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BigMeatballDave 04-24-2010 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 6707221)
I think if we wanted a slot WR that could return we should have gone with Tate. Being that he already is a WR and all.

Think about that for a minute. Weis was his HC. We passed. Sends up a red flag to me.

Fish 04-24-2010 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanning (Post 6707231)
Apparently on Scott Pioli's board they were, and he has given me no reason not to trust him thus far. Yes, I know Tyson Jackson hasn't been the most popular pick as of late but not every solid NFL player is great immediately. Who knows, maybe Tyson Jackson will be better in 2010. He can only get better at this point.

I agree that this board is for opinions but can you at least support your opinions with logic? Here's what seems to be the common logic: "He can't play because he's skinny" "He's a midget" "He is to fragile" etc... Hey, some of this might be true, but who are you to judge. Until he proves he can't play in the NFL why can't we just step back and think of the glass half full? What if they do succeed? Huh???

Tyson Jackson can't get any worse... and you're using that as hope? Really?

I personally haven't proven I can't play in the NFL. Does that mean that the board should be hopeful that I join the team?

Blind hope is great and all... but this team burned away all that blind hope for me many many years ago. Blind hope is just a half step up from ignorance.

I'm a fan of this team. For better or worse. That doesn't require being positive about every little thing they do.

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-24-2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6706290)
McCluster wasn't a reach. Philly was about to nabe him. Arenas is a great returner and will be great matched up on a slot WR.

Oh God do you love EVERYTHING that fat **** does just on principal alone????

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-24-2010 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6707315)
Good job for the Chiefs so far. The team still has a long way to go, but this is a good step forward.

Oh great; YOU.:facepalm:

Mr. Flopnuts 04-24-2010 05:46 PM

Tom Waddle on NFLN just said the Chiefs are a team that won 4 games last year, and they don't have the luxury of adding change of pace running backs to their roster in the 2nd round. Particularly when they already have one in JC. Fran Charles said they were going to line him up in the slot and Waddle chuckled and said "Uh, ooookay."

What a ****ing moron that guy is. It's obvious why he's not a GM.

LetsSignRussell 04-24-2010 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6710982)
Tom Waddle on NFLN just said the Chiefs are a team that won 4 games last year, and they don't have the luxury of adding change of pace running backs to their roster in the 2nd round. Particularly when they already have one in JC. Fran Charles said they were going to line him up in the slot and Waddle chuckled and said "Uh, ooookay."

What a ****ing moron that guy is. It's obvious why he's not a GM.

:cuss:

Bob Dole 04-24-2010 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 6707550)
Yep. Any speck of optimism is immediately shot down by the prevailing negativity on this board.

YOU ARE WRONG ST00PID N00B!

WildTurkey 04-24-2010 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanning (Post 6709076)
Think of it this way, D-line is probably the slowest position to develop in the NFL. Not many come right in and succeed their rookie year (Brian Orakpo and Pat Williams are really the only 2 who had great years in their 1st year).

Look at Albert Haynesworth; his rookie year was very similar to Dorsey's and Jackson's. Time will tell how our 2 d-lineman do.

You are right when you said that it isn't logical to draft role players in the 2nd round. It also isn't logical to draft a player with supposedly major injury concerns (Sergio Kindle), or a guy who can't even find his belly button (Terrance Cody).

Pioli has sent a message to me with these picks, we are going to be quick and opponents are going to be scared with some of the speed that KC possesses (McCluster, Arenas, Berry). Overall I think the KC Chiefs have gotten a lot better. Still need to sign a NT and LB.

wow someone on this board with a well thought out reasonable opinion..... rep

TEX 04-24-2010 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6710982)
Tom Waddle on NFLN just said the Chiefs are a team that won 4 games last year, and they don't have the luxury of adding change of pace running backs to their roster in the 2nd round. Particularly when they already have one in JC. Fran Charles said they were going to line him up in the slot and Waddle chuckled and said "Uh, ooookay."

What a ****ing moron that guy is. It's obvious why he's not a GM.

Waddle is correct. We totally blew the 2nd round based on the shape of the team. We need core players not role players. Sorry - just can't buy into any other logic.

