you nor I can accurately measure, nor anyone else can. So that's a moot point.

Hammock Parties 01-07-2010 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6418235)
My opinon he's a cheap ****er.

I don't know about this. It would have been easy for him to mandate keeping Thigpen because Cassel was "too expensive."

If Clark was as cheap as you think there were a lot cheaper options than making Pioli the highest-paid GM in football.

TigerPig 01-07-2010 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418237)
Clark Hunt hired the biggest name GM on the market, that's a bit concerning to me many times the biggest name guy out there isn't the best choice.

Its like the draft. A lot of times the biggest name isn't the best choice. But at the same time everything you've been told about the person and everything you've seen tells you its the right move.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6418239)
I don't know about this. It would have been easy for him to mandate keeping Thigpen because Cassel was "too expensive."

If Clark was as cheap as you think there were a lot cheaper options than making Pioli the highest-paid GM in football.

It took him forever to hire a GM. He was probably trying to squeeze every penny out of Pioli.

Mecca 01-07-2010 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerPig (Post 6418238)
Okay, well if our ownership sucks, I don't know what you want. What is your solution other than cheering for Pittsburgh? These people are already taken, and the ones you're saying work in these organizations IMO are the same style of people we've taken from NE. With both groups its whether or not this person has anything to do with the success of the team.

I don't see any difference between doing what we're doing now, and doing what you're proposing other than basing it around different teams. The people are different, but its not like there's any less of a risk either way. I don't see a difference in hiring Weis than anyone in the Steeler organization that they are actually willing to part with. And a difference in talent is something neither you nor I can accurately measure, nor anyone else can. So that's a moot point.

You should look at my post about what teams have a repeatable strategy and what team doesn't.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 02:50 AM

And then making Haley keep Gailey? Wtf?

Hammock Parties 01-07-2010 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6418242)
It took him forever to hire a GM. He was probably trying to squeeze every penny out of Pioli.

I think he was performing his due diligence.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-07-2010 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6418232)
Why isn't Clark Hunt a great owner?

Because he doesn't give a shit about the Chiefs.

Mecca 01-07-2010 02:52 AM

The Hunts have cared how much money the Chiefs made them for my entire life, that's just how it is.

There are many other owners that care far more about winning than Clark Hunt or Lamar did in my lifespan.

Hammock Parties 01-07-2010 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6418246)
Because he doesn't give a shit about the Chiefs.

I honestly don't know how anyone can witness the change in this franchise since last December and argue this with a straight face.

Mecca 01-07-2010 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6418249)
I honestly don't know how anyone can witness the change in this franchise since last December and argue this with a straight face.

He cares about the profit the Chiefs turn for him and he knew he couldn't sell the base Carl anymore so he went and got the casual fan the biggest name guy on the market...think about it.

Hell most of the informed posters on here didn't want Pioli.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6418246)
Because he doesn't give a shit about the Chiefs.

And Obama is a muslim. I need details Hamas if he didn't give a shit wouldn't he have just hired Bill Kuharich?

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-07-2010 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6418249)
I honestly don't know how anyone can witness the change in this franchise since last December and argue this with a straight face.

Why, because he hired the most well known candidate?

That can be laziness as much as due diligence.

They treat this team as an investment rather than a competitive entity.

Mecca 01-07-2010 02:55 AM

If he cares so much why is he never at games?

I always wonder if some fans of the Chiefs are stunned when other owners are shown at their teams games.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418250)
He cares about the profit the Chiefs turn for him and he knew he couldn't sell the base Carl anymore so he went and got the casual fan the biggest name guy on the market...think about it.

Hell most of the informed posters on here didn't want Pioli.

I wanted Pioli you sayin i'm not informed? If it were all about money wouldn't there be motivation to win seeing as the team would make more money?

Mecca 01-07-2010 02:56 AM

The Chiefs were selling out going 8-8...

This year the Chiefs were far under the cap...he got them about the only GM candidate that the casual fan would know by name.

That's an investment move.

BossChief 01-07-2010 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6418216)
Well, my preferred D is a 4-3, but if you had to get a 3-4, the best 3-4 DL coach is John Mitchell, but he's been in Pittsburgh since Cowher was hired.

