There is a Ulysses-type depth to your penzing.

It's really not that difficult to understand. Lilja wasn't that good last year Wade Smith was good when he played.

Good signing, as long as the failed physical was an excuse to get out of paying his contract.

The best part of this signing is that it narrows the chances of Albert being moved.

Unfortunately, it's still entirely possible that we do something monumentally stupid and either move Albert to RT or draft a RT at 5th overall.

He missed 2008...

It's so obvious, because of the dollars and all.

What are those dollars, again?

You can bet your ass it won't e 500K and lifetime supply of subway sandwiches. I assure you it will be more then what you sign a backup lineman for. Do you disagree with that presumption? If you do, I'll back to you once the numbers are released. I'm guessing 3 years - 6mil at least.

LT - Okung
LG - Albert
C - Waters
RG - Lilja
RT - O'callaghan


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Then why sign Weigman, who can only play center, if you are going to do that?

Not that we are going to go with Laz's lineup, but Weigman would provide quality depth in that scenario.

Just reading around about his situation at the Colts most people considered him the 2nd best OL on that team. Unless he is hurt this is an upgrade over who we have or had.

Maybe Waters gets released? It's not like he's one of Haley's guys. Expect change.

PhilFree:arrow:

What I don't agree with is making a grand assumption based on another grand assumption. Lilja didn't appear to have many suitors, no scheduled visits, so I doubt he held very much leverage in negotiations. I'd like to think that the Chiefs signed him to a contract less than what Thomas Jones made, but according to you...no way.

It's on now, no more "mailing it in" with free agency!!!
 

****ing stupid.

But why should we be surprised at your constant dumbassery?

Released?

He's worth a 2nd rounder, easily.

I know because I've read it on Chiefsplanet.

Cool, I'll bump this thread when the numbers are released. I'd say it's in the ball park of what TJ got.

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personally i think the Wiegmann might end up retiring and is going to move back to KC if it doesn't work out anyway because of his GF/Wife.

who knows ... maybe he will be an Oline coach or do sports talk radio.

he's a insurance policy against Waters not be able to make the transition to Center.

that's said ... i have no idea whether that lineup with happen i was just throwing something out there.

but .....

Waters has work at center a bit before(had trouble with exchange)
albert has work at guard before(college)
Haley did mention Waters sliding into Center(a month ago or so)


besides is fun messing with all the people who freak out about the possibility of drafting an Oline in the 1st round. Maybe they will all join into some kind of suicide agreement and off themselves. :D

I would think for depth you would keep players that are more versitle and younger. That lineup just isn't happening.

He was pissed that he had to go to Indy to win a Superbowl and play in another, so he wanted to come to KC where there is no chance of such things occurring.

LT - Okung
LG - Waters
C - Weigmann
RG - Lilja
RT - Albert


Sadly I really see this happening. We will pass on Berry, and Chiefs nation will start riots.

Good signing. Possible starter at RG unless beaten out or not healthy, and quality depth in case Waters is injured.

The OLine should have quality competition unlike last season.
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KK's show (810) sez:

1. Chiefs building the oldest and smallest NFL o-line.

2. Chiefs appear to be going low salary in anticipation of strike year.

:rolleyes:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...0-6f6c11c9f1b6

per Looney:

When we let Lilja get away..



Here’s what the Chiefs official depth chart looked like, behind the five o-line starters, on Opening Day in 2004:


LT – Jordan Black, Kevin Sampson

LG – Jordan Black

C – Chris Bober

RG – John Welbourne

RT – Brett Williams

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Awesome! Glass half empty...
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All the more reason to take Okung then....see where Pioli is going with this??

Disagree with 1. Lilja isn't old he is 28 and should be in his prime. Waters and Weigman are the only old guys.

