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Hootie 01-08-2010 06:00 PM

Favre lost key games down the stretch...looked like the normal Brett Favre against the Cardinals and Panthers...that dropped him to #2 in my opinion...

The Packers were 25:1 to win the Super Bowl at the beginning of the week and now 16:1...

Wish I would have hopped on when I wanted to...

I think out of all the NFC teams...the team I CAN'T see getting to the Super Bowl is the Saints and they are the #1 seed...

That defense reminds me of the 2003 Chiefs defense...they were getting all sorts of turnovers to start the year...then offenses figured them out...and then they were a major, major, major liability and eventually cost the Chiefs a shot at a Super Bowl....

Same thing with the Saints this year...1 and done.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424974)
Did you not watch the Vikings this year? Peterson almost never ever had an impact this season. I love AP, but he had a bad year for himself and was benched a few times throughout the season to Chester Taylor.

exactly the Vikes were a passing team this year for sure.

Hootie 01-08-2010 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6424978)
But there were at least two games both Losses that manning did not help his team at all. Not his fault I know but-he only played 14 games and had 16 picks in those games.

you're referencing the two games they rested all of their players in?!

Haha...

Dude Manning is going to win it...get over it. He was the MVP.

kstater 01-08-2010 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6424917)
But he sat the last two games and threw 3 Ints in 2 seperate games. 16 picks this year!! some of them lame ducks just floating away.

I dont think mangina deserves it.

So Favre didn't deserve it in 97? He threw 16 picks that year.

Hootie 01-08-2010 06:02 PM

they were a passing team with a 1500 yard running back who scored 18 teams...I agree.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 06:02 PM

rivers was much better than mangina in my opinion

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6424983)
exactly the Vikes were a passing team this year for sure.

They could not ever run to set up the pass. They had to pass to set up the run. Peterson often could not find the hole in time and was usually stuffed for no gain or loss when they ran. Then Favre would bail them out with a 3rd down pass.

Hootie 01-08-2010 06:03 PM

I really think the winner of the Cards/Packers game or the Cowboys represent the NFC...I don't have any faith in the Saints...and I really don't have a lot of faith in postseason Favre.

OnTheWarpath15 01-08-2010 06:03 PM

Adrian Peterson didn't have an impact this year?

5th in the league in rushing, 1st in rushing TD's.

OnTheWarpath15 01-08-2010 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6424994)
I really think the winner of the Cards/Packers game or the Cowboys represent the NFC...I don't have any faith in the Saints...and I really don't have a lot of faith in postseason Favre.

Agree.

I think 1/2 both are one-and-done.

Hootie 01-08-2010 06:04 PM

in the AFC...the Chargers or Colts are locks...

the NFC is trickier this year than any postseason race I can remember since I started following the NFL

OnTheWarpath15 01-08-2010 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6424985)
you're referencing the two games they rested all of their players in?!

Haha...

Dude Manning is going to win it...get over it. He was the MVP.

I think he deserves it as well, but you're setting yourself up for a epic fail.

I can see the voters going Full reerun and going with Favre because of the storylines.

Hootie 01-08-2010 06:06 PM

well I do think Favre is somewhat MVP worthy so it wouldn't that big of an upset...

But I think the voters are smart enough to realize what kind of impact Peyton Manning has on the Colts...

Hell, unless Tom Brady goes all 2007...Manning should probably win every year. If voters want to vote to change things up a little then that is their prerogative.

Rivers is a hell of a QB as well...couldn't go wrong with him as the MVP, either...but he has little to no buzz for some reason. Hell...I even forgot to put him on my 1st list.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6425002)
I think he deserves it as well, but you're setting yourself up for a epic fail.

I can see the voters going Full reerun and going with Favre because of the storylines.

I dont see them giving to a QB that threw 16 picks in 14 games and in stretches looked terrible. Rivers should get it over manning if it comes down to it.

Hootie 01-08-2010 06:08 PM

I really wanted to put in bets for a Colts/Packers and Chargers/Packers Super Bowl matchups...such great odds and you can hedge your bets to be a winner every round as long as the Packers beat the Cards round 1...I still am in the process of crunching those numbers..

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6424995)
Adrian Peterson didn't have an impact this year?

5th in the league in rushing, 1st in rushing TD's.

They force fed him the ball, but he did not have an impact to the extent of his previous 2 years.

Besides he was behind MJD at 6th in rushing. Most of those TD's he was given at the 1 or 2 yard line after Favre had driven them downfield.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6425008)
well I do think Favre is somewhat MVP worthy so it wouldn't that big of an upset...

