Too bad he can't catch the ****ing ball.

but Bowe can catch balls in traffic...err, nm

McCluster is CJ Spiller if he blew out both his knees and got smaller.

Well he waxed the SEC. Including Berry.

He had 44 catches, lets be fair here, this guy is not remotely a polished receiver and he's not freaky enough to just get open like Harvin.

so did tim tebow

should we have drafted him?

Don't know, should we have? I don't think we should have.

So I am having a hard time now why you don't like him. First you say he is slow which really he isn't. Then you want to throw out what he did in college. I'll just take it no matter what, you don't and won't like him.

he's a rb in a wildcat offense who caught swing passes


he has no idea how to run an nfl route

I don't give a **** what he runs. Just get the ball in his hands and let him do his thing.

i never said he was slow, no idea what you're talking about

i've actually watched him and know what kind of player he is, while you seem to have no clue


we're going to turn a hb into a wr...abnd spent the 36th pick to try out this experiment.....crazy

would he have needed 300 yds against every opponent as opposed to 175 yds or whatever for you guys to admit he's a solid player?

Talk all you want about him being undersized, but he's a unique player and I'm looking forward to you guys (happily) eating crow when he starts putting points on the board for you.

There isn't a single person who is a fan of one of the many teams that he single handedly demolished who would just go "meh, he's ok". He has a serious, serious talent. There's a reason he was rated so highly amongst nearly everyone who follows the draft. GAME FILM.

And again, if you guys aren't man enough to admit that he is obviously faster than a 4.6 or whatever you have him pegged with, then whatever. Just watch any of his vids on youtube and you'll see a guy running a 4.4, which is what he ran at pro-day. Guys that are considered to be among the fastest in the game don't run 4.6's.

No one is saying your boy sucks ok, some of us would have just rather had someone else at 36.

Obviously you haven't watched him enough because the majority of his yards didn't come from a Wild Cat. The "Wild Rebel" sucked 98% of the time. Most fans loathed it because it never worked.

We did the same thing with Dante.

Yep, this kid sucks.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=227119

i cant believe a guy that has caught like 40 passes is being praised as the next ****ing Percy Harvin or Wes Welker, guys who have been catching passes since they came out of their moms vaginas. It's an absolute disrespect to them as today's top tier NFL talent at what they do to compare this guy who has done nothing in terms of that position in the same vein as those guys.

Look I understand. I'm a freakishly nuts Saints fanatic and I'm pissed as hell that they drafted a CB and an OL in the 1st and 2nd instead of drafting on need (linebackers). However, if that CB we drafted out of FSU was a historically good ACC defensive back that happened to be undersized, then I would probably begrudingly accept it and hope he continues that historic success in the NFL. I likely wouldn't still be screaming about his size.

jesus ****

you're a fan of the player

i'm the fan of a team with needs and draft picks that need to be maximized for value in the context of a specific draft


i don't need to hear a fanboi spouting stats about a player i watched all season...yes he's shifty and great at the college level....so ****ing what?

that's not the issue....the issue is the use of the 36th pick for the Chiefs....

drafting a 45lb hb to convert to a wr with the the 36th pick of the draft when you have no NT or pass rushing OLB or franchise QB is dumb and the reason why this ass eating franchise has sucked forever....they never get their ****ing priorities straight...


kansas city fans think drafting a qb is 'risky'...so we can't do it, even though it is damn near a pre-requisite for winning a superbowl

but if you draft a 50lbs-sopping-wet half-back from a wildcat offense to be a WR in the NFL WITH THE 36TH PICK IN THE DRAFT....well HELL, True Fans love it because it isn't 'risky at all' and everyone knows that rb-turned-WR are the real keys to a superbowl and not QBs....

running a 3-4 with no NT or OLB isn't risky either, it seems....

You're bitching about Charles Brown? Charles Brown was a late 1st round value you get him at the end of 2, and you complain?