I can tell you from personal experience that John Mitchell is probably never leaving Pittsburgs coaching staff unless he retires before he dies. He has passed over many job opportunities because he loves coaching the DL in Pittsburg. He doesn't want anything more.

I have some friends from around that neck of the woods that ran many fund raisers that he was involved in and he was staying put. He has declined to interview for at least 3 different coordinator positions but chose to stay.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-07-2010 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6418251)
And Obama is a muslim. I need details Hamas if he didn't give a shit wouldn't he have just hired Bill Kuharich?

Skipping games to go to MLS games is a good start. He also spends almost all his time in Dallas, and is on hand for probably fewer than 10 Chiefs-related functions a year.

Mecca 01-07-2010 02:57 AM

It still blows my mind why more teams don't steal Eagles defensive coaches, to me that is the best scheme going today.

Hammock Parties 01-07-2010 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6418252)
Why, because he hired the most well known candidate?

It's more than just Pioli. It's all the extra money they poured into the stadium, signing off on trading a known commodity like Tony Gonzalez (if all he cared about was money trading Gonzalez makes no sense), the point I already made about Cassel....Hunt is at the games all the time, even when it's cold as ****. For crissakes, he was unpacking boxes at some charity event earlier this year.

I think Clark Hunt gives a very large shit.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-07-2010 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6418254)
I wanted Pioli you sayin i'm not informed? If it were all about money wouldn't there be motivation to win seeing as the team would make more money?

You only have to win 7-9 games a year to satisfy this fan base.

TigerPig 01-07-2010 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418243)
You should look at my post about what teams have a repeatable strategy and what team doesn't.

NE has a repeatable strategy. Just because they got Brady in the 6th round doesn't make it any more or less repeatable. There are TONS of teams in this league using Pittsburgh's strategy when it comes to player scouting and drafting. But just because you try doesn't mean you can.

This is why I don't see the problem with Weis. I think Pittsburgh would go after Weis if they had the position to fill this year. Its not like they think they're so special they don't have to recognize talent from other places.

Hammock Parties 01-07-2010 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418253)
If he cares so much why is he never at games?

He was at the Denver game this year. Last year he was at the game against Miami when it was about 2 degrees. I know he goes to more games.

Saying he's never at games is a bunch of BS.

Mecca 01-07-2010 02:59 AM

So do you think we spent no money FA because Clark would only sign off on 1 move being Cassel factoring in the Jackson pick you know playing in that he's cheap...

Or was Pioli really naive to think this team had talent?

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-07-2010 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6418260)
It's more than just Pioli. It's all the extra money they poured into the stadium, signing off on trading a known commodity like Tony Gonzalez (if all he cared about was money trading Gonzalez makes no sense), the point I already made about Cassel....Hunt is at the games all the time, even when it's cold as ****. For crissakes, he was unpacking boxes at some charity event earlier this year.

I think Clark Hunt gives a very large shit.

HE'S THE ****ING OWNER. He should be at every game, preseason, minicamps, OTAs, training camp.

Who gives a **** if he throws on a peacoat and flies up to KC when it's cold. How is that commitment?

Mecca 01-07-2010 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerPig (Post 6418262)
NE has a repeatable strategy. Just because they got Brady in the 6th round doesn't make it any more or less repeatable. There are TONS of teams in this league using Pittsburgh's strategy when it comes to player scouting and drafting. But just because you try doesn't mean you can.

This is why I don't see the problem with Weis. I think Pittsburgh would go after Weis if they had the position to fill this year. Its not like they think they're so special they don't have to recognize talent from other places.

I got nothing against Charlie Weis, it's not that move by itself, it's all of them together.

Hammock Parties 01-07-2010 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418264)
So do you think we spent no money FA because Clark would only sign off on 1 move being Cassel factoring in the Jackson pick you know playing in that he's cheap...

Or was Pioli really naive to think this team had talent?

I know they went after Haynesworth, so they wanted to spend money. Just not as much as the Redskins...and who can blame them for that?

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6418258)
Skipping games to go to MLS games is a good start. He also spends almost all his time in Dallas, and is on hand for probably fewer than 10 Chiefs-related functions a year.

