You must not have read the Lilja thread. I kept bringing up these facts to call out Dane as he said Lilja sucks, he's done, his knees are shot. Fact is though, Dane's more than likely wrong. Well, the only thing I know for sure he's wrong on is his run blocking. Manning could still have a lot to do with Lilja's success.

The mere suggestion that Okung or Bulaga are ok because we need a RT is just awful.

That is not how you build championship teams.

Doubtful she could find your cawk.

Dude draft Tony Washington in the 4th round. He'll be just as good as anyone of the "elite" prospects ater a few years.

According to this:

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playersta...d=5349&team=12

Waters had the most holding calls of his career, but it was still only 4, while Albert was only called for 2 holds.

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playersta...d=8792&team=12

I don't know if I'd go that far but if you are of the belief that Albert is the LT then even considering an OT with the top 5 pick is blatant idiocy.

Looks like you've learned quite a bit whilst sucking on the nutsack of Dane.

Yes, it is VERY easy to be pessimistic about everything and to say it will always be as bad as it could be. You think you look like a genius when you HAPPEN to be right through no fault of your own, and you don't have to be disappointed when you're wrong, in fact, the worst you have to due is say you're glad he's doing well, so rough. It's a smart and easy game to play if you want to look like you know what you are talking about as most players never live up to the fans expectations.

Waters isn't really that bad of a player. Playing next to Niswanger would make about anyone look worse than they really are. He's not spectacular, but adequate.

Lilja failing that physical has been pretty well discounted by a few sources and I'm sure you know that. Not only that, but Lilja was a has been rated the top 16, and 14 player at his position out of more than 64 in '07 and '09 with a knee injury in '08.

Lilja's a very good run blocker, the best on the Colts line by a long shot, and we'll see about the pass blocking, was it all Manning? One thing is for sure though, the pass protection should be better at RG than at any point in time last season.

Plenty of people have been round and round with you about Weigmann. He's been a top rated center in this league each and every season since 2001. Two years ago, he was the #2 center behind only Nick Mangold, a 1st round center, and perennial stud. Last year being the only bad year he's had.

You know damned well that Denver abandoned their zone blocking scheme in favor of more power blocking last year. A power blocking scheme isn't going to favor a 285lb. center much, especially not when his team played a lot of 3-4 teams that year with some big ole nose tackles. Giving up 30lbs. on a guy would play a big roll in a bad season.

Fact is that he has been a proven stud when playing in a zone blocking unit. You realistically have no reason to think he'll be anything less than what he was from 2001-08, other than the fact that he is one year older than he was last year.

Get a clue ****-o.

Blah blah I suck off Dane Blah Blah. Why don't you actually read for once dumbass?

Lilja was such a great run blocker the Colts were horrible running the ball and released him.

You dumbass you argue aginst your own point. You admit Weigmann struggles vs 3-4 teams guess what defense teams in our divison play?

You comparing a 37 year olds play from nearly 10 years ago to current is laughable.

Oline analysis: Pioli didn't like what he saw last year and has brought in some temporary fixes to give him time to draft some linemen in the next few years. On paper, at the moment, 2010's line is better than 2009's line; not great, but better.

They weren't a great run blocking team, but I did say he was by far and away the best run blocker on that team.

Yes, you're right, but then again, we don't run a power blocking scheme now do we? Dumbass.

No, not 10 yrs. ago. 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3, and 2 years ago.

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Lapdog.

You straight up don't know what you're watching.

Christ, he was the most penalized guard in the entire league last year.

He's done.

I think you listen to Dane too much. Lilja will be fine. He started an entire season last year. Superbowl too.

Lets stay away from sister ****er and hope that Kyle Calloway is still there in the 4th. Then get a center in the 5th/6th.

And you have selective reading. I said he wasn't that bad. Playing next to the Rude made him look worse. Not to mention Albert at the beginning of the season.

