No, I'm saying that a safety needs help from the people up front to create situations where mistakes are being made by the quarterback, running back, receivers, etc. that allow the safety to make plays versus forcing them to be the "last line of defense" guy that Brown and McGraw were last season.

Im saying that Brown has been a playmaker for his whole career, but having an excellent defense in front of him allowed him to make those plays. On the Chiefs, there wasn't much happening that allowed him to do that.

As I stated, you could put Paul Krause and Ronnie Lott on this team and it wouldn't drastically help matters. That's why I'm saying that the pick of Berry is a bit frivolous at this point for the Chiefs. (Although he would help in nickel alignment situations.)

OK you guess? He was basically equivalent to Flowers last year (minus the ball skills). Who thinks Albert struggled his rookie year?

He was too fat/Haley

Albert also improved markedly as the season progressed last season.

The kid is a LT in this league.

I've had this discussion several times already, but we ran the ball as anyone in football in the 2nd half last year and got sacked singificantly less often as the season went on (even with Cassel's ball-clamping ways back there). The line was pretty decent as the season went on.

I've said it before, outside of the CBs and Charles, the O-line was our most effective unit by the end of the season.

No, no, no.

Albert has been shit since the day he was born.

Just ask sackofshit.

Agreed.........even though he let a throw go right through his hands in a drill, promting Deion Sanders to give him some business. I hope we pick Berry, though. Can get OL help in the lower rounds.

Not in a 3-4, it's not. I agree that safeties are more likely to get picked off when the front 3 doesn't do their job, or when they're covering the asses for our LBs.

But Safeties have become one of the more vital piece to a 3-4, because it gives you so much range for the kinds of looks you can give an opposing defense. Polamalu can blow up screens, play as a corner, or rush the QB, in addition to being big/tough enough to be big in run support. There are a lot of looks Lebeau can't give when Polamalu isn't in the game--he's that important.

O-linemen, 3-4 D-linemen, Inside Linebackers are all paid to do their jobs well, but they're not going to be playmakers that completely change the way you play defense/offense. A Safety has the potential to turn your defense from vanilla to innovative. One player is that important.

Shutup dick, you don't know what you're talking.....

Wait...what did you say?

If I agree with you, then I'm clearly mistaken. I generally find you to be the football equivalent of a CoMo prognostication.

Good thing I'm pro-Clausen or I'd be really concerned about backing Berry.

The Patriots won the 2004 superbowl (that was Wilforks rookie year and Romeos last in NE FTR) He started the second half of the season and did so start in the superbowl.

http://www.patriots.com/search/index...=11016&pcid=41

Warren was there for the 2003 and 2004 superbowl. (thats 2 buddy, though I dont think he started in his first superbowl I know he started in the 2004 one from the article I linked)

You cant deflect that a lot of the best teams in the NFL spend a lot of first rounders on their DL and more specifically their run defense.

2005 was his last year as a playmaker. He's slow as shit because of age and a history of major injuries.

But lets assume you are correct, that DB's will benefit from an improved DL. So what? What does that have to do with KC drafting Berry? KC has two top 5 picks invested in the DL. There isn't a NT ranked as high as Berry, nor is there a pass rushing OLB ranked that high. Why not go with the safety?

Sorry, buddy, but those are my top 2 too.

So really you should be pimping Clausen??

I would rather an Ed Reed clone over John Tait any day of the week...

Seriously? he doesn’t seem all that impressive to me. I would have rather (if i thought Albert was a bust) taken a left tackle last year.. To be honest im starting to like Bruce Campbell a lot more than Okung...

Im not sure how having an Ed Reed clone hurts this team in any way? With this league becoming pass oriented i dont see at all how it can hurt the Chiefs. I think ull find that the value of safeties in future drafts will sky rocket.


So again we should be taking Clausen then??

When it comes down to it the only way you can justify your pimping of Okung is by your belief that he will be a top 10 tackle in this league, Albert is a complete bust and Cassel is going to be a franchise QB.

That’s all fine your entitled to ur opinion, but it is of my opinion that Okung is not a top 10 LT, Albert will be fine and Cassel sucks donkey dick. Also im of the belief that Clausen seem like a possible franchise tackle and that Berry is essentially Ed Reed, while Okung is nothing special.

With that in mind IMHO it is most certainly a skull **** of a pick to take Okung, as through him were wasting a high pick on a player that IMO we already have and using one of our limited high first round picks in doing so...

It will be interesting to see whos right and whos wrong but we wont no for awhile now.

However it seems pretty stupid to question my takes on football and the draft and vice versa when essentially were using the same method but with different opinions on certain players...