You got him after we got a midget backup CB, have some perspective.

That is completely untrue. The kid can run the route tree. McCluster had more catches and yards last season than Arrelious Benn, and had a better 2008 season in receptions and yards than Demaryius Thomas. All while carrying the ball over 100 times in the last two seasons.

Focus McCluster on the slot position, and he will be fun to watch.
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i'd love to see a breakdown of the routes he was running...

i'd bet my ass most of his catches were swing passes and screens

Arrelious Benn caught 70 balls the year before...this is not good.

And DeMaryius Thomas can't run a route tree either, the dfference is he has #1 WR upside.

This is amazing. You slam a guy for not being a route runner then toute another guy who you admit is not a route runner.

Hey I definitely won't defend the Arenas pick, that's for sure. Seemed a bit redundant after getting McCluster.

And I'm not really complaining too much about Brown. That's fine. But the Saints drafting a CB instead of the Linebackers that were available is a bit perplexing.

I suppose one difference in my team and yours is that I actually have faith in my management, so when they make picks that I don't like I'm generally going to try and give them the benefit of the doubt. I think Payton and Greg Williams know what they are doing....you guys don't have much faith in y'alls front office and I certainly understand why given your recent history.

Wow, there is an enormous amount of disinformation in this thread.

While they weren't *my* first choices, I'd be shocked if McCluster and Arenas weren't difference makers by the eighth game, if not immediately.

The Chiefs still have issues in the middle of the defense but there was absolutely no way they could address every need in one draft.

It's likely that the offense took a HUGE step forward today.

Yeah, Harvin had three more catches than McCluster over his college career.

Did I really toute Thomas?

He's 6'3 230 and he's a year away, McCluster doesn't have his upside.

so is he harvin or welker?

Both of them seem to fit the playmaker role, it would seem.

well sure they were. He was catching them coming out of the RB position. Dexter rarely lineup in the slot, if ever.

So I understand your concern about that because in a sense he is a "project", but the guy is freakishly good at whatever he attempts, so I imagine he'll do fine at that as well.

I was responding to the post that "Harvin has been catching passes since they came out of his mom's vagina." He caught the same number of passes as McCluster, with a very similar average.

I think McCluster will be a difference maker in this league, and said as much way before the Chiefs drafted him. I'm a big fan of his.

I think he's a playmaker, regardless of the comparisons

all this Harvin talk reminded me of a stat I saw earlier today:

If we don't reach on a CB and reach (and trade ****ing picks) for an injury-prone TE, no one is bitching about McCluster.

There would probably be some legit excitement about his versatility.

YPC Averages for McCluster:

2006: 15.5 YPC
2007: 12.1 YPC
2008: 14.2 YPC
2009: 11.8 YPC

that's great

so what kind of production can i expect for the 36th pick?

A lot. And it needs to be immediate.

No excuses.

I cannot answer that question but I have a feeling that he's going to be electrifying.

Have you seen him play or watched his clips? He's special.

I hope it translates to the NFL.

I can't believe I agree with you, Dane.

I'm really surprised you're taking this draft so well. Pleasantly surprised, actually.

This is the truth. Don't give me 40 times, that's sideshow bullshit. This guy clowned good players all the time.

The injury-prone TE could be a monster if he can learn how to stay healthy. I'll take that.

From Gruden's comments and looking at his production, I think Arenas pushes Carr to nickel shortly.

I would have preferred that the Chiefs shore up the middle of the defense but I have no problem with the Chiefs taking productive, proven playmakers because I think everyone can agree, that's been missing for years.

Some of these slapdicks want to compare him to DeSean Jackson.

Fine.

1100 yards, 9 TD's.

Good luck, and as Tim Tebow would say, "God Bless."

LMAO

god dammit people i watched him all year...i like the guy, nothing against him, he was a great college player


all that has **** to do with him being worth the 36th pick to the chiefs

i'm sorry for even suggesting we didn't do something awesome

No, I was only challenged to find one player that weighed 165 pounds who produced anything in the NFL. I think DeSean Jackson fits the bill.