But I think the voters are smart enough to realize what kind of impact Peyton Manning has on the Colts...

Hell, unless Tom Brady goes all 2007...Manning should probably win every year. If voters want to vote to change things up a little then that is their prerogative.

Rivers is a hell of a QB as well...couldn't go wrong with him as the MVP, either...but he has little to no buzz for some reason. Hell...I even forgot to put him on my 1st list.

Rivers has zero Buzz-i have not heard of anyone even mentioning him. But mangina gets all the buzz because of his commercials and how much money he brings into the NFl. He should not have won the SB MVP in my opinion either.

Hootie 01-08-2010 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6425010)
I dont see them giving to a QB that threw 16 picks in 14 games and in stretches looked terrible. Rivers should get it over manning if it comes down to it.

I can remember ONE game where Peyton Manning looked "terrible"...I watched nearly every Colts game...can you name that ONE game?

Halfcan 01-08-2010 06:10 PM

Matt Schaub had a better year than manning as well.

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6424987)
they were a passing team with a 1500 yard running back who scored 18 teams...I agree.

where did 1500 come from?

Hootie 01-08-2010 06:11 PM

Well I'll spill it...

He was GOD AWFUL in the 2nd half against Denver...was making throws that made me wonder if I was watching Peyton Manning...

But of course as soon as they needed him to ice the game he had his signature Peyton Manning drive in the 4th quarter to put the game away...

That's the only time this year where he had a "terrible" stretch...one quarter of one game.

Matt Cassel had like 4 picks through the first 6 games or so...INT's don't always paint the whole picture.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6425022)
I can remember ONE game where Peyton Manning looked "terrible"...I watched nearly every Colts game...can you name that ONE game?

well he had 3 pick games twice i believe. I am just not a fan-their D bailed them out of a lot of games as well.

Hootie 01-08-2010 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6425031)
where did 1500 come from?

it was an educated guess

OnTheWarpath15 01-08-2010 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6425022)
I can remember ONE game where Peyton Manning looked "terrible"...I watched nearly every Colts game...can you name that ONE game?

I'd be curious to hear a response to this question as well.

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6425028)
Matt Schaub had a better year than manning as well.

:facepalm:

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6425037)
it was an educated guess

ok.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6425034)
Well I'll spill it...

He was GOD AWFUL in the 2nd half against Denver...was making throws that made me wonder if I was watching Peyton Manning...

But of course as soon as they needed him to ice the game he had his signature Peyton Manning drive in the 4th quarter to put the game away...

That's the only time this year where he had a "terrible" stretch...one quarter of one game.

Matt Cassel had like 4 picks through the first 6 games or so...INT's don't always paint the whole picture.

he had some bad throws in the Pats game-not as many picks but looked bad til the last drive.

Hootie 01-08-2010 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6425028)
Matt Schaub had a better year than manning as well.

Statistically? Sure, maybe. Close.

But Matt Schaub was also the guy who would put up monster 1st halves only to tuck his tail between his legs when the game mattered most and turn in awful 2nd half stretches as well as throwing costly INT's last in the game and in the 2nd half all year...

If there was an MVP for the 1st half of every NFL game over the 17 week season...Matt Schaub is my MVP, too.

Hootie 01-08-2010 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6425036)
well he had 3 pick games twice i believe. I am just not a fan-their D bailed them out of a lot of games as well.

you know their defense is average, at best...and only play WELL when they have the lead...

You're acting as if Peyton Manning is playing with Mark Sanchez' defense.

KCrockaholic 01-08-2010 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6425045)
you know their defense is average, at best...and only play WELL when they have the lead...

You're acting as if Peyton Manning is playing with Mark Sanchez' defense.

Their D was a top 3 team during the 1st 10 games. Then they fell a bit towards the second half of the season. They are not "average".

OnTheWarpath15 01-08-2010 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6425043)
Statistically? Sure, maybe. Close.

But Matt Schaub was also the guy who would put up monster 1st halves only to tuck his tail between his legs when the game mattered most and turn in awful 2nd half stretches as well as throwing costly INT's last in the game and in the 2nd half all year...

If there was an MVP for the 1st half of every NFL game over the 17 week season...Matt Schaub is my MVP, too.

This.

He was on all three of my FF teams this year, and it never failed. Dude would put up 270 and 2-3 TD's in the first half, and then fell of the ****ing grid in the 2nd half.

Halfcan 01-08-2010 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6425045)
you know their defense is average, at best...and only play WELL when they have the lead...