It will if we miss out on another chance to draft a franchise QB or a game changing saftey for a 'quality player' at LT....................

It will be about the second week of summer camp at the latest. When they make Bulaga their starting left tackle and Albert is at either left or right guard, depending upon who they prefer at either position between Waters and Albert.

In three years, you'll be begging the gods of replay that they had the opportunity to take Okung, as Berry languishes in relative obscurity in Tampa Bay, Bulaga is a middling LT for the Chiefs, and Okung is knocking the piss out of people under Shanahan in DC.

FindtheOkung

No, most NFL teams spend first rounders on pass rushers, not Tyson Jacksons.

Yes, it's an important position from the perspective of the run defense of a 3-4, and yes its value will increase as more teams run the 3-4, but you were putting words in my mouth by assuming that they didn't spend picks on DL. I didn't.

What I said was that New England won their Super Bowls when all of the linemen who are there now were not major contributors.

You don't have to have 3 1st rounders on your DL to be successful, and that's born out by the fact that NE's defense has been worse since those players have become better.

They aren't a panacea.

All I did was correct the errors in the post, if that was taken as putting words in your mouth I do apologize.

All Im saying is that this defense doesnt look to its pass rush as a reason they are consistently good, its their run defense. Over the last ten years they have only had two players (3 counting Tull banta cain last year) get double digit sacks. Its built on run defense from the inside out with versatile players.

If they decide to draft a LOLB they likely wont target the best pass rusher, more so the best run defender that can cover.

I know its not flashy, but its what to expect.

I dont remember ever liking Bulaga... If Bulaga is the pick i seriously may hurl.....

Bulaga will be the best Ol from this class when its all said and done.

I think he is much better than Okung from watching both.

I question about his arm length and his hands are small but everything else is there. Hes a good kid too.

Moeaki will be the drafts biggest sleeper, Bulaga will be the classes best OL and I think Angerer has a 10+ year career with a couple probowls.

Crazy thing is their best player last year IMHO was Adrian Clayborne and it wasnt even close. He will be a top ten guy next year.

Go Hawkeyes!

Veldheer is the one I want in the 2nd-3rd round range

The 34 OLB's in this draft are incredibly athletic. 240+ pound DE/OLBs who have enough quickness and agility to top almost all of the RB's in the draft (from draft nasty):

Jerry Hughes DE/OLB TCU

Probably the most fluid of the conversion 3-4 OLBs in drills..he also ran extremely well (4.69), which wasn't much of a surprise. He put up good numbers in the bench press (26), showed lower body explosiveness and true bend ability in bag drills. His short area burst to close ranks near the top of this class and it translated to the drill work in Indy. His time of 4.15 in the 20 yard short shuttle may have been one of the eye opening numbers of the weekend at any position. Especially when you consider that Hughes' short shuttle would have ranked fourth among running backs and was faster than Cal's Jahvid Best. Hughes has a solid chance to be a first round pick.

Thaddeus Gibson DE/OLB Ohio State

Gibson, 6'2" 243 pounds, was believed to have made a questionable decision to come out early for the 2010 NFL Draft. However, after looking very solid in all of the 3-4 OLB conversion drills and showing surprising strength (32 reps/225), Gibson has at least solidified a place amongst the top 3-4 OLB prospects in this year's draft. His time of 6.84 in the 3 Cone Drill would have tied Wayne State's Joique Bell for second among the running backs.

Hughes has put himself into first round discussion at this point.

He's athletic as all hell, my only concern is that he is a converted RB.. so I expect a pretty steep learning curve for him compared to someone like Graham.... but I would jump on either one at our 2a pick if they slipped... and I would be ecstatic if Kindle fell that far.

He was a running back in high school. I don't think that by him being on the defensive side of the ball for the past four years and starting for the last two and excelling at it means that he's got some massive learning curve. It's going to be the same for both Hughes and Graham (oops! I mean Woodley - sorry about that.) in terms of converting to an OLB position in a 3-4 at the next level - if they go to a 3-4 team.

If they were all there with the Chiefs pick, I'd go:

1. Kindle
2. Hughes
3. Graham-Woodley

Kindle is a given... Hughes is slightly more athletic but not nearly as strong as Graham .. who played LB since he was 8. Graham gets the nod from me based on that... I have watched ever game both have played(U-M fan with family at TCU) and I love Hughes but Graham edges him.

All of this is assuming they all go 3-4 OLB. I only hope that at least ONE of them falls to us at the 2a pick...

Huh?

I'm guessing he's talking about all the so called experts who probably haven't watched this team since Dick left.

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