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Mecca 01-17-2010 02:07 AM

Oakland plays a lot of cover 1, very few safeties succeed there because of it. Now on that note, Berry is more naturally gifted than Huff and has a better read on passes ball skills etc.

Huff spent time switching back and forth between CB and safety at Texas and was really a tweener, where Berry has never played corner. Berry is a better football player than Huff where Huff is a great athlete that hasn't really translated that to the field and got drafted to a team that doesn't get much from it's players.

1 year of Monte Kiffin is better coaching than Mike Huff has had in his college and pro career combined.

Teams win games, by that note Kyle Orton is a winner. Vince Young is what he is, for a top 5 drafted QB he's pretty blah.

BossChief 01-17-2010 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6452110)
Oakland plays a lot of cover 1, very few safeties succeed there because of it. Now on that note, Berry is more naturally gifted than Huff and has a better read on passes ball skills etc.

Huff spent time switching back and forth between CB and safety at Texas and was really a tweener, where Berry has never played corner. Berry is a better football player than Huff where Huff is a great athlete that hasn't really translated that to the field and got drafted to a team that doesn't get much from it's players.

1 year of Monte Kiffin is better coaching than Mike Huff has had in his college and pro career combined.

Teams win games, by that note Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton is a winner. Vince Young is what he is, for a top 5 drafted QB he's pretty blah.

I can dig it.

Teams win games, but some players jump off the screen and take over games and win them in the clutch, VY is that guy. If he is able to develop as a pocket passer of some effectiveness while maintaining his elusiveness and mobility, they can win championships. Teams will get eaten alive if he gets a couple deep threats to threaten defenses with, if he is able to spread that field and stretch the defense, he and Chris Johnson can eat man coverage alive and become very potent.

It all depends on if he can take the pressure to me, but he has shown that he has that ability to take over a bad team and be the catalyst to them being a contender.

time will tell

Saccopoo 01-17-2010 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6452043)
There are a couple good players from the Mack Brown Texas era but it's really hard to go hey Orakpo and Michael Griffin cancel out all of the Roy Williams, Mike Williams, Leonard Davis etc etc etc.

Leonard Davis has been to two Pro Bowls. I'm not really sure that most teams would really want to cancel out a Pro Bowl level player - regardless of what position he plays.

notorious 01-17-2010 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6447852)
Willis was the most dominating college linebacker that I've seen.

Bozworth was the most dominating I ever seen. He ended up being dogshit.


Goes to show that you never can tell, but take an educated guess.

BossChief 01-17-2010 09:10 AM

Andy Katzenmoyer seemed like he would be pretty good.

None of those guys had the indicators that McClain has though.

Willie Lanier 01-17-2010 09:26 AM

can Ronnie Lott play shutdown corner?
can Dick Butkus play will backer?
can Bruce Smith play a 5 tech?
why?

notorious 01-17-2010 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6452255)
Andy Katzenmoyer seemed like he would be pretty good.

None of those guys had the indicators that McClain has though.

I dogged Katzenmoyer in a post about 2 years ago, and was quickly corrected.

He was beginning to play up to his draft pick when his career was ended by injury.


McClain makes a lot of plays and has good "game" speed.

He is the one and only pick that will keep Chiefsplanet from melting down.

BossChief 01-17-2010 10:49 AM

I was just as impressed with his moves pre snap as I was his play after it. I saw little to no false steps and no missed tackles. His arms are freakish long so he should always be a sure tackler and should bat down a lot of passes. It is what was done presnap that was truly impressive. He looked like a defensive Peyton Manning out there with his making the calls and reading keys pre snap. He obviously makes every other defender on the defense better and will grow into a elite defender and leader in the NFL.

Plus, I would hate to see him go to Denver...

Coogs 01-17-2010 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 6452403)
He is the one and only pick that will keep Chiefsplanet from melting down.

Never, never underestimate Chiefsplanet! :)

chiefzilla1501 01-17-2010 10:50 AM

For all you draftubators, what are the thoughts around Thaddeus Gibson of OSU?

He's probably a lot more raw than most, but he was an absolute beast at OSU. I think he could make a really good 3-4 OLB.

BossChief 01-17-2010 10:54 AM

heres another vid with Saban explaining another of his elite abilities. His ability to avoid blocks when needed and to stack and shed when needed as well. Talks about how rare it is to get a defender that can do both consistently....

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notorious 01-17-2010 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6452416)
I was just as impressed with his moves pre snap as I was his play after it. I saw little to no false steps and no missed tackles. His arms are freakish long so he should always be a sure tackler and should bat down a lot of passes. It is what was done presnap that was truly impressive. He looked like a defensive Peyton Manning out there with his making the calls and reading keys pre snap. He obviously makes every other defender on the defense better and will grow into a elite defender and leader in the NFL.

Plus, I would hate to see him go to Denver...


McClain is the pick.


Your last statement should be thrown into a burning AIDS tree. The very thought of a player like McClain going there makes me want to drink antifreeze.

DeezNutz 01-17-2010 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 6452403)
McClain makes a lot of plays and has good "game" speed.

He is the one and only pick that will keep Chiefsplanet from melting down.

LMAO.

With Berry on the board? Oh, yeah...LMAO.

notorious 01-17-2010 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6452463)
LMAO.

With Berry on the board? Oh, yeah...LMAO.

LOL I was assuming he would be gone.

OL will lead to a epic meltdown, if we draft fatass from Bama it will lead to meltdown, Clausen=meltdown.


McClain= excited, but not super excited and definately not disappointed.