Waters had 8 penalties in 16 games. 4 were holding, thanks Milkman, and I'm sure the other 4 were probably false starts. Wonder how many of those came in the first half of the season when the team was amongst the worst I've ever seen fielded. Mostly b/c THEY JUST STARTED LEARNING THE NEW BLOCKING SCHEME. Go right to your GIF'd up and look at how CLUELESS this line was those first few weeks. There were sacks given up just b/c guys had NO CLUE who they were even supposed to block.

He's not as good as he once was, but as I said earlier, he's still adequate.

Kyle Calloway is not that talented, I think he's one of the more consistently overrated players on this forum.

Heh, you're right. I just seem to remember an awful lot of Charles 10+ yd. runs and maybe a TD called back.

Looks like half of Waters penalties were holding.

nfldraftcountdown has him rated as the #12 OT overall. Right or left side. He's solid all around. Good pass protection and a hell of a run blocker. Sure as hell better than O'Callaghan.

lol everyone this asshole disagrees with listens to Dane too much.

Why else would he think Lilja is spent? Nobody in the media seems to thinks he's shot. This team doesn't think so. Last years numbers don't say so. No one will really know until he plays behind Cassel, but I really don't think there is any reason to be pessimistic at this point in time.

I agree with this assesment. I can't help but think the last minute changes in offensive 'coordinators', the constant changes of guys on the line might have skewed his ability this year.

Seems not uncommen for O lineman to play well into their 30's. We should know pretty soon this year if he is done or has a few years left IMHO.

I actually think he's basically O'Callaghan by a different name, I think Calloway is a 5th or 6th rounder that probably projects better to guard than he does tackle.

This OT class really isn't that deep there's maybe 10 or 11 guys that can start at OT at the next level.

I think you don't understand ANY of the point's that have been made by me regarding Lilja.

1. He played left guard in Indy, not right guard, which he'll be playing in KC.

2. He was paid a $1.5 million dollar roster bonus, yet subsequently cut. Please explain why ANY team would do that outside of injury and health concerns.

3. He signed with one of the worst teams in the league, not one of the best teams in the league. IIRC, he signed for 3 years, $7 million dollars. Let's not pretend he got Steve Hutchinson money.

4. He missed the entire 2008 season due to three different surgeries. Please explain why this is good?

5. Please explain how a poor run blocker (32nd running team in the NFL) is going to adequately play right guard, normally a run blocking, downhill positional player, at 290 pounds.

We'll be awaiting your expert analysis.

I have been wondering about that myself........If their intention was to get 'bigger' on the o-line as many have stated, why waste the money to retain him and then suddenely cut him?

And...? If he can make the change in footwork, which I don't know if he will, but I can only hope, he should be fine. RG is the fourth most demanding spot on the line. So it's kind of a LT to RT type argument. It should be easier to play, so, if the footwork pans out. No problem.

Apparently the explanation floating around in the Indianapolis media is b/c they want to go to more of a power blocking scheme. Need a bigger body.

Paint it however you want. Who cares what he gets paid, really. Does it matter? He grew up here, his family is here. Maybe he really did have a chip on his shoulder before he came to meet with Pioli, but apparently he didn't have that same chip when he left. Did you mention that his mother lives at Lake Quivira, and he is getting married this summer and is building a house, also at Lake Quivira?

Never said it was. Must not have been too bad last year though. My post you quoted should explain why.

So being on a poor running team makes you a poor run blocker? I mean, he was handily the best run blocker on that line, which is obvious if you look at where the RB's had the most production. Also, they didn't run the ball nearly as much as most teams do. They have Manning and a glut of receiving talent.

That doesn't excuse them from sucking as much as they did while running the ball, but then again most running games get stronger as the game goes on, and Addai only carried the ball 14 times a game.

You can't simply look at an o line that has a poor run game, and say that every player sucks at run blocking. That's just arrogant.

I'm sorry but you've said absolutely NOTHING.

You're speculating and have provided NO facts.

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Coming from you, I expected as much.

