How would people know that he was dominant at something he never did? Yeeeaaah that's a bit of a problem to explain now isn't it?

He played nose last year in a 40 front, and then got to play some 3-tech at times too. He isn't a natural pass rusher. Sapp was. I don't care about what the stats say, it's like saying because some corner has the same number of picks that he's equal in coverage to another guy. It's meaningless. Again, just a case where Hamas doesn't know what he's talking about yet won't shut up about it.

Sapp had 3 sacks as a rookie, Dorsey had 1. Dumbass.

Got me on that one. I thought he only had 1.

:shake: Romo is a developed franchise qb IMHO.
If you think Dorsey was never used to shoot gaps in LSU, you are a fool that never watched the games. Sorry bud. Just because he only did it in limited opportunities doesnt mean he NEVER did it as you are saying.

You dont get the type of production he did behind the line of scrimmage by only 2 gapping.

No, you get 12.5 TFL, 69 tackles, and 7.5 sacks as being a space eating DT; That's obvious.

Here's the funny part

I say That the Phillips scheme is a 1 gap scheme, TheTardian flips out, saying that he runs more than just one base set (no shit).

He says that Dorsey played in a 2 gap scheme, and that's all he ever did.

Consistent and logical.

Yes you did. I saw every game the guy played and he ate up two bodies almost every play. He was not a gap shooter. You don't have a ****ing clue either.

I said Dorsey was a 2 gap guy in college, i.e. that's the majority of what he played in. Phillips runs a 1 gap and gap and a half scheme where EVEN IN THE BASE DEFENSE one, two, or even three of the defensive line will be asked to occupy 2 gaps. Some 40 front coordinators do the same thing, where it's not a true 1 gap nor 2 gap scheme. The difference is I know this shit, and you don't but I'm sure you'll have some kind of snappy comeback that's supposed to make up for that fact.

Phillips' base defense is a one gap scheme. The other alterations are wrinkles, but it doesn't obviate what his base scheme is.

I'm just laughing at your wanton hypocrisy, because Dorsey playing in a two gap is almost all he does (and a little becomes very little), and then he's not a 1 gap guy, he's a 2 gap guy, and then he becomes a 1.5 gap guy.

You'd fit well in the DC forum, as you alter your ethics and argument to suit the situation.

Im not here to get into a pissing match, but if you claim to have watched all of LSUs games (which is BS, Im sure. Simply used to try and buy credibility in this conversation when all it does is show that you will say anything to try to win a debate even if the bullets you are firing are blanks) and have come to these conclusions, you dont know shit.

One second you are quoting the player as saying he was mostly a 2 gapper but was let loose on occasion, now you are saying that he NEVER shot gaps.

Which one is it?

I call a spade a spade, I have backed your side of discussions that you were right in, but in this one you arent on that side.

Sorry.

End of story. But Im sure you will make it into the neverending story.

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I did what?

Umm just because he was double teamed dosnt mean he was 2 gapping....

bump.

LMAO

HOOOOOOOOOTIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE..

COME OUT AND PLAYAAAAAAAYYYY.

I'm right here...

So is every playoff loss when you are an underdog a choke?

When you look like ass the entire game. Yeah

I'm not even going to make any excuses for Romo...

But lets be honest...is the better team winning right now, or no?

I've gotten this whole ****ing postseason wrong...but I did say before I predicted a thing...this NFC has been the toughest conference to predict since I started following football...

I was convinced the Cowboys and Cardinals were going to win...and the Cardinals got smoked...and the Cowboys clearly look to be the inferior team.

yeah I lurked the Colts game thread yesterday...

Peyton Manning wanted to lose and Tony Romo is a choker...I get it.

Nevermind the fact the Cowboys offensive line is getting pwned right now...

It's always the QB's fault...

Which is why I always put the reverse hammer on Brady...

I am getting ready to go 3-0 and the Bolts can make it 4-0 although I wouldnot mind the Bolts making me 3-1~

Actually, Dallas was viewed as a better team on a neutral field, which is why they were +2.5.

And losing when you're an underdog isn't a choke. Taking 6 sacks, fumbling 3 times, losing 2 of them, and throwing a back breaking pick to give the other team the ball in the red zone, however, is a choke.

you're right

Tony Romo is the worst QB in the NFL and Peyton Manning tried his hardest to choke yesterday and had a terrible game and is lucky his defense bailed him out

I love it when you have no argument and have to resort to putting words that others never said into their mouths.

any "smart" NFL fan...which I'm not sure hamas is...

would know that the NFC was a huge toss up...no "expert" had any idea what was going to happen...

me and OTWP have been 100% wrong predicting the NFC playoff picture and he's your boy

what can I say?