Combine and workouts are coming up, so a lot will happen to shuffle things around.

Hopefully Mays and Spikes have problems at the Combine that will drop them to the second round where we are waiting.

As for the first, I won't be mad if we take Berry, McClain, or Clausen.

I will melt down ala Terminator Judgement Day if we take either of the two players from O-State.

DeezNutz 01-17-2010 11:25 AM

Clausen should not lead to a meltdown.

Probably just from the True Fans, but they'll only throw daisies at their monitors, so no worries there.

chiefzilla1501 01-17-2010 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6452475)
Clausen should not lead to a meltdown.

Probably just from the True Fans, but they'll only throw daisies at their monitors, so no worries there.

I would approach the Clausen pick with cautious optimism. I really like Clausen. I just dont' want him to be drafted because Charlie Weis biased the decision.

notorious 01-17-2010 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6452475)
Clausen should not lead to a meltdown.

Probably just from the True Fans, but they'll only throw daisies at their monitors, so no worries there.

But, by being true fans, their warm, loving homerism will surround Clausen with hugs of goodwill and blind support.


Worlds will collide!!!!!

BossChief 01-17-2010 11:30 AM

When you have 5 win teams that run for 384 yards on you at home, on the legs of their reserve running back, and teams dont have to pass on you at all to win, a Ray Lewis prospect is a better pick than a Ed Reed one.

BossChief 01-17-2010 11:32 AM

This class at least has elite talent at the top that fits our needs with elite prospects. Picking Okung would likely bring me to tears inside.

DeezNutz 01-17-2010 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6452489)
When you have 5 win teams that run for 384 yards on you at home, on the legs of their reserve running back, and teams dont have to pass on you at all to win, a Ray Lewis prospect is a better pick than a Ed Reed one.

Because safeties being out of position never lead to long runs.

Between the two, I'll take the playmaker. But McClain is definitely a good prospect.

He's NOT, however, the type of prospect you rarely see, which Berry definitely is.

philfree 01-17-2010 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6452489)
When you have 5 win teams that run for 384 yards on you at home, on the legs of their reserve running back, and teams dont have to pass on you at all to win, a Ray Lewis prospect is a better pick than a Ed Reed one.

I agree. Our front seven needs to be fixed before we worry about the back end of our D. That said a Berry pick wouldn't upset me.


PhilFree:arrow:

BossChief 01-17-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6452499)
Because safeties being out of position never lead to long runs.

Between the two, I'll take the playmaker. But McClain is definitely a good prospect.

He's NOT, however, the type of prospect you rarely see, which Berry definitely is.

You think McClain is the type of linebacker that comes out every year and that he isnt a rare prospect?

I disagree, if that is truly what you think.

DeezNutz 01-17-2010 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6452560)
You think McClain is the type of linebacker that comes out every year and that he isnt a rare prospect?

I disagree, if that is truly what you think.

He's not the type that can be talked about as a "once-in-a-decade" prospect (though I think much of that stuff gets overblown).

He's a solid, promising prospect who would never have a chance of going top 5 in a better draft class.

notorious 01-17-2010 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6452574)
He's not the type that can be talked about as a "once-in-a-decade" prospect (though I think much of that stuff gets overblown).

He's a solid, promising prospect who would never have a chance of going top 5 in a better draft class.

Jesus Curry was the prospect of the decade last decade. We can proclaim McClain as the prospect of this decade. :)

RustShack 01-17-2010 11:57 AM

If you want a Safety who can stop the run, Berry isn't your guy.

RustShack 01-17-2010 11:59 AM

McClain is a lot better than Curry.. and only the dumbass Chiefs fans wanted Curry last year.

Sully 01-17-2010 12:32 PM

Early on in the Texas game, he played a screen pass perfectly. Read his key, all his steps were downhill, and he "played fast, but not in a hurry." I'd have no problem drafting him high as an ILB. My poor wife had to watch as I replayed that one play 12 times.

Mecca 01-17-2010 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6452422)
For all you draftubators, what are the thoughts around Thaddeus Gibson of OSU?

He's probably a lot more raw than most, but he was an absolute beast at OSU. I think he could make a really good 3-4 OLB.

I gave him to the Chiefs in my little "who I think the Chiefs are going to pick thing" how weird.

Toad 01-17-2010 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6452034)
That's nice and all but Texas players have generally received poor coaching so they are talented but raw.

Mecca, sorry, I was tied up today but wanted to weigh in on this.

I agree with your theory somewhat, but my issue with it is if you totally discount a player from a specific school or university, then you loose out on players. Under the "no (insert university here) players allowed" concept, you take some quality talent out of consideration. I believe Kindle can be a very good player.

However, I do think that when you choose between similar players, the tie should probably go to the player at the school/conference that has more overall talent and subsequent higher level of competition.

Cosmos 01-17-2010 04:59 PM

Rolando McClain , LB, Alabama, 6-4, 258, 4.68, mid-first round

McClain did just about everything you could at the collegiate level, winning a BCS championship, SEC crown and Butkus Award as the top linebacker in the country after being named first-team all-conference and All-American the past two years and Freshman All-American as a part-time starter in his first season in Tuscaloosa. He was credited with 104 tackles, 14.5 for loss, four sacks and two interceptions in 2009, all career highs. A bit tall and lean to play in the middle for most 4-3 teams, McClain's skill set makes him an ideal fit in the 3-4 playing inside or outside, and his football intelligence is coveted just as much as his athleticism.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...upcoming-draft


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