Huge drop-off there, IMHO.

Like Joe Thomas-to-Joe Staley-like drop in talent.

If we're going to bother drafting a WR, we need a legit threat - not JAG.

I don't think you get LaFell, Tate or Williams with #50/51 and I'd prefer to spend #36 on a defensive stud.

I don't know about the other two, but there isn't much of a drop off if any between Shipley and Briscoe.

Most of the truly great NTs of the past several years, Jamaal Williams and Hampton, for example, were three down players until they hit their 30's.

Wilfork has normally been a two down player, but I personally think he's a little overrated.

You're right, you probably don't.

But that doesn't mean we should waste a later pick just to draft a WR.

To me, Denario Alexander with our R3 pick is about the last guy you could grab that is more than JAG. And that's if he runs a decent 40.

Everyone else you listed - Shipley, Briscoe, Ford, White, etc?

JAG.

But they clog the gap...positional players. sure GB wasn't the greatest but he did his job by filling in the gaps needed for LB's to make plays. Same Goes for Wilfork.

I personally think that Dan Williams could play all three downs.

Dan Williams is someone I'd be willing to sacrifice two picks for if he drops below 20.

Indeed!!

I don't see any of the guys I listed as being a #1 WR. However, I think Shipley, Ford and Cooper can all be very successful when utilized properly.

I'm not sure anyone in this draft would be a WR1 over Bowe.

I agree, which is why I'm not excited about drafting anyone early. I'd be happy with Jacoby Ford in the 4th or 5th or Riley Cooper in the 5th.

My point is, the top WR's in this class could all be great WR2's.

I can't say that about the guys you're talking about.

Shit, I'd rather keep Mark Bradley than waste a pick on another WR3/WR4.

Outside of Bryant, LaFell, Tate or Williams I don't know if any of the WRs in this draft could be great WR2's. Outside of those expected to go in round 1 or early round 2, I see them more of slot or WR3 type guys.

I'd prefer to spend a pick on a 2nd string O lineman, LB'er, S (you have no idea how much it makes me die inside to say it,) or HB over WR.

Mitchell, Barnes and Price have a shot.

Mitchell is an interesting prospect. He's another guy who should be available round 5.

I get this thought process, but I also think that the LB position is stacked this year, and we can probably get about the same quality with 2B for 3-4 ILB or rush OLB as we can with 2A.

If Dan Williams magically is still available at our 2A, then we take him and don't look back. But if he's not, and no other DT or LB really stands out at that point, I'd be happy with taking LaFell or Tate with that 2A to pair up with Bowe.

my stud list

Eric Berry
Rolando McClain
Mike Iutapi
Dan Williams
Jerry Hughes
Matt Tennant
Earl Thomas

If Williams is so good, why was Tennessee's run D so bad with Williams in the middle, Rico at LB and Berry playing in the box?

I wouldn't mind Barnes in the 5th or so.

Drafting Danrio Alexander in the 2nd or 3rd round would make a grown man cry.

Cover Who

I heard Tebow had trouble taking snaps from under center yesterday. is that true?

YES.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...n=ncaaf,215726

It sounds like Sean Weatherspoon and Danario Alexander are doing well today in practice:

When watching the North linebackers, the first thing that stands out is Sean Weatherspoon. This guy is a leader. Sean is constantly getting the other LBs fired up and keeping everyone on task. He also likes to talk some trash on the field, but backs it up. Spoon flowed to the ball well in team drills, showing an ability to wade through the garbage and get to the ball carrier. He seems to quickly diagnose running plays and does a more than adequate job in coverage.

Missouri linebacker Sean Weatherspoon is making me forget about his average senior season. I've been told he has a very outgoing personality, but on the football field his instincts come to life and he is quick to diagnose and react. A big game in the Senior Bowl could guarantee he comes off the board in the top 50 picks.

Wide receivers Mardy Gilyard of Cincinnati and Danario Alexander of Missouri were really bringing their A-game today. Both were diving for passes and going the extra mile to impress the scouts. They’re practically polar opposites as far as receiver types, but are showing their skill sets well. Both are also showing the willingness to be a downfield blocker for the run game.

Woah stop the presses. Tebow might not make it at QB on the next level. :p

:doh!:

Nice.....

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/

When the Senior Bowl began this week, I was more excited than I have been in years past because of one thing: Twitter.

Yes, Twitter.

With many reporters using Twitter, we hear a few more tidbits than what we normally would. Now, these are just things seen in passing but they're interesting nonetheless.