I don't sacrifice two picks for this chance. Not with this position.

so 1 out of 'all of them ever' is a good ratio to you

Well, I think that's unfair considering that he doesn't have McNabb throwing to him.

Instead, it's Matt Cassel.

But honestly, I like the choices. Asamoah at LG next to Albert could be a 10 year connection. Add a center tomorrow and we're looking at a badass nucleus.

They took a chance on Moeaki but I'm okay with that because he *could* be special. McCluster's nothing other than a playmaker and if Arenas lives up to billing, he'll push out Carr (who quite honestly, I'm really not a fan of, regardless of the safety position. He just doesn't seem very intuitive).

Flame away.

That's the thing, it's not like anyone is saying that McCluster is going to be shit. We're just saying there are going to be a handful of players, at positions that we desperately needed, that are going to be very good.

This is a luxury we could not afford.

I was pretty happy with Asamoah. He was the 2nd highest rated guard and we got him in the 3rd round. I'm good with that one.

Well, pardon my naivete, but I'm not going to judge this particular pick before I see him on the field, in Charlie Weis' offense.

This isn't like taking TyJack at #3 overall or Donald ****ing Washington in the fourth.

The dude is a playmaker. If he continues that with the Chiefs, I couldn't give a shit what Tate or Benn do on their respective teams.

Yes, he's the only successful small player who was ever in the NFL, or will ever be in the NFL.

Jesus Christ, the negativity is rampant.

We cannot afford the luxury of a player that can score on any given play. Wait, what?

I disagree.

This is exactly what the Chiefs needed on offense: Another home run threat.

He may end up being the perfect compliment to Charles, especially since I believe Asomoah completely changes the offensive line.

I love the Asomoah pick. Love it.

However, when you have gaping holes in your front 7, and you pass on these players at some point in the night:

Everson Griffen
Daryl Washington
Koa Misi
Sergio Kindle
Linval Joseph
Sean Lee
Terrence Cody
Major Wright
Chad Jones
Donald Butler

And come away with a project slot WR, a nickle corner (after drafting one last year) and a broken TE, who you traded up for, again, after trading up for one LAST YEAR, you've done a piss-poor job, IMO.

We took part time luxury players, while the board was falling perfectly to take impact players at positions of desperate need.

You couldn't have asked for a board to fall any better than it did tonight, and we ****ing blew it.

Take 4 guys off of that list - any 4 - and this defense is set for a decade.

Instead, we still have the worst front 7 in football.

Inexcusable.

So we draft for need and we get Tyson Jackson, Colin Brown, and Jake O'Connell. Drafturbators bitch.

We draft BPA and playmakers and drafturbators bitch.

I'm confused. What should we do exactly?

I'm just saying, we have Charles. We signed Thomas Jones. And then drafted a RB to be a slot receiver all while WR's with a 1st round grade were still on the board.

We have a home run threat in JC. We don't have a nose, and we don't have a decent rush backer. We have core positions that desperately need to be filled.

He's going to have to score on every play, considering our front 7 is the same as last year - you know, the one that gave up 26 PPG?

There were defensive players available that would have had a greater impact overall on this team than a part time, project WR.

This.

People act like Jamaal Charles isn't on the ****ing roster.

Meanwhile, Jerome Harrison just scored again.

Jamaal Charles is a RB. McCluster will be a WR. Whether you agree with what they're doing or not, they will be playing different positions.

Your comparison is moot.

Aren't some of these people who are bitching also the same people who would have been OK taking CJ Spiller with a top 5 pick this year?

I understand what you're saying and don't necessarily disagree.

But I'm going to give Romeo Crennel the benefit of the doubt. There is some young talent on the defensive side of the ball. Free agency isn't over. There will be guys cut in training camp that can help the Chiefs.