You're acting as if Peyton Manning is playing with Mark Sanchez' defense.

mangina has been in that same offense for what 7 years with most of the same guys-Brett was mowing his yard til a couple of days before the season started and missed all preseason-he did that with rookies and no names. He carried that team on his back.

Buck 01-08-2010 06:18 PM

When do they announce the MVP?

Hootie 01-08-2010 06:18 PM

top 3 in what?

I don't even know what that shit means? Yards against? Points against?

I go by what I watch. That defense is nothing spectacular...they have a good pass rush on 3rd downs...that's about the best compliment I can come up with for that team.

The Franchise 01-08-2010 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6424843)
Thats true. But for Peyton he was not the same player as he has been in the past. He does not prove worthy of getting that award over Favre, Brees, or even Aaron Rodgers.

Statistically speaking......this is one of Peyton Manning's top 3 seasons.

2009:

4500 yards
33 TDs / 16 INTs
Comp.% 68.8
99.9 rating

2004:

4557 yards
49 TDs / 10 INTs
Comp.% 67.6
121.1 rating

2006:

4397 yards
31 TDs / 9 INTs
Comp.% 65
101.0


This year he had his highest completion percentage, second highest amount of yards, second highest TDs and 4th highest rating.

The Franchise 01-08-2010 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6425052)
mangina has been in that same offense for what 7 years with most of the same guys-Brett was mowing his yard til a couple of days before the season started and missed all preseason-he did that with rookies and no names. He carried that team on his back.

Carried the team on his back? Just like Jackson did last year when he took them to the playoffs?

Hootie 01-08-2010 06:22 PM

the excuses against Peyton Manning never cease to amaze me...

It's always weapons this or weapons that...guess what...

He made Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon look like star players this year...

He does the same thing year in and year out regardless of his supporting cast...

They benched his starting RB and starting LT against the Jets and if you rewatch that 1st half he didn't get touched one time, made every right read, and slightly overthrew Wayne once, and Clark dropped a long one otherwise they go up 21-3 at half and the Jets never make the playoffs.

The dude reads the defense and makes the right throw 8 or 9 times out of 10...he does it ever year...and I'm amazed every time I watch him play.

If they want to give the MVP to Favre, Rivers, Rodgers, Brees or Johnson...I'm not going to cry about it...I don't really even care...they all had great years...

But if we're talking about who is the most valuable player to their team...it is Peyton Manning and it is probably Peyton Manning every year...might as well rename it the Peyton Manning award until he retires if you ask me.

OnTheWarpath15 01-08-2010 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6425056)
top 3 in what?

I don't even know what that shit means? Yards against? Points against?

I go by what I watch. That defense is nothing spectacular...they have a good pass rush on 3rd downs...that's about the best compliment I can come up with for that team.

Agreed again.

That defense is the epitome of average.

18th in total defense.

8th in scoring defense.

14th in passing defense.

24th in rushing defense.

cdcox 01-08-2010 06:25 PM

Manning beat the Fins by throwing for over 300 yards with less than 15 minutes time of possession. Yeah, he had a down year. Yeah, any old QB could have done that.

OnTheWarpath15 01-08-2010 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 6425072)
Manning beat the Fins by throwing for over 300 yards with less than 15 minutes time of possession. Yeah, he had a down year. Yeah, any old QB could have done that.

I'd be interested to know if it has ever been done before.

I'm guessing no.

Buck 01-08-2010 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 6425072)
Manning beat the Fins by throwing for over 300 yards with less than 15 minutes time of possession. Yeah, he had a down year. Yeah, any old QB could have done that.

That game may have been one of the craziest statistical anomalies I have ever seen.

Hootie 01-08-2010 06:27 PM

when the Chiefs suck I always pick a team or two to bandwagon on to give me something to cheer for...

The Colts have been my #2 team ever since the 2003 no punt game and where I fell hard for Peyton Manning...so usually I bandwagon on another team just for fun and this year I chose the Texans...I love that team...but Matt Schaub is what he is...

and I'm not so sure it was as much Schaub as Kubiak...they have this great gameplan every game...and then they are unstoppable on offense...they get up by 2-3 scores...and then all of the sudden they go super conservative and it ruins their whole flow...the dude has no attack mode...I mean, he does...but he uses it right away and then goes into a shell once they get that lead...it makes no sense...they blew the Colts game, and tried their best to blow the Dolphins game...they blew the Cardinals game...and they were clearly the better team against the Patriots week 17 and tried their very hardest to lose that game even though they made an impressive comeback in the 4th quarter...

The fact that team is sitting at home while the Jets are in the playoffs sickens me to an extent where I can't wait for the Jets to beat the Bengals (something I think happens) and getting that rematch with Indy...

