If I were a moron who found myself in a spirited disagreement with somebody on the internet, I'd never resort to passive aggressively attacking them.

I've been criticized for having posted political threads in the Lounge over the years. I made it clear that it was an accident and requested that it be moved or deleted. Proof of that fact is that since we've added the required thread labels, I never again accidentally posted a thread in the Lounge. I always catch it when the list of labels aren't the ones from DC.

Point is that there is now no excuse for posting a political or religious thread in the Lounge.

I'd support a thread-starting ban for anyone posting political or religious threads in the DC.

It's deliberate rule violation that shows the person is deliberately breaking the rules.

mefrazodi

Straw man indeed. Oh, you're so repressed, Stevie. How do you bear it? ROFL

This isn't censorship. Becky didn't steal Dole's login and delete patteeu's thread. Really. BTW, I was here at the beginning too, so spare me your horseshit ChiefsPlanet history lesson. These threads are just getting moved where they belong. Separate but equal may not have worked in the South, but it works just fine in cyberspace. Nobody is telling any of what you can or can't post. It's just a matter of keeping it in the proper forum - the forum that was specifically created for it at the urging of the vast majority of the BB members.

HELP! HELP! I'M BEING REPRESSED!!!!!!! :deevee:

Awesome.

I say we just delete all the sub forums and let it become a free-for all.

Don't make me come down there. :grr:

You don't even address the biggest issue here. The biggest issue is the gray area between news/current events and politics and the way that line has a tendency to shift depending on who the poster is. As someone pointed out early on, this thread could be considered political, but since Frazod posted it, he's not available to whine about it.

I'd say I've made my point, unless you have some patteeumatical equation that can prove that 30% somehow beats 70%.

Feel free to see about getting this relocated anywhere you want, although I guess we'll have to get it removed from your ass first.

Vast majority? I lost count of the number of times you and other similarly misguided posters tried to create a politics subforum and lost before you finally mustered enough votes (with the help of a couple of turncoats like jAZ, who btw was one of the biggest spammers at the time) to get it done. Don't act like this was a slam dunk landslide.

It would be awesome. I say we try it for a couple of weeks

Your tears are just as tasty as always. :D

Votes? I knew it!

MODS! Please move this to the political forum.

Why would I want it moved? That's not my thing, it's yours.

As for your little poll, it seems kind of meaningless to me. It's meaningless because several of the "yes" voters made it clear that they only had abusive cases in mind, but more importantly it's meaningless because like so many of your other inane ideas, the mods are going to keep on being reasonable anyway.

It was a fun little thread though. Thanks for posting it. :)

We should talk to some of your liberal friends - perhaps we can rustle you up a "I participated" trophy. :thumb:

I want to sneak an "I voted for Obama" bumper sticker on his car. :evil:

It's not very gray IMO. If it's political or religious, then it stays in the DC, no matter who posts it (a DC regular, a Lounge-only regular, or a total noob).

The LONE exception is a major news event, one that rises above politics, then it stays in the Lounge until it's hijacked (then moved).

That exception is handled by the mods and they usually get it right. That's a gray area I'm comfortable with.

But the question being raised here is people who are deliberately and repeatedly trying to take minor stories with a political or religious angle and turning it into a debate in the Lounge.

That's worthy of punishment.

I'll take all the blame you have for creating the sub forum. It was the right thing to do and generally has worked out well. My only request the whole time was that it be listed as a sub forum of the Lounge and be given the visibility that the 2nd most trafficked forum deserved.

Since that change, I've been perfectly happy with the DC/Lounge situation.

If we police the political/religious threads in this manner, then we would have to police threads about movies, music, tv, electronics, etc in the same fashion, as we have a separate forum for those as well. And also threads about the draft, gambling, or fantasy sports, as they have their own forum, too. We can't just pick on threads about stuff that we may or may not like.

For this reason, I'm voting no. I think the mods are doing a good job the way they are handling things right now.

The mods move those threads, too. Which is fine. It's good those forums exist because it keeps the main forum cleaned up.

It's the nature of political/religious threads that are the problem. For example, nobody is going to post a picture of an aborted fetus in a thread about iPods.

I disagree 100%. Political threads account for nearly 15% of the entire Lounge and they are divisive and a major distraction to the general readers of the Lounge. That's hugely different than the media, pictures, draft and other forums.

Something just occurred to me. These people? What the **** you mean these people?