To be fair the Chiefs had 1 win and Columbus was in the championship game. I don't know if all owners live in the same town where they own the team? And just about every Chiefs game I've been to I saw Clark or Lamar.

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:00 AM

Well I do think regardless of how tarded they may be at times, Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones care far more about winning than our owner does.

TigerPig 01-07-2010 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6418260)
I think Clark Hunt gives a very large shit.

Its cause he doesn't have a ring like his daddy did. And he wants one.

Kinda like a Master's Jacket, you carry that shit around with you forever. Even if you only win one once, you wear it when it happened 40 years ago.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-07-2010 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6418260)
It's more than just Pioli. It's all the extra money they poured into the stadium, signing off on trading a known commodity like Tony Gonzalez (if all he cared about was money trading Gonzalez makes no sense), the point I already made about Cassel....Hunt is at the games all the time, even when it's cold as ****. For crissakes, he was unpacking boxes at some charity event earlier this year.

I think Clark Hunt gives a very large shit.

Putting that money into the stadium was an investment move. It had nothing to do with passion.

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6418269)
To be fair the Chiefs had 1 win and Columbus was in the championship game. I don't know if all owners live in the same town where they own the team? And just about every Chiefs game I've been to I saw Clark or Lamar.

Sometimes you should accept if you own an NFL team you should be at every game, 1% of the American population cares about soccer.

Hammock Parties 01-07-2010 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6418266)
HE'S THE ****ING OWNER. He should be at every game, preseason, minicamps, OTAs, training camp.

He is a large presence at training camp.

You do realize he has other responsibilities than just Chiefs football...and technically he's the Chairman of the Board, he's not the owner.

If he didn't give a shit he wouldn't come to camp at all.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418264)
So do you think we spent no money FA because Clark would only sign off on 1 move being Cassel factoring in the Jackson pick you know playing in that he's cheap...

Or was Pioli really naive to think this team had talent?

Didn't they sign like 20 guys this offseason? You don't spend big money on players year 1 of building a team.

TigerPig 01-07-2010 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418270)
Well I do think regardless of how tarded they may be at times, Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones care far more about winning than our owner does.

Cause they're more outspoken? I think Clark wants to win, and he knows the best way he can do that is to step back, shut up, hire the best guy (he thinks is best) for the job, and support him.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418270)
Well I do think regardless of how tarded they may be at times, Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones care far more about winning than our owner does.

You follow baseball right? David Glass is a cheap owner.

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:03 AM

Signing guys to minimum contracts is not being a player in FA.

This team was devoid of talent with huge cap space with an uncapped year looming and spent no money, explain how that is well thought out.

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerPig (Post 6418279)
Cause they're more outspoken? I think Clark wants to win, and he knows the best way he can do that is to step back, shut up, hire the best guy (he thinks is best) for the job, and support him.

No not that part...I think Snyder and Jones will spend for a player they think will put them over the top, I don't see that with our team.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418282)
Signing guys to minimum contracts is not being a player in FA.

This team was devoid of talent with huge cap space with an uncapped year looming and spent no money, explain how that is well thought out.

See what Pioli does this offseason before you can judge that.

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:05 AM

Well if we go to uncapped year he won't be doing anything because there aren't going to be any FA's.

See the problem?

TigerPig 01-07-2010 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418267)
I got nothing against Charlie Weis, it's not that move by itself, it's all of them together.

Why not? That's a great idea, cause there's already chemistry! You don't have to take a year to have everyone acclimate to each other. Its like, "You two have already met? Good, now lets start winning!"

You want to start winning sooner than later? Try using a coaching crew that already knows each other. That's that much less time they have to figure stuff out.

BossChief 01-07-2010 03:05 AM

Clark Hunt $$$ spent

Stadium Renovations
Matt Cassel
Scott Pioli
Todd Haley
Firing Herm Edwards
Tyson Jackson
was in the running for Haynesworth (supposedly, who really knows?)

How do you know if Clark does or doesnt attend games? I know that Lamar only missed less than a handfull of games in like 40 years.

If you wanna talk shit about Lamar Hunt, go follow the ****ing Falcons or something.

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:06 AM

I'm sorry, in the time I've been alive I can't say Lamar Hunt cared that much about the team winning games.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418286)
Well if we go to uncapped year he won't be doing anything because there aren't going to be any FA's.