"Chiefs GM Scott Pioli a few feet away saying some good things about [Legarrette] Blount," David Syvertsen of New Era Scouting tweeted moments ago.

Blount is the running back perhaps most famous for the punch. If you don't know what I'm talking about, YouTube Blount and punch. He told Josh Looney of KCChiefs.com that he's here to show the scouts that he's ready to make an impact.

"Sitting next to Todd Haley....keeping a close eye on the DBs...Ghee and Cook looking good," he also tweeted.

NFLDraftScout.com has 6'0", 189 pound Brandon Ghee rated as the 10th best cornerback. They list Chris cook at 6'2", 212 pounds (big!) and the 21st cornerback.


http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/1...yard#storyjump

Representatives from the Kansas City Chiefs talked with receiver and kick returner Mardy Gilyard out of the University of Cincinnati, according to Will Spencer of DraftBreakdown.com.



As a freshman in 2005, Gilyard played cornerback. In 2006, he was redshirted for academic reasons.

In 2007, he was moved to receiver where he caught 36 balls for 536 yards.

2008 is when he really began to shine. He caught 81 balls for 1,276 yards and 11 touchdowns.

To prove that wasn't a fluke, he posted nearly identical stats in 2009.

The biggest question mark on him that I've read is whether his light frame can effectively shed defenders at the NFL level. In the Bearcats bowl game, he caught seven balls for 41 yards and had trouble getting away from the Gators defensive backs.

He's also a kick returner. The Chiefs, of course, rotated out receivers and kick returners all season.

NFLDraftScout.com ranks him as the 11th receiver in this draft class and lists him at 5'11 and 179 pounds.

I wonder how far Blount will drop because of the punching incident and subsequent suspension? I don't normally like Duck players but think pairing Blount with Charles could give the Chiefs a Panthers-like rushing attack. Any chance he makes it to the top of the 4th?

I doubt it. Reports today indicate he's standing out in his pass protection on blitzes.


I wonder if they will move Graham to OLB tomorrow, or if teams view him strictly as a 43 end.

That's what I figured. There was talk after the Boise State game that he was "undraftable" because of the punch but I figured that would die down with time and once he got back on the field. Unfortunately, I think there are more important needs and options with those higher picks than a complementary RB.

Ah no worries. Complementary RBs are a dome a dozen. Should be no problem picking up a decent one in the mid to late rounds.

All he'll be asked to do is...

- Play STs
- Take about 5-10 carries a game
- Bring the hammer when needed (I'm guessing he'll be a bigger back) in short yardage.

Piece of cake.

Graham is a beast, but prob best suitedas a 43 End. (UM fan :( )

Good to hear about Spoon and Danario. Was really worried about Spoon, especially due to his Sr. year and awful showing during the bowl game.

Weatherspoon was pretty solid yesterday too, Alexander was struggling in the 1 on 1's so I guess he decided to come back today.

Blount is going to get drafted, he's a 2nd round talent he'll lose some rounds but there's no way he's not going to get picked.

And Dan Williams is not going to fall into the 2nd, he's a typical draft day riser, he's one of the few big DT's and he's in good shape so on draft day he rises. Cody falls for being "fat".

I don't like Golden Tate but that has to do with personal preference and who he reminds me of.

Supposedly Cody isn't looking bad today, did a double team drill and the guys didn't move him an inch then he basically bulldozed a center over on his ass.

Draft him.
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Which would be?

Sounds like Taylor Mays is sucking ass.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=NFL&id=5760

Taylor Mays-DB- Player Jan. 27 - 12:53 am et

SI.com's Tony Pauline reports that USC S Taylor Mays has appeared stiff in the hips on the Senior Bowl practice field and may force teams to begin projecting him as an outside linebacker.
Pauline isn't the only one saying it. NFL Network's Mike Mayock noted that Mays has struggled in man-coverage work, and he was easily beaten off the line of scrimmage by Florida WR Riley Cooper in one drill we saw. At 6'3/231, Mays looks more like a "Will" linebacker than a safety. His stock is slipping.
Source: SI.com


Taylor Mays-DB - Player Jan. 25 - 8:03 pm et


USC S Taylor Mays reportedly drew the ire of an NFL pro personnel man when he leveled Citadel WR Andre Roberts on the first day of Senior Bowl practices.
NFL types want to see DBs make plays on the football in drills, not take out 5'11/192-pound return specialists in the open field. This is especially true in Mays' case. He only had five interceptions as a four-year starter at Southern Cal, with just two of the picks coming in his last three seasons.
Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Mays can't cover WR's in a man drill, that's the drill all the safeties suck at. If they could do that they wouldn't be safeties. He's far to tall to be able to fluidly flip his hips like a corner.