That's nonsense. Politics and religion spark more arguments and bile than any other subject. Keep it out of here.

You must have already forgotten about Mark Sanchez.

I got your back frazod! Keep those rats in the cage!

Just kidding. Sorta. Not a big fan of subforums.. I still think we should keep the media and draft stuff on the main forum. But when 2004 rolled around the DC stuff was out of control.

well, this is a football forum. Arguing about football is at least part of why this forum is here.

It was a joke, dude.

Certainly separating out the media and draft forums isn't nearly as important, but I don't really have a problem with it.

1) Agreed on the other stuff.
2) It wouldn't be any different today than 2004.

Sure it would. Now we have Shitsprayer. :doh!:

I think that is overkill.

I guess I don't see this as much of a problem. Maybe I am missing something.

Whether you realize it or not, that's a huge gray area when you've got people like Frazod around. You may know it when you see it, but different people have different opinions about where the line is drawn.

In any event, it's worth repeating that you are one of the biggest reasons there's a problem with political topics in the Lounge to begin with. You were one of the two or three who couldn't contain yourself enough to avoid spamming the board late in the 2004 election cycle and now we all pay for your sins. You're a little like the drug addict who first argued for the banishment to save the board from yourself and who, after going into recovery, now argues in favor of harsh sentences for other drug users.


That's actually not the question being raised here. I almost never post a thread in the Lounge. I even more rarely post a thread that has any tangential relationship to politics here. Frazod makes it clear that he considers my recent Cheney prayer thread to be objectionable. By your own standards, a prayer thread belongs in the Lounge where the prayer thread prefix is available and even if DC had prayer prefixes, it's still just a news story as long as it isn't about political positions or a political campaign, IMO. Despite all this, Frazod and a few others didn't "know it when they saw it" the same way you say you would. Furthermore, several of the people who complain about politics in the Lounge actively worked to turn the Cheney prayer thread political, some even went so far as to post irrelevant content about abortion in the effort.

If anyone is worthy of punishment in that scenario (and I'm not advocating punishment here), it's not the guy who just wanted to generate positive thoughts for another human being. It's the people who don't want politics in the Lounge so much that they apparently couldn't resist trying to load the thread down with politics.

In all fairness Pat you knew what you were doing when you started a prayer thread about Cheney in the Lounge. I went and read through the thread and you even admitted in your OP that it would be moved to DC. You can't blame anybody but yourself on this one so don't try to play little mrs. innocent.

I didn't "admit" that "it would be moved". I made my case for why I didn't think it was political and left it in the hands of the mods, knowing that there would be people like Frazod who would complain regardless of content just because I'm associated with DC.

If you're really interested in fairness, you should admit that the OP wasn't political and that I didn't do anything to make the thread political. It could have just as easily been a prayer request for a rock star or a NASCAR driver as for a former politician based on the way I treated it prior to it's overnight retirement to the DC forum.

Edit: BTW, I think the mods handled that particular thread in a fine fashion.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present the Neocon Ringleader, patteeu. If ever you needed a reason why politards should be contained, he's it.

According to patteeu, his obvious, devisive thread wasn't devisive, posting political crap in a forum filled with people who don't want to see it is good, posting political crap in a forum filled with people who do want to see it is bad, having to make an extra mouse click before posting a political thread is censorship, anyone who disagrees with him is misguided, and, of course, the whole thing is jAZ's fault. And through it all, he ignores the wishes of the majority and gives the mods a first class ball washing!

Keep posting, patteeu. Nothing furthers my cause more than you being yourself. :thumb:

You're one of the few posters who consistently spells my name right. I appreciate that. It says to me you care. :)

It actually just says that I can read.

Is that all you've got left?

Oooh, that's right! I had forgotten about your stunt. Yeah, you were indeed guilty of trying to manipulate the rules and take a minor political news story and turn it into a public fawning over your favorite politician.

See, you don't really know it when you see it and your deficient "know it when you see it" standard is in conflict with your "the prefix tells me where to post" standard. Your position is a mess, to be honest.

You know what you were doing when you started the thread and the mere mention in the OP that you had no problem having it moved to DC if it warranted proves that you knew from the beginning it was political and that people would view that way.

And let's be honest Dick Cheney is not like a rock star or a NASCAR driver he is a politician which mean your thread was political and should have been in DC to begin with.