I agree with #2 or that they are expecting a new CBA and spending a ton of money next year.

and just to add

Lilja = 290 28 years old
Weigman = 285 36 years old
Waters = 320 33 years old
Alberts = 316 25 years old
Callaghan = 330 26 years old

Average weight = 308.2
Average age = 29.6

i think we are implementing more zone blocking... hence weigman and lilja, as for the age... i dunno... we'll see where we are after the draft.

Waters and Wiegman may be old, but they're one of the most durable players in the league and can still give you decent play.

Smaller on the right side but not the smallest or oldest line in the NFL.

Why would the Colts release a 28 year old starting offensive lineman seemingly in the prime of his career?

Bad knees. How did those other guars do when the Colts dumped them?

Because it's an organization with a recent history of making poor decision after poor decision.

They wanted to go bigger and since Mudd has retired this gives them this opportunity.

I've been thinking that they might try to get something of value for Waters. A team that thinks it's close to competing might cough up a fourth rounder for him if he filled a need.

I could see Wiegmann being a 1 year tutor for someone like Tennant as well.

They signed Andy Alleman so are the Chiefs dumb or are the Colts dumb?

They are buddies too. Through thick and thin. Brothers from another mother.

Oh, Pioli has had the magic touch since coming to KC. I trust his expertise completely.

I just hope he can make the games fun again, like they were when Vermeil was here!

Go Chiefs!

You are being sarcastic you hate the Chiefs! Is there an echo in here? This guy just agrees with Dane all the time.

It was a serious question.

I'm really a Jets troll who came over with Herm. I simply had an interest to see how my beloved coach would do with your team, and I ended up sticking around for awhile.

Sorry you sad sacks of shit have Cassel as your QB.

And you received a legitimate answer. /Swift

I call BS

On what?

I answered the question very clearly. Directly? Eh. But very, very clearly.

So let me be more direct: At this point I've seen precious little evidence to suggest that Pioli wouldn't **** up a wet dream, so until he provides otherwise, I'll consider him to have the talent evaluating skills of his soul mate, Dayton Moore.

Because they used up his best years, which could've been in a Chiefs uniform if your lord and savior wasn't a short sighted piece of shit, and now he is probably done.

I don't think you answered my question so I will try again. Are the Chiefs stupid for cutting Alleman and are the Colts smart for signing him or vice versa?

I agree with this, both guys known to be 'great execs asst gms etc' havent shown shit yet....Pioli doesn't get much patience and his draft last year wasn't good at all, esp our top pick. The FA decisions are mediocre at best

This draft will make this place implode or have hope that pioli isnt clueless

I defy you to find a team with a better offseason so far.

Just curious what you're basing this on?

I'm sorry that you didn't understand my initial post because, again, I answered the question.

How did the Chiefs acquire Alleman, again? Oh, and how did the Colts acquire him? And what is his role going to be in Indy, since they also gave up something to get him?

I always like fictitious binaries.

But...right now, keeping Alleman would make far more sense than signing Lilja. But I wouldn't have made the trade for him in the first place.

Any standouts on our team that we've signed? Chambers was a decent pickup, but other than that? Alot of depth type of moves, no splashes.

Who would you have liked to have seen signed that qualifies as a "standout"?

Maybe a guy like Peppers, or another WR that would've helped like Walter and I would've liked an attempt at Dansby. I do like the Thomas Jones signing though. I am willing to give the guy a chance, we'll see how this draft goes and next years free agency.

5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

"come on man! playmakers! guys who make plays! Who play to win the game! jimmy clausen... because i saw him on TV once."

I'm still hoping the Chiefs draft an O-linemen in the first round just to see this place go off.

i think either way something will happen, i just really hope we dont **** up our picks, there are guys that can really help this team out there

I wasn't trying to create a fictitious binary I was just asking a question. Pioli and now Polian saw something in the guy to give him a roster spot. Of course so did 3 other teams in 3 years and each time he got cut\traded.

Do you remember what pick we traded for Alleman\Ndukwe?