Tony Romo hasn't had a great game...that's pretty easy to see...

But he didn't really have a chance, either.

Just like Tom Brady.

I'm pretty sure he shouldn't be turning it over 3 times, the 2 early fumbles killed his team.

and don't try and bullshit me hamas...you argue just to argue...

you tried arguing that a pick 6 was more devastating than a season ending interception on a drive that could have landed your team in the super bowl...

and then you tried backing up your claim with the fact that one led to points while the other one didn't...

According to you, Tom Brady cost his team the game by choking last week..

Now, he didn't have a chance.

ROFL ROFL

wow in comes the guy who tried saying Carson Palmer was an MVP candidate! ROFL

Romo has played a bad game just like the rest of his team!

If Romo and Peyton Manning lose, it's a choke job no matter what...

I had milkman referencing the two playoff losses to the Chargers the past two seasons and he was trying to pin those on Peyton Manning...

I get it...

Peyton and Tony choke...

Tom Brady's team lets him down.

you're saying Tom Brady faced more pressure than Tony Romo?

I'd say it's pretty equivalent.

There's a difference between losing when your QB has a mediocre game, a touchdown a pick, and an unimpressive completion %, and when your QB repeatedly puts the ball on the turf, throws picks deep in his own territory, and takes sacks that put the team out of FG range.

If it's equivalent, then why did you claim Brady choked and Romo just had a bad day and played for an inferior team?

If you want my honest stance...it's pretty simple...

I think the QB choke is a complete myth.

A lot of people talk about Tony Romo as a choker and reference his playoff loss to the Giants in 2007.

He played a HELL of a game against the Giants that year and single-handedly gave them a chance to win that game...his teammates let him down (Patrick Crayton)...yet people say he choked that game simply because he's Tony Romo.

Peyton Manning is clearly better than Tom Brady...always has been and always will be...yet people use the argument that he's a playoff choker to try and promote Tom Brady (since they have nothing else)...

So any time Tom Brady loses I turn the table and call him a choker and everyone goes hog wild since Tom Brady is a proven winner and isn't capable of choking.

I lurked the whole Colts thread yesterday and especially loved the way hamas and OTWP were trying their very hardest to, without saying it, paint Peyton Manning as a huge choke artist who merely caught all the breaks.

It was fascinating.

That's some pretty impressive revisionist history.

"It was obviously just tongue in cheek!"

is the first part of your post about brady last week? if so did you even watch that game?
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Point to one post where I did this.

Was I mocking you in saying that he caused those fumbles that their defense did? Yeah.

Did I in any way allude that he's a choker? Nope.

Was I lampooning your fanboi reactions? Definitely.

Reading comprehension > Golden Showers.

if we're going to paint every playoff loss as a choke...I'm going to reference Tom Brady...plain and simple.

He threw 1 whole TD pass in the entire 2001 postseason.

The guy is just so overrated it sickens me.

how can anyone watch him and watch peyton manning and come to the conclusion that Tom Brady is better?

That is insane.

Then perhaps you should ground your critiques in stats and evidence and not become so inured to the idea that Manning is better that you lose any pretense of objectivity.

You can't conduct an argument without resorting to pure propaganda, and that's why you always fail in convincing people. There's no acknowledgement of the merits of the other side whatsoever. It's Peyton Manning is the greatest and Tom Brady is the worst. It's Fox News levels of intelligence.

If you want people to believe that Manning is better than Brady, at least be intellectually honest enough to give Brady some credit, because whether or not you like it, he's a hall of fame quarterback.

well at least you're admitting to what we both know...

You know as well as I do what you were doing in that thread yesterday...

eventually Romo was going to lose a game, and QBs dont usually put up good numbers when their team loses.

Wha???

ROFL

You might want to try reading that post again.

I've always admitted he is a hall of fame QB...

and I've always stood by my reasoning why he is a hall of fame QB...

He's a talented guy...the Patriots made him a game manager in 2001...and he did an amazing job...he did exactly what the coaching staff asked him to do...the Patriots won a Super Bowl...he didn't **** up...they probably cheated (how else do they hold the Rams to 3 points through 3 quarters???)...but that's beside the point...the Patriots beat the Rams...Tom Brady was the QB...