See the problem?

Maybe Pioli makes a move for a guy like Cribbs we'll see.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6418288)
.

If you wanna talk shit about Lamar Hunt, go follow the ****ing Falcons or something.

He was a nice man but in my lifetime his franchise really did suck.

TigerPig 01-07-2010 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418283)
No not that part...I think Snyder and Jones will spend for a player they think will put them over the top, I don't see that with our team.

I don't want them to spend a lot on a big player. Its like putting the fountain up in front of your house before its built.

Until we have a solid player at every position, I don't want to see us go after that lunker of a FA. Free Agency is an EXPENSIVE way to build your team, a good team does so in the draft.

And if you think Pioli sucks at drafting players, then... it SUCKS TO BE YOU! :) Cause he's here, he's going to be drafting them for a while now (see how long our last GM was here), and there's nothing you can do about it.

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:10 AM

Well dude if you look at the Pats drafting history...it's pretty subpar especially as the years have gone on.

I'm a big proponent of the draft but I thought the Chiefs should have spent money this year, when you are that far under the cap, have no one to resign in the near future but have no players who are in the 26-30 range because you had very poor past drafts you should spend some money.

The Chiefs basically have money to spend because they drafted so poorly they have no stars to resign.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418295)
Well dude if you look at the Pats drafting history...it's pretty subpar especially as the years have gone on.

I'm a big proponent of the draft but I thought the Chiefs should have spent money this year, when you are that far under the cap, have no one to resign in the near future but have no players who are in the 26-30 range because you had very poor past drafts you should spend some money.

The Chiefs basically have money to spend because they drafted so poorly they have no stars to resign.

I'd rather build the core through the draft and sign free agents to fill some holes. I'm not a fan of drafting based on need.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-07-2010 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6418288)
Clark Hunt $$$ spent

Stadium Renovations
Matt Cassel
Scott Pioli
Todd Haley
Firing Herm Edwards
Tyson Jackson
was in the running for Haynesworth (supposedly, who really knows?)

How do you know if Clark does or doesnt attend games? I know that Lamar only missed less than a handfull of games in like 40 years.

If you wanna talk shit about Lamar Hunt, go follow the ****ing Falcons or something.

The Hunt family is pretty damned seedy. There are a shitload of scumbags infested in the familial lines. Hell, some of Lamar's brothers contributed to groups that helped fund Iran Contra. Of course, several were also convicted felons, and his dad was a man whore. Lamar himself was no saint as a businessman.

He turned a 25K investment into a multimillion dollar franchise. Good for him. But once he won the SB his level of interest waned significantly, which is why we had 2 GMs for 40 years and less than a handful of playoff wins.

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:21 AM

That is a completely different argument, you know the Pats core right now is a FA built core right?

Their drafts have really shit the bed as of late.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418310)
That is a completely different argument, you know the Pats core right now is a FA built core right?

Their drafts have really shit the bed as of late.

Child please. Brady, Seymour, Wilfork, Mayo, The O-line?

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-07-2010 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6418291)
Maybe Pioli makes a move for a guy like Cribbs we'll see.

Josh Cribbs is a nice player, but if he's what we're pinning our hopes on, they should just nuke the whole ****ing complex and start over.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6418309)
The Hunt family is pretty damned seedy. There are a shitload of scumbags infested in the familial lines. Hell, some of Lamar's brothers contributed to groups that helped fund Iran Contra. Of course, several were also convicted felons, and his dad was a man whore. Lamar himself was no saint as a businessman.

He turned a 25K investment into a multimillion dollar franchise. Good for him. But once he won the SB his level of interest waned significantly, which is why we had 2 GMs for 40 years and less than a handful of playoff wins.

Don't forget he was good friends with the Bush's. Politics aside look at how George W. Bush ran the Texas Rangers.

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:23 AM

Seymour isn't on that team right now so how does he count?

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418316)
Seymour isn't on that team right now so how does he count?

Now you're nitpicking. Most of the good Pats players were drafted and to fill holes Belichick/Pioli targeted talent from other teams and made moves for said talent.