And Golden Tate reminds me of Josh Reed.

It is odd that out of all the safeties to participate in these drills this week, he has been the only one to have these things said about him.

He's one of the biggest name guys down there so that's how it works, Cody and Tebow are getting about 90% of the coverage to this point.

Taking a 6'3 guy and putting him in a man drill is basically exposing him for sucking at something everyone knows he can't do. Safeties struggle with that drill every single year, there's a few that can do it then they get talked up as "hey he can play some CB" or slot CB.

You may be a little blinded. I'm sure if negative press was coming out about Bryant, you would be running with it. I would guess that Mays is much less fluid in his hips than Berry, Jones, Thomas, Burnett, Stuckey, etc.

Chad Jones is basically the exact same thing Mays is without being quite as fast or athletic, he's huge too. Burnett and Stuckey don't really flip their hips well either, Berry and Thomas do because they are CB sized.

Taylor Mays is not going to cut on a dime or show corner agility at 6'3 230 it's just not happening. The only thing I've seen that he needs to work on is he needs to break off the hash a little faster because he's going to be a bit closer to the line than he's use to.

All the talk now is that Mays will have to move to LB since he can't he will be a liability against the pass.

I'm sure he's going to get moved to LB when he's going to get drafted by Seattle...oh shit.

Earl Thomas will be a better NFL safety than Taylor Mays.

And not sure why people would bitch about Cody in the 2nd round. The 3-4 is useless without a Nose Tackle.

Earl Thomas is so freakin tiny. But they aren't remotely similar players, Thomas is CB sized.

He's 5'10.

Polamalu is 5'10

Ed Reed is 5'11

Berry is 5'11

He weighs like 190lbs.

Earl Thomas is the same size I am.

They think he's a fatter Junior Siavii

He's like 197 and he was only a junoir it's not like he won't put on anyway weight. Polamlu is 207 I guarntee you he wasn't that big coming out of college.

Siavii sucked because he was lazy who says Cody is lazy just because he's big?

Probably should get over that real fast.

Watch this, if you take a prospect and ask him to do something he isn't capable of doing he looks bad regardless of how good he is at other things.

Today Mike Iupati was asked to do 1-1 on tackle drills, he looked horrid and got his ass beat several times.

Siavii is still in the league. I doubt Saban would put up with a player who has the attitude of Siavii.

I honestly laugh at the idea that Haley or Pioli wouldn't want Cody because of his size.

The fact that the guy played for Saban makes him more likely to be our pick, hell the way Haley is hard on guys about weight probably makes it more likely too.

I see nothing wrong with Haley asking Cody to turn some of that fat into muscle. He'd be a beast at what he does.

Where does this Williams guy from UNC project? 6'4 333. 3 year starter at UNC.

Pretty low, like undrafted low.

* Thomas

Wait,

People are concerned that Taylor Mays might not be able to cover a shifty WR in 1 on 1s?

What's next, are we gonna bitch about Cody's inability to go sideline to sideline in pass coverage?

Howcome? His bio says quick and agile for his size and he's got pretty good size. Would figure he'd be atleast a 6th round pick?

If Sammie Lee Hill got drafted in the 4th, there's no reason why Cam Thomas can't go middle-late.

He needs to work on his angles. I've seen him take bad angles several times in games. He also need to wrap up and make the sure tackle, which I know he can do, instead of just going for the big hit which he does sometimes.

IDK about Mays....seems raw & unpolished.

I think it is more that lots of analysts at the Senior Bowl practices are singling him out from the other safety prospects for performing poorly in coverage.

Mecca - I've read where a scout has compared Golden Tate to Steve Smith. Do you think that is a fair comparison?

If it's the Steve Smith from USC, then I agree. I think Tate compares to guys like Mario Manningham, Greg Jennings, Steve Smith (USC) and Lee Evans.

Which I'm perfectly fine with.....

Scott Piolo gave an interview with NFLN during the 11 am North practice today.
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ROFL

MAYBE he will make a better CB than Mays will LB.

ROFL

Yeah, and it was really enlightening.

Are you really going to leave us hanging like that???

Sorry, I was being facetious.

The only thing I learned, or actually had reinforced, is that Scott Pioli says less with more words than I thought humanly possible.

Since it's the Lions coaching staff coaching the North team, it makes me wonder why I haven't seen Gunther storming around?

It's a family show.

where have i heard this before :hmmm: