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ForeverChiefs58 02-15-2010 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6534590)
I think Suh goes to St.Louis and Dorsey is probably better and less expensive compared to what McCoy will ask for. I don't think theres anyway we have 2 top 10 draft picks but if we're not going to be big spenders in free agency I wouldn't be opposed to it.
what if, by some crazy scenario, suh fell to #5, would you take him? It may make Tyson Jackson worthless and the current regeme red faced, but dorsey and suh make a nice pair.

Mr. Flopnuts 02-15-2010 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6534624)
If we acquire a legit QBOTF, I could give two ****s how many games the team wins in '10

My 8 wins or bust philosophy goes down the shitter.

And there are a couple of ****ing stud WRs coming out next year, too...
This. I'll totally come off the .500 pedestal if we draft Clausen. And I'd rather wait for a shot at Locker.

<<<<<<<<<<Homer

Titty Meat 02-15-2010 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 6534625)
what if, by some crazy scenario, suh fell to #5, would you take him? It may make Tyson Jackson worthless and the current regeme red faced, but dorsey and suh make a nice pair.
No I wouldn't draft Suh over Clausen or Berry.

DeezNutz 02-15-2010 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 6534625)
what if, by some crazy scenario, suh fell to #5, would you take him? It may make Tyson Jackson worthless and the current regeme red faced, but dorsey and suh make a nice pair.
No.

ForeverChiefs58 02-15-2010 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy (Post 6534619)
Our #5 = 1700 pts
our #50 = 400 pts
Total = 2100

Their #13 = 1150
Their # 16 = 1000
Total = 2150

Seems like a fair trade, but then who do we draft?
have an alabama reunion and go mcain and cody.

Mr. Flopnuts 02-15-2010 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6534631)
No.
Why not? We could totally switch back to a 3-4 and put Tyson at LB.

Consistent1 02-15-2010 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 6534625)
what if, by some crazy scenario, suh fell to #5, would you take him? It may make Tyson Jackson worthless and the current regeme red faced, but dorsey and suh make a nice pair.
Somebody needs to come up with a "hold him hostage" scenario for this. That is a clever thing nobody on here has ever thought of.

chiefzilla1501 02-15-2010 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 6534633)
have an alabama reunion and go mcain and cody.
I think McClain could easily fall there. Maybe even Spiller or Bryant.

I also wonder if Brandon Graham is going to fly off the draft board. Maybe Jerry Hughes might too. I would very, very, very gladly take the top rush backer on the board with a top 16 pick and I think we easily could.

DeezNutz 02-15-2010 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6534636)
Why not? We could totally switch back to a 3-4 and put Tyson at LB.
Tyson is definitely part of the right 53, so we'll find a place for him.

Titty Meat 02-15-2010 06:47 PM
You dont want to draft McClain at 5.

ForeverChiefs58 02-15-2010 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6534629)
No I wouldn't draft Suh over Clausen or Berry.
what if it went in no particular order
Claussen
bradford
berry
Okung
would you suh then?

Dante84 02-15-2010 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6534636)
Why not? We could totally switch back to a 3-4 and put Tyson at LB.
Maybe when he was 19 and knockin' out suckers in the first round, but not now. Did you see how old he looked in The Hangover?

chiefzilla1501 02-15-2010 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6534629)
No I wouldn't draft Suh over Clausen or Berry.
I wouldn't draft Suh over anybody, given what we've committed into those two positions. Dorsey and Jackson will be just fine. Maybe neither will be nearly worth the top 5 pick, but in terms of their role as a pure 2-gap, they should do well enough.

Mr. Flopnuts 02-15-2010 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6534643)
Tyson is definitely part of the right 53, so we'll find a place for him.
Exactly. Line him up at FB.

Titty Meat 02-15-2010 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 6534646)
what if it went in no particular order
Claussen
bradford
berry
Okung
would you suh then?
I would hope the Chiefs trade down. I'd imagine a guy like Singeltary would love Suh.

Kyle DeLexus 02-15-2010 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 6534646)
what if it went in no particular order
Claussen
bradford
berry
Okung
would you suh then?
Nice what if, but there are 2 teams that NEED a DT in Detriot and Tampa.

Mr. Flopnuts 02-15-2010 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 6534648)
Maybe when he was 19 and knockin' out suckers in the first round, but not now. Did you see how old he looked in The Hangover?
Dude. He knocked Alan the **** out. At least I think it was Alan.

Kyle DeLexus 02-15-2010 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6534655)
Dude. He knocked Alan the **** out. At least I think it was Alan.
It was Alan

Dante84 02-15-2010 06:52 PM
Alan > Merriman

Mr. Flopnuts 02-15-2010 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 6534661)
Alan > Merriman
Sure. But Tyson Jackson = Alan

chiefzilla1501 02-15-2010 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 6534654)
Nice what if, but there are 2 teams that NEED a DT in Detriot and Tampa.
I heard Jim Schwartz wants Suh, but Gunther Cunningham is convincing him to take Cody instead. Unofficial source.

ForeverChiefs58 02-15-2010 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 6534654)
Nice what if, but there are 2 teams that NEED a DT in Detriot and Tampa.
If you ever watch a Bucs game, I do cause I live in orlando, they need a QB a lot more than a DT. I know they just wasted a first on one. But when you fail you have to keep trying, like the chiefs with d linemen.

Dante84 02-15-2010 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6534662)
Sure. But Tyson Jackson = Alan
I like Alan better because he's not afraid to gamble.

Ralphy Boy 02-15-2010 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 6534633)
have an alabama reunion and go mcain and cody.
Insert Dan Williams for Cody and I'd be happy, though I don't think McClain will be on the board at 13 with Denver picking at 10.



Can you imagine the mayhem if we drafted a DT & OT again in the first round? Groundhog day.

Mr. Flopnuts 02-15-2010 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 6534668)
I like Alan better because he's not afraid to gamble.
Nguyen for the gambow gambow.

Kyle DeLexus 02-15-2010 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 6534666)
If you ever watch a Bucs game, I do cause I live in orlando, they need a QB a lot more than a DT. I know they just wasted a first on one. But when you fail you have to keep trying, like the chiefs with d linemen.
I had a chance to talk to Tampa's GM Mark Dominik and he believes in Freeman. They took him as a "project" type and are prepared to give him a few years to grow. If they do anything, it'll be going after a vet QB as a stop gap.

the Talking Can 02-15-2010 06:59 PM
if you want clausen then just ****ing draft him, you dip shits....

or...or...we could wait and see if the QB we want drops 25 ****ing picks and then say "damn...oh well" when someone sane takes him in front of us...

we've already lost one QB because of Cassel...why not pass on the 2nd....

excuse me while i reach through my asshole to pull my penis back out through my ass in a dramatic rendering of how this franchise makes decisions when it comes to the most important player on the field...

kstater 02-15-2010 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 6534666)
If you ever watch a Bucs game, I do cause I live in orlando, they need a QB a lot more than a DT. I know they just wasted a first on one. But when you fail you have to keep trying, like the chiefs with d linemen.
I'm thinking the Bucs are going to give Freeman a little more than 7 games to decide if they failed with him.

Ralphy Boy 02-15-2010 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 6534646)
what if it went in no particular order
Claussen
bradford
berry
Okung
would you suh then?
This just seems too ridiculous to even talk about. I cannot imagine anyone in their right mind would rather have Okung than Suh. Not saying its impossible, stranger things have happened, I just would think that there is no way Schwartz & Spags would both pass on him.

Titty Meat 02-15-2010 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6534686)
if you want clausen then just ****ing draft him, you dip shits....

or...or...we could wait and see if the QB we want drops 25 ****ing picks and then say "damn...oh well" when someone sane takes him in front of us...

we've already lost one QB because of Cassel...why not pass on the 2nd....

excuse me while i reach through my asshole to pull my penis back out through my ass in a dramatic rendering of how this franchise makes decisions when it comes to the most important player on the field...
I just spit my water all over my computer. Thanks asshole.

Titty Meat 02-15-2010 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 6534687)
I'm thinking the Bucs are going to give Freeman a little more than 7 games to decide if they failed with him.
Source?

Kyle DeLexus 02-15-2010 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6534693)
Source?
Mark Dominik

kstater 02-15-2010 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6534693)
Source?
http://it'scommonsenseyoureerun.com

Titty Meat 02-15-2010 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 6534696)
Invalid link.

the Talking Can 02-15-2010 07:11 PM
and i'd like to thank all media everywhere for ruining the olympics by broadcasting the winners every 3 secs all day long on every radio tv channel, web site, billboard, and i-what****ingever, yes even you you useless whored tit npr....but maybe we'll draft the Qb we just think is dreamy if he's still there in the 5th....if not, we can always trade multiple picks for Brady Quinn, who only mostly but not completely sucks and is a such douche bag that even his own teammates prefer punching his smug accomplished jack shit in the nfl face to catching his where in the **** are you throwing it you jerkoff douche bag cracker passes....

Kyle DeLexus 02-15-2010 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6534711)
and i'd like to thank all media everywhere for ruining the olympics by broadcasting the winners every 3 secs all day long on every radio tv channel, web site, billboard, and i-what****ingever, yes even you you useless whored tit npr....but maybe we'll draft the Qb we just think is dreamy if he's still there in the 5th....if not, we can always trade multiple picks for Brady Quinn, who only mostly but not completely sucks and is a such douche bag that even his own teammates prefer punching his smug accomplished jack shit in the nfl face to catching his where in the **** are you throwing it you jerkoff douche bag cracker passes....
tell us how you really feel.

Mr. Flopnuts 02-15-2010 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6534711)
and i'd like to thank all media everywhere for ruining the olympics by broadcasting the winners every 3 secs all day long on every radio tv channel, web site, billboard, and i-what****ingever, yes even you you useless whored tit npr....but maybe we'll draft the Qb we just think is dreamy if he's still there in the 5th....if not, we can always trade multiple picks for Brady Quinn, who only mostly but not completely sucks and is a such douche bag that even his own teammates prefer punching his smug accomplished jack shit in the nfl face to catching his where in the **** are you throwing it you jerkoff douche bag cracker passes....
Epic.

Tango&Cash 02-15-2010 07:20 PM
Not exactly the time to be trading away draft picks when we have so many holes on this team, this draft is also pretty deep, you may be able to get 1st rd talent in the 2nd rd, especially where we pick.

Brock 02-15-2010 07:33 PM
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Buzzsaw 02-15-2010 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6534577)
Rams
Washington
KC
Seattle
Cleveland
Oakland
Buffalo
I agree those teams need a quarterback....but I don't think that they think that they need a quarterback. Hope that made sense. Raiders prolly aren't ever going to give up on DuhMarcus until Al Davis kicks.

Ralphy Boy 02-15-2010 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw (Post 6534747)
I agree those teams need a quarterback....but I don't think that they think that they need a quarterback. Hope that made sense
Outside of Oakland, I think they all know it.

Red Dawg 02-15-2010 07:39 PM
Cassel is the QB. Pioli gave him a ton of cash for that role. If we did draft Clausen he would ride the pine for 2010 for certain.

Brock 02-15-2010 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 6534762)
Cassel is the QB. Pioli gave him a ton of cash for that role. If we did draft Clausen he would ride the pine for 2010 for certain.
So what? At least there would be some kind of hope for the future.

Kyle DeLexus 02-15-2010 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 6534762)
Cassel is the QB. Pioli gave him a ton of cash for that role. If we did draft Clausen he would ride the pine for 2010 for certain.
I think most of us would be fine with that. We just want a legit QBotF

DeezNutz 02-15-2010 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 6534762)
Cassel is the QB. Pioli gave him a ton of cash for that role. If we did draft Clausen he would ride the pine for 2010 for certain.
Perfect.

Consistent1 02-15-2010 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6534643)
Tyson is definitely part of the right 53, so we'll find a place for him.
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/9171/scotty.jpg

Iowanian 02-15-2010 07:56 PM
the fact that this BRAND NEW INFORMATION wasn't delivered into my PM box immediately and prior to the posting of this thread, dictates and expressed and purposely hurtful attempt to bypass the system. This violation of standard operating procedure for dissemination of secret data is unacceptable and intolerable!

Mecca 02-15-2010 08:00 PM
This scenario isn't happening anyway, Clausen's worse case scenario is 9, if a QB falls Buffalo has to take him.

Hog's Gone Fishin 02-15-2010 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6534569)
ROFL

Thanks for showing up you little Bass-terd !

Easy 6 02-15-2010 08:03 PM
I'm down for Clausen if Weis vouches for his crispness, that'd be a kosher insurance policy if Cassel wilts under the mounting pressure.

Mecca 02-15-2010 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 6534798)
I'm down for Clausen if Weis vouches for his crispness, that'd be a kosher insurance policy if Cassel wilts under the mounting pressure.
I would be willing to bet that if somehow both QB's aren't gone by 5 the Chiefs attempt to move down, everyone will think the Chiefs are going to take the QB and we'll just be dropping out, Pioli is not going to take a QB top 5 basically admitting his pick of Cassel was an epic ****up.

ChiefsCountry 02-15-2010 08:07 PM
I think Clausen or Bradford is going #1 to St. Louis, especially with a new owner in St. Louie. You got a make splash and QB will do that more than Suh.

I wouldn't mind trading for Quinn, **** give them a 4th for him. Cleveland wasn't good for him. Get his ass here, let him beat out Cassel in the preseason. Pioli looks like a even bigger dipshit for bringing that POS Cassel here in the first place. And we would finally have a QB we could build around.

TRR 02-15-2010 08:12 PM
It would make a lot more sense if Weiss said that Cassel didn't have the physical tools. How can Weiss possibly judge Cassel in that regard already?

Cassel battled a ton of issues outside his control, and stayed pretty positive for the most part.

Cassel's mental toughness is the very least of my concerns.

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Mecca 02-15-2010 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 6534813)
It would make a lot more sense if Weiss said that Cassel didn't have the physical tools. How can Weiss possibly judge Cassel in that regard already?

Cassel battled a ton of issues outside his control, and stayed pretty positive for the most part.

Cassel's mental toughness is the very least of my concerns.
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It's not that difficult to judge...maybe Cassel thought he was a fan and told him to shut the **** up.

Or maybe he talks to Weis like he talks to the media "What are you talking about Charlie I don't make mental errors"

Brock 02-15-2010 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 6534813)
It would make a lot more sense if Weiss said that Cassel didn't have the physical tools. How can Weiss possibly judge Cassel in that regard already?
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Weis has two seasons of games on which to base his judgement.

TRR 02-15-2010 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6534818)
It's not that difficult to judge...maybe Cassel thought he was a fan and told him to shut the **** up.

Or maybe he talks to Weis like he talks to the media "What are you talking about Charlie I don't make mental errors"
Yea I'm sure that's all it takes to judge an NFL QB.

Wow.
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chiefzilla1501 02-15-2010 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6534801)
I would be willing to bet that if somehow both QB's aren't gone by 5 the Chiefs attempt to move down, everyone will think the Chiefs are going to take the QB and we'll just be dropping out, Pioli is not going to take a QB top 5 basically admitting his pick of Cassel was an epic ****up.
If Charlie Weis wants Clausen really, really badly and the scouts like him too, I doubt Pioli would be too arrogant to say "no." The only reason he might is because he might think he sees better value in the 2nd or 3rd rounds (after all, he has historically taken a LOT of QBs in that area).

DTLB58 02-15-2010 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6534464)
This comes from someone who has been an incredibly reliable source on this site in the past. Take it for what's it's worth.

If Claussen falls to around the 20-25th pick the Chiefs may package their 2nd round picks to move up in the draft to take Claussen. Weiss is telling all teams that contact him about Claussen that he is the real deal. Claussen will play in the NFL for 10-15 years.

Weiss is not sold on Cassell. He feels that he may not have the mental tools to be a successful QB without better players around him. He feels that he has the physical tools, but lacks the mental discipline thats needed to play the position. Both Haley and Pioli think Cassell will work out fine.

So what is gonna happen? Weiss wants a quality backup in place behind Cassell to push him. Croyle is not that backup. Everyone at Arrrowhead knows Croyle is not a long term solution so he can't really push Cassell to excel.

Enter Brady Quinn. The Chiefs had talks with Cleveland a couple of weeks ago about a trade to KC. But, the Browns trade demands were really stupidly high so the talks went no where seriously. If the demands come down, Quinn will be a Chief.


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Now the rest of this info is from other sources so get out that shaker of salt to take wth this information. Compiled from 4 different sources.

Supposely Buffalo talked to the Chiefs about a trade for Croyle.

Cleveland wanted the 2nd round pick plus a 5th rounder for Quinn.

KC was willing to part with a 4th-5th rounder for Quinn. Which one would depend on playing time,

Weiss and Cassell talk almost every day on the phone and in person. Long talks.

Nothing new with the Bowe wants a new contract before the OTA's situation. But, the Chiefs have put out trade feelers to gauge interest in Bowe but most were 4th-5th rounders.
Now that's some inside info, A QB needs some better players around him to be successful. :hmmm:

Hog's Gone Fishin 02-15-2010 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6534801)
I would be willing to bet that if somehow both QB's aren't gone by 5 the Chiefs attempt to move down, everyone will think the Chiefs are going to take the QB and we'll just be dropping out, Pioli is not going to take a QB top 5 basically admitting his pick of Cassel was an epic ****up.



Unfortunately this makes sense. Unless Weiss can convince Pioli we need a legit backup because Croyle sucks and is a walking bandaid. But even then Pioli would not use the #5 on him.

chiefzilla1501 02-15-2010 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 6534813)
It would make a lot more sense if Weiss said that Cassel didn't have the physical tools. How can Weiss possibly judge Cassel in that regard already?

Cassel battled a ton of issues outside his control, and stayed pretty positive for the most part.

Cassel's mental toughness is the very least of my concerns.

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I haven't given up on Cassel, but I don't necessarily agree. I was unpleasantly surprised at his leadership. There were games where his expression looked like he had almost given up, and he didn't seem to be firing up his teammates like I thought he would.

I think that's something that could get better with better coaching. But it's plenty of reason to be concerned. I think he might be a lot more hotheaded than we realized.

chiefzilla1501 02-15-2010 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 6534833)
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Unfortunately this makes sense. Unless Weiss can convince Pioli we need a legit backup because Croyle sucks and is a walking bandaid. But even then Pioli would not use the #5 on him.
Why does it make sense? Wasn't his reputation in New England, according to many on the board, that he was a gopher for Bill Bellichick? Why do people think he's so arrogant that he won't listen to his coaches, especially the experienced ones? That's how he made his mark in New England.

Mecca 02-15-2010 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6534838)
Why does it make sense? Wasn't his reputation in New England, according to many on the board, that he was a gopher for Bill Bellichick? Why do people think he's so arrogant that he won't listen to his coaches, especially the experienced ones? That's how he made his mark in New England.
I have a really really hard time believing they'd make that move, I don't even think Clark Hunt would ok it, so you want me to spend 100+ mill on QB's in 2 years?

No way Scott not happening Cassel is suppose to be the guy that's what you said.

Brock 02-15-2010 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6534843)
I have a really really hard time believing they'd make that move, I don't even think Clark Hunt would ok it, so you want me to spend 100+ mill on QB's in 2 years?

No way Scott not happening Cassel is suppose to be the guy that's what you said.
It amuses me to hear what you think goes on in high level business meetings.

TRR 02-15-2010 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6534826)
Weis has two seasons of games on which to base his judgement.
Two full seasons!? Wow! You sold me. After his season in NE where it was obviously just Moss, or Welker, or McDaniels or Belichick. And his 2nd season was so bad, I mean why a 2nd year starter can't get the job done in a new offense, with a first year coach, with new WRs every week, and the O Line more fluid than water...is beyond me. The knee injury he suffered really had no barring on his play either, or the 13 days he had to learn a new offense before the season started.

We should just cut him...
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Brock 02-15-2010 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 6534847)
Two full seasons!? Wow! You sold me. After his season in NE where it was obviously just Moss, or Welker, or McDaniels or Belichick. And his 2nd season was so bad, I mean why a 2nd year starter can't get the job done in a new offense, with a first year coach, with new WRs every week, and the O Line more fluid than water...is beyond me. The knee injury he suffered really had no barring on his play either, or the 13 days he had to learn a new offense before the season started.

We should just cut him...
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Wow, that's some list of excuses you just made.

Mecca 02-15-2010 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6534845)
It amuses me to hear what you think goes on in high level business meetings.
We aren't the Redskins here, I don't think Clark Hunt would be ok with the idea of being sold on 2 QB's being the franchise in 2 years and giving them both a lot of money.

DaneMcCloud 02-15-2010 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 6534847)
Two full seasons!? Wow! You sold me. After his season in NE where it was obviously just Moss, or Welker, or McDaniels or Belichick. And his 2nd season was so bad, I mean why a 2nd year starter can't get the job done in a new offense, with a first year coach, with new WRs every week, and the O Line more fluid than water...is beyond me. The knee injury he suffered really had no barring on his play either, or the 13 days he had to learn a new offense before the season started.

We should just cut him...
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Your attempt at facetiousness underscores the fact that Cassel, even when given a great offensive line and excellent skilled players around him, is nothing more than average.

Personally, I think that's his ceiling: Average.

Time will tell.

DeezNutz 02-15-2010 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6534843)
I have a really really hard time believing they'd make that move, I don't even think Clark Hunt would ok it, so you want me to spend 100+ mill on QB's in 2 years?

No way Scott not happening Cassel is suppose to be the guy that's what you said.
"You want me to spend how much on two DEs in two years?" /Clark

I see very little difference.

Brock 02-15-2010 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6534850)
We aren't the Redskins here, I don't think Clark Hunt would be ok with the idea of being sold on 2 QB's being the franchise in 2 years and giving them both a lot of money.
Noted.

Mecca 02-15-2010 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6534855)
Noted.
You can note it all you want, the odds of the Chiefs using the 5th pick this year on a QB is about the same as Hootie growing a brain.

chiefzilla1501 02-15-2010 08:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6534850)
We aren't the Redskins here, I don't think Clark Hunt would be ok with the idea of being sold on 2 QB's being the franchise in 2 years and giving them both a lot of money.
I'm pretty sure that once the keys were handed over, Clark Hunt isn't meddling too much. I doubt that this is a problem. The Chiefs have to spend that #5 pick money no matter who they draft. And I think everyone and their mom realizes that there aren't going to be a lot of players in FA to spend on anyway.

Seriously, I don't see any major obstacle. If the Chiefs like Clausen, they'll take him. To say otherwise is pure conspiracy theory.

the Talking Can 02-15-2010 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 6534762)
Cassel is the QB. Pioli gave him a ton of cash for that role. If we did draft Clausen he would ride the pine for 2010 for certain.
you say that likes it a bad thing

clausen riding the pine for a year would be the best thing....

DeezNutz 02-15-2010 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6534869)
I'm pretty sure that once the keys were handed over, Clark Hunt isn't meddling too much. I doubt that this is a problem. The Chiefs have to spend that #5 pick money no matter who they draft. And I think everyone and their mom realizes that there aren't going to be a lot of players in FA to spend on anyway.

Seriously, I don't see any major obstacle. If the Chiefs like Clausen, they'll take him. To say otherwise is pure conspiracy theory.
Hang on, now. It's almost 100 percent accepted that Clark was the reason why we had to **** around with Gailey for as long as we did, so I'm not as confident in his "hands-off" approach.

Mecca 02-15-2010 08:35 PM
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I'm pretty sure that once the keys were handed over, Clark Hunt isn't meddling too much. I doubt that this is a problem. The Chiefs have to spend that #5 pick money no matter who they draft. And I think everyone and their mom realizes that there aren't going to be a lot of players in FA to spend on anyway.

Seriously, I don't see any major obstacle. If the Chiefs like Clausen, they'll take him. To say otherwise is pure conspiracy theory.
Wouldn't you say it's a pretty safe assumption this team won't be using it's 1st pick on a QB?

Mr. Flopnuts 02-15-2010 08:35 PM
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It would make a lot more sense if Weiss said that Cassel didn't have the physical tools. How can Weiss possibly judge Cassel in that regard already?

Cassel battled a ton of issues outside his control, and stayed pretty positive for the most part.

Cassel's mental toughness is the very least of my concerns.

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There's a lot of people on this website who have been talking about Cassel, and his lack of any poise as the year progressed. He looked scared back there frequently. Even after the line improved. I think he's a pussy. Looks like Weis agrees.

Brock 02-15-2010 08:35 PM
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You can note it all you want, the odds of the Chiefs using the 5th pick this year on a QB is about the same as Hootie growing a brain.
I was actually being sarcastic, because I would never bother to note your opinion as if it meant anything. There's just too many "Kawika Mitchell's going to get 30 million dollars" posts under the bridge.

TRR 02-15-2010 08:35 PM
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Time will tell.
At least you got one thing right in your post. ;o)
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TRR 02-15-2010 08:38 PM
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There's a lot of people on this website who have been talking about Cassel, and his lack of any poise as the year progressed. He looked scared back there frequently. Even after the line improved. I think he's a pussy. Looks like Weis agrees.
Eloquently said.

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chiefzilla1501 02-15-2010 08:40 PM
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Wouldn't you say it's a pretty safe assumption this team won't be using it's 1st pick on a QB?
I doubt they draft a QB there. But I don't think it will be because they were afraid to take another QB or because of politics.

If we follow Pioli's history, he likes to take QBs around the 2nd or 3rd. And frankly, I think there are a lot of teams that will be afraid to rate Clausen as a legit top 10 pick. Question that decision all you want. But that's a very different reason.

Easy 6 02-15-2010 08:41 PM
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I would be willing to bet that if somehow both QB's aren't gone by 5 the Chiefs attempt to move down, everyone will think the Chiefs are going to take the QB and we'll just be dropping out, Pioli is not going to take a QB top 5 basically admitting his pick of Cassel was an epic ****up.
I dont completely buy the angle that Pioli, regardless of investment made in Cassel, wouldnt insure the mission critical QB position with a kid that is very well known & liked by his talented & trusted comrade OC.

It wouldnt be an admission of anything, other than wanting to be as set as possible at QB. Cassel gets hurt or maybe he's still kinda grinding along a year & half from now...


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