Suddenly this young 6th round pick is a Super Bowl winner...he gains all sorts of confidence and swagger...they trade Bledsoe..he's the toast of town...can do no wrong...

Confident guy, lots of swagger...suddenly he becomes TOM BRADY...

Plain and simple...that's what a Super Bowl can do for a guy...

If Tom Brady was the Chiefs 6th round pick...what are the odds he's our starting QB in 2010? What are the odds that he's TOM BRADY...1st ballot hall of famer?

Exactly.

If we won the Peyton Manning lottery...

Would the Chiefs have set the record for most wins in a decade?

How about the Bengals? Browns?

Peyton Manning was destined for greatness no matter what...he's a once in a lifetime QB...best QB of all time...as perfect as we'll ever see...

Tom Brady...1st ballot hall of famer...tripped into the perfect situation...

you can try and deflect all you want but what's true is true

I thought it was between the cards/cowboys/packers in the NFC...

I was convinced the Saints were 1 and done...

the NFC was a mess to predict this year...

even Vegas was confused so I don't feel so bad

This thread makes me go lolz.

IMHO
Romo has the talent to do good things, he has good players around him as well.

However, once he starts getting pressured his i.q. drops 50 points.
He is not a big game quarterback. That may change in the future but it's not looking very likely.

He needs a big name coach to come in and work with him. Wade's just not cutting the mustard.
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Even Hootie thinks Hootie went plaidtard yesterday.

He's not a big game QB? ROFL

Of course not...easy to say when he loses.

Lets all get together and watch the Cowboys/Giants postseason game from 2007...and then after the game I want you all to look me in the eye and tell me Tony Romo is the reason they lost that game and he's not a big game QB.

So, bring me up to speed here.

Who has put the clown suit on whom?

Dinny

Oh great...here comes Baby Lee with his awesome commentary.

Yeah...

I think it's hilarious.

I was hanging out with friends and was pretty bummed out after the cards game but we all knew the Colts were going to tear the Ravens apart...they had no chance with Flacco...

and yeah...that's the same team that made the Patriots look like clowns...

but Tom Brady has no weapons...so I guess he gets a pass.

Shouldn't you be running up a bar tab at a strip club or something

Hamas said Tony Romo was one of the worst QB's in the NFL...

Now that the Cowboys have lost in the playoffs to a team they were favored to lose against...

Apparently I'm the idiot for thinking Romo is one of the best QB's in the NFL...

Because what Hamas says is gospel...

Remember the early season drama with Romo...where the Cowboys lost a couple in a row and everyone started piling on Romo?

Well in a Carson Palmer thread where I was being mocked for calling him super overrated (funny how that turned out)...I was also saying I thought Romo was a great QB...Hamas was, of course, saying how great and clutch Carson Palmer was (lol at that) and referred to Tony Romo as flat out taint...

So this is his first chance to get some of his dignity back.

I need to after this weekend...the Cardinals stuck it to me...no lube

Which is why you started a thread yesterday equating that Brady was Cassel.

Hootie, dude... Really?

Even a blind squrrel finds a nut occasionally. The guy loses more big games then wins. What's the guys record in potential season ending games?
I'm not here to argue. You have your opinion, and I have mine. Big numbers and wins can be, (and often are) two different things.
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you know what really hurts me?

I have to finally admit to my Brett Favre biased roommates that he MIGHT NOT actually be the overrated piece of shit I've painted him to be the past 6 years of our lives.

He is truly playing the part of "Brett Favre: The Legend!" this year and he's doing it without much help from Adrian Peterson.

Best pump fake I've ever seen.

and Michael Jordan was a perennial loser for half of his NBA career.

no...

I was laughing because of the bash on Cassel if you must know.

That win yesterday, as with their previous SB, was the sequelae of the Colt's defense stepping up in the postseason, and Peyton playing the game manager role. 20 points is by no means a 'tearing apart'

the hilarious thing about this is...

Romo has been a starter for 3 full years now...

This is really the 1st bad playoff game he's ever played...and the Cowboys were clearly the inferior team...1 to 53...

but we're going to put the loss on Romo's shoulders because it's convenient.