Do us all a favor and keep your mouth shut unless you actually have some proof of your allegations.

That is, unless you enjoy embarrassing yourself.

Actually, YES - but understandably so.

The interview you heard he was probably fluffing Albert before the draft.

The next year he was fluffing Monroe.

But don't kid yourself - they weren't ever going to put the #1 recruit in the country on the bench or out of position (or transferred out) for Branden Albert.

Actually, that's pretty well all fact. I guess it just depends on how you want to read certain information and what you believe. If you have any facts to the contrary of what I have posted, let me know.

This is no less factual than you saying b/c he WAS a LG, he can't play RG.

And your proof that this isn't the case? Adam Caplan is the one who reported he failed the physical, all other reports I've seen have cited Caplan. I believe there are a few articles quoting the need to go bigger. Don't know if they cite the same source. Prove it wrong.

Which part isn't fact there? Disprove it.

Did he not start 19 games including the superbowl?

Alright, you may have me here. He does come from a poor running team, and I can't disprove that he's not the problem. While he may not be the best run blocker on that line, he's definitely not the worst. Whatever.

You have you're opinion, I have mine. I don't think this fixes everything, but it is DEFINITELY an improvement. Wade Smith could have been just fine at this spot I agree. He did get some jack though. Lilja is an upgrade to what was on the roster once Smith left, and his contract allows him to be replaced. It's a good move.

I wonder if they are gonna cut Waters....

Why would you say that?

I have thought they'd cut Waters also. They paid him a 1.5 million roster bonus that was due by the l5th of March. So I figured they'd keep him. But Indy also paid Lilja a roster bonus before they cut him so maybe that was insurance in case the Chief's didn't sign a replacement for Waters.

If that's the case then we're okay at LT, LG and RT. I know O'Callahan leaves much to be desired but I think he can play another year at RT. I don't know if Weigman can handle another year at C and who's the RG. I have serious doubts about Brown and Ndukwe.

That's what I like about Saffold of UI. He's versatile and could probably start at RG and than move out to RT next year. Only problem is the Chief's would probably have to take him with the 36th pick as he's rising fast on most draft boards.

Is Mawae still on the market? I don't understand why we haven't signed him or brought him in.

If Mawae was ever on the Chiefs radar, I highly doubt he's on there any longer with the addition of Weigman.

He wouldn't do anything different than Wiegmann.

Wiegmann is only there to buy us a year or two until we find someone younger who can be a solid long-term option.

I don't see any reason why we'd bring in Mawae. Wiegmann probably wins the job this season and the #2 Center is hopefully a bright young prospect.

And you're just plain dense.

Lilja failed a physical.

Aturnis: I HOPE he's fine.

Lilja's been a left guard his entire career.

Aturnis: I HOPE he can play right guard.

The only team that wanted to sign Lilja was 4-12 last season.

Aturnis: THIS team believes in him.

Lilja was released AFTER given a $1.5 million dollar roster bonus.

Aturnis: They wanted to go bigger.

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Your entire stance is based off of HOPE, not fact. You couldn't dispute even ONE point that laid out for you.

But please, continue to embarrass yourself.

Yea lets draft the guy who sucks more.

I don't think they signed Lilja to play right guard, to me that doesn't make sense. I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see them trade Waters for a 6th or 7th rounder during the draft and start Lilja at LG.

I can say this, if we do play him at RG, we are asking for it to backfire on us in multiple ways.

1) I dont think Lilja benefits our young emerging superstar in Jamaal Charles in the running game.

2) I dont think he can just be inserted into a new position that has totally different responsibilities and excel or even hold par. I think he would get blown up at RG.

3) I think that even though WE dont like Rudy, that doesn't mean the staff/team isnt in love with him, he was voted the ol mvp http://www.kcchiefsblog.com/brandon-...efs-com-awards . I think they have in mind what some of us do and that is moving him to the right side where he was very effective a couple years ago in limited action. but what do I know, I thought Herb Taylor would stick too...