I like the signing of Lilja as long as he is healthy. He is fairly young and should be in the prime of his career. He is a definite upgrade over anything we had at the position.

c'mon. Everyone knows you draft playmakers, not sign them in FA.:evil:

I think Peppers was a Bear well before free agency ever began. Dansby would have been good, but the only way we would have gotten him here is by paying an ungodly amount of $$ for him. I'm with you on Walter, but for the short term Chambers is just as good and already knows the system. Walter is used to having the best receiver in the game on the field with him. Odds are he won't be as effective without that elite WR opposite him.

I'm not being a dick, I'm just pointing out that for who we are right now I think he's doing the best he can with what he has. The draft will be key, if he doesn't prove himself in this year's draft, I'll be much more ready to give up on him. No way I'm there yet.

My bad.

I believe it was a late-round selection. We don't have any 6th or 7th rounders, for example.

Here's my deal. Yeah, people saw something in Alleman, just like Pioli, who saw enough to give up something of real value in return. Yes, I'm one of those idiots who think even 6th or 7th round selections can be meaningful.

That said, I'd rather have Alleman for o-line depth than a player who *might* be washed up because of injuries. Now, I guess this is where you have to trust your medical staff. If they say Lilja is fine, well, all right...

I agree with you, and no worries...

I am not giving up on him yet, i just hope he gets some good players in this draft and im not wondering 'who the **** is that' when i see the picks made. Last year i hated seeing tyson jackson drafted. I agree with peppers, def. wouldve loved to get dansby but who knows if they tried, we are a hard sell right now anyway.

I thought this guy's knees were shot?
How'd he pass a physical?
If he can play, great. If not, just another training camp motivator for the young guys trying to make the 40 man roster.

Now I wonder if this signing was made cause it's a local guy and they missed out on Sproles...

Because if a team really wants to sign a guy like that they can just pass him on his physical, it wouldn't be the first time it happened.

Fair enough. If Lilja is healthy then we have a legit starter instead of a 3rd team backup. I would hope the Chiefs medical staff isn't reeruned and cleared him though nothing would surprise me.

I doubt that came into the Chiefs decision making. People don't pay to see local players that play OL.

Option 1. Allemen who hasn't done a thing in the league but bounce from team to team and who might have potential.
Option 2. Lilja who has a history as a starter, has played exceptionally well most of his career, 28 years old, mainly needs to get healthy (started every game last year) and you have a known commodity.

I take option #2 every time assuming he passes a physical, which he apparently did.

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Good Signing. We may actually have an O Line this year. Maybe Matt Cassle won't have to do his best Michael Vick impression every game.

I couldn't disagree more.

He is in no way, shape or form, an "upgrade" over Wade Smith.

And why would Bill Polian cut a guy in the prime of his career?

I don't mind the signing of Lilja at all.

After the bloodbath that ensued because of the offensive line last season, you had to expect changes. Personally, I'm glad Pioli's going out and picking up offensive linemen like Lilja and Wiegmann. They might not be the gamebreakers or key signings that everyone is pining for, but you have to at least be happy they're actively attempting to fix the problem instead of sitting on their hands and hoping a last minute trade will cure what ails them.

Is this a signing that will improve us to the point of Super Bowl contention or a contender for years to come? No, but it's a small piece that will hopefully ensure the offense doesn't shit it's pants whenever they hit the field.

I agree with this one. I have no idea why we didn't keep Smith. He signed a very reasonable contract with Houston.

All Cassel needs is 8-10 seconds in the pocket to insure he'll make great decisions.

Also wouldn't be the first time a team failed a guy on his physical to have a PC way (excuse) of cutting him when he is owed a $1.7 MM roster bonus and is a popular with his teammates and fans.

It seems to matter when you factor in that 2 targets were guys from here.

I really have no view of the signing to be honest, I still think the Chiefs will do something stupid and take an OT first.

$3MM a year for a guy who is the same age as Lilja (28) and has started 32 games in 8 years? They say they signed him to compete for possible starting job, $3MM a year? No thanks.

Wade Smith's talents are greatly exaggerated on CP.