But in all honesty I could care less and people might have thought I was joking but we should merge it all back into the Lounge in the off-season and create some fun and chaos. :D

I completely disagree on the Cheney thread. I NEVER go into DC, and caught the news about Cheney in the Lounge. I think it was something that most would want to know. JMO.

Be quiet doomy you are not helping any. :)

No, I knew that some small-minded, knee-jerk members might see it as political, but it was definitely not political. There wasn't a political thought, idea, or argument advanced in that OP at all, nor in any of my posts prior to the point at which the thread was moved to DC late that night.

And it doesn't matter whether Cheney is a politician or not (in fact, he's nothing but an aspiring author now). If Barack Obama were assassinated tomorrow (heaven forbid), the fact that he was a politician wouldn't mean that a news thread about the event shouldn't be posted here.

As for merging the forums for a couple of weeks, I think your idea is a good one. Of course, I think the forums should be merged permanently, but I realize that with all the newer posters who have no appreciation for the greatness of pre-split ChiefsPlanet, it would be pretty hard to overcome the natural resistance to change and what has become conventional wisdom around here.

I think newer members who read bullshit like this will develop an instant appreciation for the creation of DC, which remains the single greatest thing to ever happen to this board.

Personally, I think the mods should merge the two forums for a week just to annoy frazod.

It would annoy far more people that just me. That's the main thing all you patteeuwans fail to understand.

I understand that just fine.

I have no idea what you are saying, but I'll assume you are confused.

I have been accused of deliberately posting political threads in the Lounge and I never did that. I've posted them there on accident in the past. I stopped doing it all together when we setup the prefixes because I would notice that the list of choices wasn't the right list, and I'd avoid the accident. It's never happened again since then.

Now if you are indeed trying to put a political thread in the Lounge, you will see the list of Lounge prefixes and look for one that fits your stunt. I'm guessing you picked "prayer" for yours.

There's a lot of news in the DC that fits this description. That doesn't change the fact that it's a political thread and a political stunt by patteeu (I always spell your name right too).

Speaking of which, what's your opinion of Barack Hussein's job performance so far? Living up to your expectations?

Rules are rules...

Since you betrayed him, your correct spelling is beneath notice.

Damned liberal. LMAO

Ha! If I recall, you started your Dick Cheney image-rehabilitation sympathy stunt by telling CP how much they loved Dick Cheney?

Yes, I'm sure you do.

Heh, trying to get the thread moved?

He's doing pretty well. Republicans and some of the Dems in Congress (ie, Harry Reid and some on the Senate Finance Committee) suck. I'd like to see Reid retire Dick Durbin take Harry's job.

I've never been who expected much. And I had no idea that Joe Lieberman was never going to let a substantive healthcare reform bill pass. I just didnt' know his history back in 1993.

Anyway, I'll shut up now.

Yes, I picked "prayer" because it was a prayer thread. Therefore, according to your "the prefix tells me where to post" standard, I was in good shape.

However, you seem to think my thread was a political thread. You're wrong about that, but obviously your "I'll know it when I see it" standard tells you I posted in the wrong forum.

In other words, your two standards are in conflict. That's only a part of the reason your position on this topic is a mess though.

I referenced a relevant ChiefsPlanet poll administered by the incomparable and non-controversial ChiefsPlanet polling expert (Rain Man), himself, yes. How does that make the thread political? If that's all it takes to make a thread political, then Phobia's earlier post is as much satirical commentary as it was a light-hearted joke.

No, I'm not. Since you ejected from DC, I don't get the chance to "speak" with you very often. So, I had little choice but to ask you in this thread.

I shudder to think of it. I pretty much stopped visiting this place after the 04election. The DC forum and an influx of new posters who didn't always take themselves so seriously (FAX, for instance) were what made this place enjoyable again for me.

I enjoy reading DC and I'm glad it's there, but I really don't like it leaking over to this side.

What would this place be without a few people to carry the burden of being wrong on each topic. :D

Speaking of opinions....how is it that most of the regular DC posters have an opinion ( and apparently a highly informed one) about every subject that ever comes up? I mean, how is it possible for so many people to know so much about everything from health care to international politics to the economy to the military to terrorism and on into infinity? Some of these folks can barely write a coherent sentence, yet they'll still argue over the finer points of the global warming debate or the UN's role in the Middle East.

Between work and the family and the house and such, I can barely find time for mindless CP posting and managing my fantasy sports teams.