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:24 AM

Also the Pats shitting the bed in the draft is why they still have a shitty RB and why their defense has faded, all of the young guys they drafted to come in and play suck ass aside from Mayo, who should be good any LB that went where he did should be that player.

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:25 AM

Most of their good players were drafted..

2 of their 3 best offensive players were not drafted by them...

They're awful at drafting rush backers even in their bowl winning years, Vrabel, Colvin, Thomas etc etc none of those guys were drafted by the Pats they're all FA moves.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418318)
Also the Pats shitting the bed in the draft is why they still have a shitty RB and why their defense has faded, all of the young guys they drafted to come in and play suck ass aside from Mayo, who should be good any LB that went where he did should be that player.

I'm not saying the Patriots are the best at drafting especially the last few drafts but then again I seem to remember you saying Dmitroff was in charge of drafting and Pioli was the guy that worked with Belichick signing free agents and trading for players.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418320)
Most of their good players were drafted..

2 of their 3 best offensive players were not drafted by them...

They're awful at drafting rush backers even in their bowl winning years, Vrabel, Colvin, Thomas etc etc none of those guys were drafted by the Pats they're all FA moves.

Colvin & Thomas weren't worth the money but still the defense was pretty good and they made a few super bowls.

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:28 AM

Well after this last draft I'm certainly not going to hold my breath because that was an epic disaster.

TigerPig 01-07-2010 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418320)
Most of their good players were drafted..

2 of their 3 best offensive players were not drafted by them...

They're awful at drafting rush backers even in their bowl winning years, Vrabel, Colvin, Thomas etc etc none of those guys were drafted by the Pats they're all FA moves.

But they also weren't the huge picks of the FA season. What makes NE so great is all of their picks (minus Moss, and maybe Corey Dillon) fly under the radar for the most part. They keep getting quality players to make a solid team.

They draft what they can, and fill in the rest, but without spending an obscene amount of money on a few players.

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6418327)
Colvin & Thomas weren't worth the money but still the defense was pretty good and they made a few super bowls.

The point is the Pats are a team that has spent a lot of FA money to build that team, we're not looking at the Colts or Ravens here or even the Eagles who are a mostly drafted team with some FA's sprinkled in.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 03:29 AM

I agree with you the last draft sucked but also I would give it a few years before saying it for sure.

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerPig (Post 6418329)
But they also weren't the huge picks of the FA season. What makes NE so great is all of their picks (minus Moss, and maybe Corey Dillon) fly under the radar for the most part. They keep getting quality players to make a solid team.

They draft what they can, and fill in the rest, but without spending an obscene amount of money on a few players.

Adalius Thomas has a gigantic contract...he was the #1 available LB his FA year so really lets not play that card.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418330)
The point is the Pats are a team that has spent a lot of FA money to build that team, we're not looking at the Colts or Ravens here or even the Eagles who are a mostly drafted team with some FA's sprinkled in.

Dude when the Patriots were good in the early 2000's the did the same thing Pioli is trying to do now. Build through the draft and acquire talent to fill holes. They signed alot of guys for small contracts, it wasn't until the mid-2000's if I remember correctly when they started signing guys to big contracts.

BossChief 01-07-2010 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418264)
So do you think we spent no money FA because Clark would only sign off on 1 move being Cassel factoring in the Jackson pick you know playing in that he's cheap...

Or was Pioli really naive to think this team had talent?

Let me get this straight?

You would be backing it if Pioli went full reerun in signing Haynesworth to that full reerun deal? How about Jason Brown to his reeruned deal? You think we had a chance at Canty or Igor? If you said yes, you know less about football than I thought and I have to reaccess my opinion of you.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418290)
I'm sorry, in the time I've been alive I can't say Lamar Hunt cared that much about the team winning games.

This definitely changed my opinion of you.

It is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read about any topic; football or non football related, in my entire 31 year old life. Congratulations!

Why exactly do you claim to like this team, again?

All I see is a guy that hates everything to do with his, supposed, loved team!

Im not sure I have read anything from any of your posts in all the time I have been here that would indicate that you even like this team.

I hate to say it and with all due respect, you seem to have the attitude of a quitter. You seem to have no feelings of hope that we can get better and that we will be stuck eternally in the cellar. If so, why claim to like the team, just go ahead and sell me all your Chiefs stuff and you can go and buy your Sanchez jersey like everyone knows you want to.