The bottom line to me is that yes, I expected the Chiefs to shore up the middle of the defense, but I also believe that homerun playmakers on offense and the return game have been lacking for years and years.

And I'm not bummed about Arenas or Moeaki.

Yeah, either that or the 4 first round picks they already have up there can start playing up to their ****ing paycheck.

Dexter McCluster v. Tennessee *video*
 

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we could have easily traded up to get hughes, the best/second best 3-4 OLB in the draft and a true pass rusher....a 4th or less

then take linval/cody or tate with 2b

You'd have solved the core positions on defense and have improved at every level

Berry
Hughes
Linval/Cody
Assmooga


all 4 immediate starters...all proven talents at their positions...that is a Gold Star draft and you didn't reach just to make Cassel happy


instead we got a midget nickle cb and a slot receiver/converted hb/midget

I guess I'm no longer a drafturbator this year because while I certainly could have seen the Chiefs go a different direction with their picks, I'm not unhappy, whatsoever.

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Here you go duder

How is 5'9, 199 a midget yet a 15 year player in Ronde Barber, at 5'10 184 isn't?

Come on guys, there are bigger fish to fry.

The vid of McCluster's touches against Tennessee actually IS still online. I'm new here so I can't post links yet, but go to vimeo.com and type in Dexter McCluster and it is the only video that pops up.

I can't start threads either, but it'd probably make a good thread because the vid focuses solely on Dexter's 25 or so touches that game, his good ones and bad ones and shows his style, etc.

If not a new thread, perhaps someone could embed it below.

Interesting, considering who's ass these picks are covering.

Hint: The highest paid player on our roster.

my point stands

yes thanks!

So does mine.

Hopefully, I'm right.

:D

I have to wonder about players like Tate.

Again, our OC has the best info possible about him and Clausen and we pass on both.

Twice.

And after the draft Pioli makes a big speech about character, talent, and intelligence.

I don't think Tate or Clausen fall short in talent. Tate perfectly fits the slot WR/KR role. When we pass twice on Tate and prefer to convert a HB to WR it makes me think there's a good reason behind it (despite my preferences.)

Yeah, and they'll continue to cover asses long after he's gone

I like the McCluster pick for a variety of reasons.

For one, I think he is going to make this team better in a lot of ways. He is an electrifying player that makes this team more dimensional.

He will be the solution to many problems. I think he has great vision and explosiveness which if you really think about it, those are the two attributes necessary that make a great returner, which I think he could be in the NFL.

Count him in as a possible solution to our special teams woes in the return game.
Besides that, I think he is very underrated as a route runner. Plus, the dude has pretty good hands. And if you think about it? What were our problems on offense last year? Dropped passes, too many slow players, oh yeah and Id also like to add he brings another level of toughness to our team. Something Bobby Wade or Lance Long couldn't do btw.

I think he will get plenty of playing time in the slot. So I expect our receiving corps to improve. I think he'll compete in the return game with Javier Arenas. Plus, I could see him getting a few carries here and there to compliment both Jones and Charles. Well, that is the least Id expect from him because of his size. I can't see him necessarily play HB in the NFL. But guys like Warrick Dunn did it at 185lbs. He could get thrown in there to possibly block and protect Cassel. He is a GOOD blocker.

He is listed as 172lbs, but he plays a lot bigger than that. He is an all effort type of guy which is what I really like about him. He doesn't take plays off. Which is what the Chiefs REALLY need. More of those type of guys.

*With all that being said, he could improve the return game, the passing game, add more stability to the receiving corps. Add more creativity to this offense, which is huge. I bet this team designs plays to take advantage of his quickness.

I know, it's all about Cassel. So what? We got speed and we got playmakers. The defense got faster and the offense got faster. It's good.

That'd be nice...

We passed on Tate three times. And I don't think that any of the offensive picks today were made without Weis being a major part of it. (Ditto Crennel with Arenas).

You get extra points for "bigger fish to fry".

LMAO