Do I think they have any shot in the world of beating the Colts? No. But I will absolutely root for it so Caldwell can realize how stupid he was for pissing on their momentum and putting so much added pressure on their shoulders for that bullshit he pulled in week 16.

cdcox 01-08-2010 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding (Post 6425076)
That game may have been one of the craziest statistical anomalies I have ever seen.

And probably one of the best performances at QB I've ever seen.

Touchdown Bowe 01-08-2010 07:01 PM

**** Manning

Brees had his come from behind wins too
Brees has the higher QB rating, more TDs, fewer picks, and the higher passing completion percentage

boogblaster 01-08-2010 07:20 PM

I like Pay but Favre could win it if they get to the SB ....

Reerun_KC 01-08-2010 07:21 PM

I want Cassel to win it, just to piss everyone off..

Touchdown Bowe 01-08-2010 07:22 PM

I wish everybody would pull their heads out of Mannings ass

MahiMike 01-08-2010 08:39 PM

The best QB of all time - PM.

Pioli Zombie 01-08-2010 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6425368)
The best QB of all time - PM.

Holy Shit that's stupid.
Posted via Mobile Device

DJJasonp 01-08-2010 10:40 PM

I still dont get all the hate for Favre....

It's not like he helped kill a guy (Ray Lewis)....or suspended for pot multiple times (Ricky Williams)....Is an immature prick (Rivers/Cutler)......I could go and on and on...

There's a lot more players in the NFL in line before Favre to hate on.

Easy 6 01-08-2010 10:46 PM

Favre! Favre... ya gotta love Brett FAVRE!1! folks...

Brett Favre is creeping up on Brett Favres 1906 record of Most Favres!

I dont give a sh*t what anyone says... you can see the obvious respect & love from his current teammates as he provides them with yet another opportunity to shine & vice/versa.

FAVRE.

Lumpy 01-08-2010 10:51 PM

Voted Favre. That good 'ol boy still has a powerful arm.

Haters, bite me. :p

LaChapelle 01-08-2010 11:03 PM

Favre must be constipated
haven't heard about him in days

LOCOChief 01-08-2010 11:03 PM

No Kurt Warner? Oversight? only time will tell.

Mr. Flopnuts 01-08-2010 11:50 PM

Talk about a year when it's an obvious choice. 2000 is impressive, but Peyton is God right now.

Mr. Flopnuts 01-08-2010 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Touchdown Bowe (Post 6425169)
**** Manning

Brees had his come from behind wins too
Brees has the higher QB rating, more TDs, fewer picks, and the higher passing completion percentage

The only players Peyton Manning has, are the players Peyton Manning made.

Hog's Gone Fishin 01-09-2010 04:24 AM

I'm surprized nobodys mentioned Bernard Pollard !

Touchdown Bowe 01-09-2010 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6425660)
The only players Peyton Manning has, are the players Peyton Manning made.

Peyton didnt make anybody..JFC if Reggie Wayne was drafted by the Eagles instead of the Colts, he'd still be Reggie Wayne

Easy 6 01-09-2010 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6425660)
The only players Peyton Manning has, are the players Peyton Manning made.

Quite true, they wouldnt even be in the playoffs without him.

Same could be said of Brees... but Peyton is an Undeniable All Time Master, he deserved the MVP.

Mama Hip Rockets 01-09-2010 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 6425568)
I still dont get all the hate for Favre....

It's not like he helped kill a guy (Ray Lewis)....or suspended for pot multiple times (Ricky Williams)....Is an immature prick (Rivers/Cutler)......I could go and on and on...

There's a lot more players in the NFL in line before Favre to hate on.

It is incredibly easy to hate Brett Favre. Every year for the last three or four years, the man can't decide if he wants to play or retire, which has to be extremely annoying and frustrating to fans and players of the teams he has been on.

milkman 01-09-2010 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 6428820)
It is incredibly easy to hate Brett Favre. Every year for the last three or four years, the man can't decide if he wants to play or retire, which has to be extremely annoying and frustrating to fans and players of the teams he has been on.

I've always felt that good old country boy just wants to have a good time personna of his has been as phony as Jerry Jones faces.

I've never liked the guy for that reason.

Kyle DeLexus 01-09-2010 10:37 PM

So much Peyton hate....the guy is the greatest QB of all time. All he needs to do is win another SB and no one will dispute that in the future.

Touchdown Bowe 01-09-2010 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 6429125)
So much Peyton hate....the guy is the greatest QB of all time. All he needs to do is win another SB and no one will dispute that in the future.

I rank Brady & Montana ahead of Manning


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