If you dont like the Weis hire, hate is blinding your objectivity.

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6418292)
He was a nice man but in my lifetime his franchise really did suck.

so, that is because he didnt want to win?

JFC

I forgot, his teams were always well below the salary cap and he just pocketed cash year in and year out without doing everything from his point of view to put good people in position to do a job for him and then somewhat let them do their job. If he medled in the affairs that are the GMs job, he would get criticized for it but because he tries to put the best man for the job in the position and let him work, he is the bad guy?

:shake:

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:34 AM

Good thing they did because they lacked talent because they drafted like crap....

The Patriots have a lot more in common with the Cowboys than they do the Eagles or Colts or Ravens.

The Cowboys have some nice draft picks but were largely built in FA, actually the Cowboys might have more draft picks playing for them than the Pats do. That's where we have to think about the perception of how teams were built since I assume most would not classify the Cowboys and Pats near each other in how they build teams.

Titty Meat 01-07-2010 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6418335)
Let me get this straight?

You would be backing it if Pioli went full reerun in signing Haynesworth to that full reerun deal? How about Jason Brown to his reeruned deal? You think we had a chance at Canty or Igor? If you said yes, you know less about football than I thought and I have to reaccess my opinion of you.



This definitely changed my opinion of you.

It is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read about any topic; football or non football related, in my entire 31 year old life. Congratulations!

Why exactly do you claim to like this team, again?

All I see is a guy that hates everything to do with his, supposed, loved team!

Im not sure I have read anything from any of your posts in all the time I have been here that would indicate that you even like this team.

I hate to say it and with all due respect, you seem to have the attitude of a quitter. You seem to have no feelings of hope that we can get better and that we will be stuck eternally in the cellar. If so, why claim to like the team, just go ahead and sell me all your Chiefs stuff and you can go and buy your Sanchez jersey like everyone knows you want to.

If you dont like the Weis hire, hate is blinding your objectivity.


so, that is because he didnt want to win?

JFC

I forgot, his teams were always well below the salary cap and he just pocketed cash year in and year out without doing everything from his point of view to put good people in position to do a job for him and then somewhat let them do their job. If he medled in the affairs that are the GMs job, he would get criticized for it but because he tries to put the best man for the job in the position and let him work, he is the bad guy?

:shake:

It has nothing to do with him being a bad guy, When I met him he was a nice guy but reguardless the team won only a few playoff games and he didn't do his job. He allowed Carl Peterson to hire his friends besides Marty I think every other coach Carl hired was a personal friend.

Mecca 01-07-2010 03:36 AM

I see that is a nerve for Boss Chief, I'm sorry I can't jump around with a happy hat on after a team being inept for upwards of 20 years.

Kinda makes you want evidence before you just you know say hey they know what they're doing.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-07-2010 03:36 AM

BossChief, you're going to have to get over the myth that this team was anything more than an investment and a passing hobby for Lamar for the last 30 years of his life.

BossChief 01-07-2010 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6418338)
It has nothing to do with him being a bad guy, When I met him he was a nice guy but reguardless the team won only a few playoff games and he didn't do his job. He allowed Carl Peterson to hire his friends besides Marty I think every other coach Carl hired was a personal friend.

dude, he got Vermeil in here and we were the ONLY team he didnt bring to a championship game/superbowl in his whole life!

UCLA
Philly
Rams
Chiefs

Marty was a Phillip Rivers away from a Championship team year in and year out. Too bad Joe couldnt have gotten here a little sooner.

I dont see how Lamar can be blamed for our team starting to suck after he passes and I damn sure wont sit idely by and let some bullshit mutherfuker sit from his moms basement on her computer and piss on the great mans grave!

Without the Hunts love for this fanbase and city, this team would have been moved to LA a long time ago.

TigerPig 01-07-2010 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6418330)
The point is the Pats are a team that has spent a lot of FA money to build that team, we're not looking at the Colts or Ravens here or even the Eagles who are a mostly drafted team with some FA's sprinkled in.