Pat, as one of the legitimately smart DC posters, can you explain to me the DC Forum method of time management? I too would like to Be an Expert On Everything! :D

You're sitting on a boatload of casino cash. I can take you under my wing and teach you about everything but it's not going to be cheap. :)

That casino cash was generously bestowed upon me by RNR, who is a scholar and a gentleman despite his poor (and I use that term generously) taste in football teams. I have no idea what to do with it but being the left leaning fellow that I am I'll probably end up giving it away to a teenage crack whore with six kids. Unless you have a better idea, of course!

Many of the topics in DC have a direct and tangible impact on our lives. As such, it makes sense to be well-informed of them. It seems that people who have a dislike of politics (or other topics in that lounge) would rather not deal with such topics, for whatever reason. As you wrote, "fantasy sports teams."

That is the power of the Planet, similar to the effect of staying at a Holiday Inn Express. :)

Kind of like being a teenager - that time of life when you know everything but haven't faced many of life's problems ........

I voted yes. But there is a slight problem here. Some threads start up as anything but political, but other posters make it so. For example, if I post anything from the old country simply because it's cute or has cultural value the usual suspects jump in and start with the insults and political attacks. Then according to this poll, I would be in danger of losing my thread privileges. Fraz should have included an option to direct the blame to the repliers who would make a non-political thread political.

Just my 2 cents.

Perhaps any and all interaction among posters should be verboten? That'd solve everything, wouldn't it?

There is a difference between "well informed" and "full of shit".

I'm mostly joking here Donger, but at the same time it's not too hard to spot the difference between those who really know what they're talking about and those who pretend to. And I'm sure you know what I mean.

It's sort of an intellectual version of the Internet Tough Guy.

Edit: None of that is directed at you, BTW.

I realize you have some simple-minded stalkers who think every Iranian who ever lived is a terrorist, but there's a big difference between a harmless thread getting hijacked by morons and one that's an obvious button-pusher. A reasonable person can easily tell the difference.

It would definitely cut down the STD numbers ....

I hear you, Frankie. That's a reasonable take. Same thing happened to me in the thread that got stuck in Frazod's craw.

Please don't blow my cover.

Sorry, patty. Nobody bought it before, nobody buys it now.

ROFL

The way I look at these things is that we're all responsible for the things we post. I'm not responsible for the things posted by you and Laz and the others who insisted on getting political in that thread though. To the extent that that thread went political, it's on you guys.

I created a non-political prayer thread, said some nice things about a guy I respect, told some humorous but non-political anecdotes, and turned the other cheek when naysayers came out from under their rocks. I think I defended my position pretty well, even if you don't.

LMAO

There are plenty of us who follow politics and have opinions on political issues. You guys did this to yourselves. But in typical political fashion, it'll be spun onto all us idiots in the main forum.

It doesn't mean I don't like politics or follow politics, but sitting here watching the same group of people argue along the same party lines over and over became repetitive and pointless. The only thing it accomplished was make people angry at each other.

Besides managing my fantasy sports teams, I sometimes read big books with lots of words and no pictures. I also get the paper every morning and I don't even read the comics. Except for Sundays, of course. On Sunday mornings I read the comics and eat pancakes and never watch Meet the Press. I love Sunday morning.

I don't have a "the prefix tells me where to post" standard. In fact, there can't be a "prefix tells me where to post" standard since anyone could rationalize literally any thread in DC under several literally any post in DC using just a couple of the prefixes in the Lounge.

"News"
"Life"
"Science"
"Money"
"Prayer"
"Weather"

Not to mention the way too easy... "Misc" and "Poop"

Just because you can find a way to rationalize that something is (some Lounge prefix) doesn't mean it's not political.

The standard should be "if it's about public policy, hot button political topics, political news, politicians, religion or religious news" then it should stay in DC.

I'd say that the lone exception (policed by the judgement of the mods) should be major national or local KC news stories. That's a judgement call of the Mods but it's rare.

Dick Cheney going into the hospital for the Nth time isn't a major news story. Neither is Obama getting a clean bill of health.
Praying for Obama to quit smoking or Cheney to get healthy or Biden to shut his mouth aren't exceptions either.

Bush or Cheney or Gore or Clinton or Obama or Biden dying would probably qualify as an exception.
Kerry or McCain or even Palin would be a close call but I'd lean toward major national news.
Emanuel Cleaver dying would definitely qualify as an exception (because it's a major KC story).
Stephanie Tubbs Jones dying wouldn't.