Favre in the post-season in a single visual

http://www.heart-valve-surgery.com/Images/forrest.jpg

lol

Oh, and btw Hootie, I agree that Palmer's overated, (especially since his injuries.)
The dude started out on fire, but since the knee went out, he's not the same guy.
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Peyton Manning completed 30-of-44 passes for 246 yards, two touchdowns, and one interception to lead the Colts over the Ravens in the Divisional Round of the playoffs, 20-3.
Manning averaged just 5.6 yards per attempt against a tough Ravens defense, but he was able to lead the offense on multiple scoring drives with a short, controlled attack. He also brilliantly convinced coach Jim Caldwell to eschew a field goal attempt in favor of one more shot at the end zone just before the half, effectively putting a low-scoring game out of reach. Manning and the Colts will host the Jets-Chargers winner next week.

You're right, a proper game manager wouldn't have coughed up that pick.

hey baby lee...at what point in that Ravens game did they ever push Manning to have to do anything but just manage the lead?

everyone is always quick to give the credit to anyone BUT peyton manning...especially on his Super Bowl run...

but I do know that there were two times in that postseason the colts were trailing...

21-3 to the Patriots
7-0 to the Bears

and both times who came up big for the Colts?

and I can't wait for the threads next week...it's going to be like Damon Huard all over again...

I predicted two weeks ago that the Chargers were going to beat the Colts...I think they are the better team...I think the Colts only chance is a perfect game by Peyton Manning...and even then I think that defense needs to force ONE turnover...something...

but if the Chargers win it's going to all deflect on me...

ROFLROFLROFL

Exactly.

The Colts win in the postseason and it's EVERYONE but Peyton Manning doing their job.

Which is why you said:

yeah but the problem is I said this two years ago and was mocked by EVERYONE

just like when I said Huard was our best option in 2006...

no big deal...hamas has a loud voice on this forum but if you want to look at the facts...

what I know about the NFL > what hamas knows about the NFL

ROFLROFL

So a thread has never evolved into something else?

Are you kidding?

I laughed at that part of Simmons' article and posted it here because it was hilarious. Cassel was atrocious this year and Brady played so bad Simmons' dad sent him a sarcastic text about Cassel.

Now...

Lets get to the quote you just posted.

That is totally, 100% true.

The PATRIOTS won 3 Super Bowls...

The PATRIOTS featuring Tom Brady in the Peyton Manning role have won NOTHING.

this whole topic makes me weep for the human race

It's funny that you laugh...

Show me a few posts of things I've said about this year that are false..

I said all along Carson Palmer was super overrated and had little to do with the success of the Bengals...and you, Mecca...were all over the early season success (even though it was the Bengals winning with a good running game and solid defense, like I stated)...mecca even started a thread claiming Palmer was an MVP candidate...

oh...

and mecca bashing me because I said Chris Johnson was the best running back in the NFL before the season? ROFL

Or me nailing the NFC 1-6 in the midseason playoff contest? How many did you get right hamas?

Just because you come up with clever insults doesn't mean you know what the **** you are talking about...

Just remember you did take Vernon Gholston #1 overall...and college football is supposedly your "specialty"...

You don't know ANYTHING =)

Brady was clearly the best player on that entire offense the last two times they won the SB and he was the unquestioned leader of the team.

The above post should warrant prosecution for dumbassery.

Under constant duress with OTs Marc Colombo and Flozell Adams (and Doug Free after Adams got hurt) getting beat relentlessly by Vikes edge rushers Ray Edwards and Jared Allen, Romo took six sacks and got nothing going downfield.

Man that Tony Romo sure is a choker.

yeah...

I agree...

he was the best player on the offense and the best player on the team...and their unquestioned leader...

I have never disagreed with any of that...ever.

No, the fact that you only ever can come up with one thing to bash me on and there is a Library of Congress to drop on you shows who really knows more than the other.

And FTR, please check out the last two years of my draft picks. I even updated the '09 picks for you the other day.

That's not being a game manager. You disagreed with it just yesterday.

I don't know how anyone could be that ****ing dumb.

Just because you try your hardest to come up with clever insults doesn't mean your posts ever have any substance...

You know as well as I do that I was right all year long and that's why you "bumped" this thread...to try and save a little dignity.

I wish I could link you to the Tom Brady/Peyton Manning threads I used to go pages and pages and pages against others in 2003 on thedilly.com...but that board is gone...

I used to be the overwhelming minority...everyone referring to Peyton Manning as a choker...the only argument anyone ever had for Tom Brady was his "postseason success"...

what now?

Oh yeah...

Now it's...

Peyton Manning is a pussy who doesn't take hits and refuses to stand in the pocket and doesn't let his receivers finish their routes...

ROFL

Wow.