I think if people had any clue how much of a gamble the draft is, they wouldn't complain nearly as much. And I think if you took 32 GMs, put them in the same scenario (you are the GM for said team, need these certain things and have this pick), most of them would come up with the same answer.

If it wasn't a total guessing game, The Steelers wouldn't have picked Rashard Mendenhall and would have gone with the RB the Titans got with the next freaking pick... Chris Johnson.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-07-2010 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6418343)
dude, he got Vermeil in here and we were the ONLY team he didnt bring to a championship game/superbowl in his whole life!

UCLA
Philly
Rams
Chiefs

Marty was a Phillip Rivers away from a Championship team year in and year out. Too bad Joe couldnt have gotten here a little sooner.

I dont see how Lamar can be blamed for our team starting to suck after he passes and I damn sure wont sit idely by and let some bullshit mutherfuker sit from his moms basement on her computer and piss on the great mans grave!

Without the Hunts love for this fanbase and city, this team would have been moved to LA a long time ago.

If they loved this city so much, why don't they live here?

Jesus, take a Thorazine.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-07-2010 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerPig (Post 6418344)
I think if people had any clue how much of a gamble the draft is, they wouldn't complain nearly as much. And I think if you took 32 GMs, put them in the same scenario (you are the GM for said team, need these certain things and have this pick), most of them would come up with the same answer.

If it wasn't a total guessing game, The Steelers wouldn't have picked Rashard Mendenhall and would have gone with the RB the Titans with the next freaking pick... Chris Johnson.

Because the Steelers just got lucky.

It's not like they drafted Aaron Smith, Roethlisberger, Polamalu, Casey Hampton, Keisel, Holmes, Ward, Timmons, Woodley, Mike Wallace, Ziggy Hood, or Ike Taylor.

:facepalm:

They were looking for a power back in that spot. They had their speed guy in Parker. They needed a replacement for Bettis. They got the best power back available at that point in the draft.

TigerPig 01-07-2010 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6418347)
Jesus, take a Thorazine.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6418159)
kill yourself.

Uh, better take one yourself while you're at it.

I'll take one too, it'll be fun.

TigerPig 01-07-2010 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6418349)
Because the Steelers just got lucky.

It's not like they drafted Aaron Smith, Roethlisberger, Polamalu, Casey Hampton, Keisel, Holmes, Ward, Timmons, Woodley, Mike Wallace, Ziggy Hood, or Ike Taylor.

:facepalm:

They were looking for a power back in that spot. They had their speed guy in Parker. They needed a replacement for Bettis. They got the best power back available at that point in the draft.

And you seriously think we could replicate these results with ANY sort of personnel Pittsburgh would be willing to give up? Do you not think EVERY SINGLE fuckING TEAM in the league is trying to do the same thing they are? The people who are good enough that make this stuff happen? Yeah, we're never going to get them, they are already taken. They will never leave the franchises they are from, so you have to find the best person AVAILABLE. You have to make your own Pittsburgh.

And like I said before. It must suck to hate the current regime this much cause they aren't going anywhere for a while. I suggest you stop watching if it infuriates you this much.

BossChief 01-07-2010 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6418340)
BossChief, you're going to have to get over the myth that this team was anything more than an investment and a passing hobby for Lamar for the last 30 years of his life.

it does indeed strike a ****ing nerve with me because if they didnt care about winning, only money, they could have moved the team to LA and CASHED IN BIG TIME!

They didnt!

They spent their cash on Cassel and the best available GM candidate then tried to get the biggest FA out there signed till Scrooge McDuck came in on his white horse and his 100 million to get him no matter what. They spent 100s of millions to update the historic Arrowhead instead of blowing it up and spending that money in a market that is 100 times bigger than KCs or just destroying the stadium and its history and building a brand new one without any history, thats love!

Lamar Hunt lived in Texas and flew in for EVERY game and cheered like a HS kid when we scored. He was a great owner! We almost never lost our own players, we just didnt have the people in place to draft like the great teams did. Lamar trusted CP more and longer than he should have, but he knew his history of building winners and trusted him to do his job to the best of his ability. I think he was sold into CPs slickness and made a mistake when we had the whole Marty/CP blowup, but whatever.

Say all you want about Clark, I have reserved judgement on him, but dont piss on Lamars grave!


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