This scenario doesn't really have a home for Waters unless he comes in next year rejuvenated.

I dont buy the argument that Waters is done either. I think that having us roll out without a true center and right guard (till Wade solidified right guard) made the left side suffer because of having to "protect the gut"....that left the edges as an area the line got beat in by speed rushers early in the year, consistently. The line has to be one whole cohesive unit and if it has two major weaknesses to account for, it wont work no matter how good the other three are. This is exactly why the line started coming together once Wade Smith entered the starting lineup late in the year.

If we signed Lilja to play a position Wade Smith played quite well at, that is a big mistake.

I just think they signed Lilja to play left guard for us.

Kyle Calloway doesn't suck.

He's not really an answer, either.

If we used a 5th on him I'd be OK with it. Nothing higher though.

Ive watched a lot of Bulaga and Calloway and think both will be solid starters that help their teams.

I just dont like Bulaga as high as they are talking about him. I see him as a good value somewhere between 10-15 and I would take Calloway anywhere after the third round.

If we didnt already have an excellent young left tackle, I would probably be backing the trade down and take BB in the first bandwagon and if we came out of the draft with both, I wouldn't be crying in my beer.

I think both get a bad wrap on here

He won't be half the player Tony Washington will be.

rated higher than sister ****er on nfldraftcountdown.

So you like workout warriors. Good to know.

You wouldn't use a 4th rounder to finish 2010's o-line? A good pass blocker and a road grader. Yet EVERYONE here wanted a piece of ole Barry Richardson in the 3rd.

I agree with mecca, who said in another thread, that Calloway is just another O'Callaghan.

I wouldn't spend a pick as high as the fifth round on Ryan Calloway.

And yes, I said "Ryan" on purpose.

Barry Richardson has the talent and athletic ability to be a damn good RT.

He just seems to lack the motivation and desire to achieve his potential.

We chatted about this before but I still feel his best position is left tackle, after having started 40 games for Clemson and filling in this past year.

For the Chiefs, I think it's a bit of the square peg/round hole syndrome.

i think he s an option at either spot. let him and albert fight it out best lt win
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At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what we think.

First, I think that Albert has far more potential than Richardson at LT, but I think Richardson has some real talent to work with.

I also think that Richardson has more upside as a RT than Albert.
He isn't as long and lean as Albert, and has the frame to add 15 lbs or so without affecting the athletic ability he possesses, which could serve him well as both a run blocker as well as in pass protect.

I also watched Richardson closely at RT last year in the preseason and he played better than any of teh guys we trotted out there all season, including O'Callagahn.

But we saw that this staff does have some sacred cows in Niswanger and Goff.
And as soon as O'Callaghan became familiar with the system, he was trotted out there as the starter, and he proved to be the exact kind of player I said he was when I melted down after the final preseason roster cuts and waiver pickups.

I agree with everything you've stated, as I have in the past.

From my POV, Richardson has looked "smoother" at left tackle than right. If he can translate that to the right side, he'll be a 10 year starter.

If not, he may end up catching on elsewhere as a left tackle. But there's no doubt he's an NFL caliber lineman.

This is a dumbass statement. Was he a workout warrior when LSU offered him a scholarship?

what does that have to do with anything, did gholston have a scholorship?
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Certainly you know the difference between a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick. Oh no you don't you're a ****ing idiot.

wow ok, says a lot about you that you are continually pimping a guy who ****ed his sister, and iirc got her pregnant. par for the course with you billy
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heh..yea, im still baffled at the love they felt for these two last year? Any insight into that??

Whats that have to do with his ability to play tackle in the NFL?

well bill what do you actually know about his ability to play tackle in the nfl? his name wasnt brought up much before the sister ****ing revelation? which, oddly enough, started you on this obsession with him. coincidence???
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For what it is worth Wade Smith was interviewed on Sirius today. Balzer asked him to comment on the state of the KC Chiefs. He said we are definitely headed in the right direction and it was tough for him to chose Texans over the Chiefs (they did try to keep him).

They followed it up with asking if he thought we would take a LT at #5 and move Albert to RT. He answered with conviction and without hesitation that Branden Albert will be the LT of the franchise for the next 8-10 years. Said his talent and his work ethic will make him "the man" for the O-line. He said there were some things that happened last season that were out of Branden's control....

Just paraphrasing, but I thought it was a very encouraging interview.

No one brings up hardly anyone around here unless you're in draft planet because frankly most people don't even know who half the players on LSU are let alone Abilene Christian.

How stupid are you?

ok were you pimping him before the article? not nearly as much as now if at all,



and mecca i read draft planet some too
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What the **** does it matter if I were pimping him before or after the article? I was reluctant to draft him after reading the story then I watched some tape. The guy is a beast.

Just another thing that will be dismissed by the true fan we must draft LT crowd.

lol ok man.
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What?

Sauto you are such a dumbass you cheered for LJ you must like beating up women. Your argument makes no sense because you don't know what the **** you are talking about you have to grasp for straws trying to say I like incest.

ok man...
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I find it more likely to be dimissed by the Pioli/ Haley hate club. Too much optimism as well as the fact KC tried to keep him which has never been mentioned. He got overpaid by the Texans IMO.

I'm on the Pioli/Haley hate club.

I'm not dismissing any of it.

It's good to know those useless bastards did actually try to keep him.

But I guarentee you the true fan that thinks we need to move Albert and draft a LT will dismiss Smith's comments on Albert summarily.

Says who? Adam Caplan? Who told the Indianapolis press it was a out of need for size to bolster their run game?

Who says he can't play right? YOU? I didn't say he could, but if he is going to be expected to, yes, I would hope he could ****tard.

It's also funny how me saying I hope he could make the switch is HOPE as a bad thing, yet when you say it about the worst lineman on the team...

It's legit.

He had other visits set up, you know this dumbass.

Who knows why really, you don't.

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Your entire stance is based off of negative dumbassery. The Chiefs must have hurt you bad man, so so bad. You couldn't dispute one point laid out for you. You have no facts, neither do any of the other people outside of the NFL. Yippee dumbass.

That and he's slow.

If he's slow O'Callaghan must have had his legs amputated.

Before the combines and other workouts your boy WAS considered a 4th round pick jackhole.

Which is still higher than Kyle Calloway....Washington is at least pretty athletic, Calloway is not, I will never understand the endless love that guy gets other than he plays for Iowa and we have posters from there.

He's deliberate, but his feet are fairly quick.

O'Callahgan looks like a guy with his feet anchored in mud.

You guys just can't admit you were wrong can you?

You wanted him drafted in the 3rd, and he fell to the 6th.
"Wow, we got a steal."
Nevermind that 31 other teams passed on him 3 different times before we ended up taking him late. He must be good though, the o-line "gurus" said so.

He sucks it up at training camp and...
"He needs a little time, just wait 'til next year."

He sucks in games and practices under two different coaching systems and GM's and...
"He's a LT, plain and simple, he just can't make that switch to the right side. He'll make it somewhere else on the right side, he's an NFL caliber lineman for sure."

Please, he sucks, I've seen him raped by Minnesota's 3rd and 4th string LE's in training camp. Get it, camp fodder and practice squad guys ABUSED him. Not an embellishment, they literally ran right around him EVERY time.

What exactly are you arguing?

O'Callaghan played all year and sucked complete and total dick, what is the point of arguing this?

The fact that he can't seem to find the motivation, a question going into the draft, to play to his potential doesn't diminish, in any way, the fact that he does have the talent to succeed.

It's becoming more and more apparent that he just doesn't have the desire.

When did I argue that? Please, find it.

I'm saying that Richardson is not a good RT. At least No'Call could occasionally find himself in someones way. Even if it were an accident.