Mr. Flopnuts 04-24-2010 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 6711032)
Waddle is correct. We totally blew the 2nd round based on the shape of the team. We need core players not role players. Sorry - just can't buy into any other logic.

I was being sarcastic. I blew up when we made that pick. What's done is done, but everyone was saying how everyone thinks our draft was an A grade. Well, Waddle is the first person I've heard address it and he was laughing his ass off at us.

Marcellus 04-24-2010 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6710982)
Tom Waddle on NFLN just said the Chiefs are a team that won 4 games last year, and they don't have the luxury of adding change of pace running backs to their roster in the 2nd round. Particularly when they already have one in JC. Fran Charles said they were going to line him up in the slot and Waddle chuckled and said "Uh, ooookay."

What a ****ing moron that guy is. It's obvious why he's not a GM.

Waddle obviously doesn't know that McCluster was WR in college that was moved to RB so they could get him more touches because he was their most explosive player.

Mr. Flopnuts 04-24-2010 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 6711095)
Waddle obviously doesn't know that McCluster was WR in college that was moved to RB so they could get him more touches because he was their most explosive player.

Remember when Dante Hall got moved to slot receiver? Remember what happened? His career was shortened significantly after that move. He made some great catches, and he was explosive in the slot to some degree, but it shortened his career.

Now I'm not comparing McCluster to Hall especially at WR. I'm sure McCluster will be able to do much better in that role. The reason I bring it up is because they're both the same height and Hall was almost 25lbs heavier than McCluster.

If they're really going to just stick him in the slot, he'll be lucky to play for 5 years.

teedubya 04-24-2010 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 6707221)
I'm not all that impressed with the risks Baltimore took. Boom or bust guys. I think if we wanted a slot WR that could return we should have gone with Tate. Being that he already is a WR and all.

I don't think these are bad players but I think we avoided core positions for role players. Not smart when there are starters there on the board.

I think Berry and Asamoah were ****ing great picks and starters on this team for years. That said I pretty much disagree on all the rest of them so far...

This.

dtebbe 04-24-2010 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6711118)
Remember when Dante Hall got moved to slot receiver? Remember what happened?

Yea.. this: :)
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KCDC 04-26-2010 12:44 PM

Nice post by Lanning. Rep and welcome to CP.

There are two schools of thought about everything.

a) need vs. BPA
b) reach for playmakers vs. taking someone ranked higher, but with issues
c) focus the draft the front seven vs. draft the skill positions
d) coaching is key vs. coaching can't turn chickensh*t into chicken salad
e) good and mature citizens vs. more raw talent but with character issues
f) patience vs. win now
g) quality vs. quantity
h) Pioli made mistakes with Cassel, Pollard and T-Jax so he is FAIL vs. people learn from their mistakes and it is not so certain that these will play out poorly for the team.
i) a good fan should feel free to criticize his team vs. a "true fan" doesn't

You'll find folks here who will debate any of these issues all day long and will line up on both sides with passionate views. You can't win everyone over. This board is too diverse. But, that is what helps make this place fun.

As for me, I'm not clairvoyant as to who will be a star or not, but I liked the Chiefs draft. It gives me optimism that the team will be less predictably weak. Our second round picks will help us potentially turn a losing game into a winning game in one touch of a football. That is something that we have been sorely missing. Last season, the fun for me was watching Charles shred defenses and watching Studebaker gain key interceptions. We added two guys in the second round that will, IMO, have the "X-Factor" to score on any play, even moreso than Tate or Shipley, and put us in a better position to win than one more talented tackle or ILB. Yeah, I know that you need tackles (on both sides of the ball) and ILB are key to stopping the run. Yes, they are important! But give me an X-Factor guy with football smarts anytime. Maybe Kindle could have been an X-Factor at OLB. Maybe. But with a knee of a 40 year old NFL veteran, I'll take my chances on the guys Pioli picked.

philfree 04-26-2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6710982)
Tom Waddle on NFLN just said the Chiefs are a team that won 4 games last year, and they don't have the luxury of adding change of pace running backs to their roster in the 2nd round. Particularly when they already have one in JC. Fran Charles said they were going to line him up in the slot and Waddle chuckled and said "Uh, ooookay."

What a ****ing moron that guy is. It's obvious why he's not a GM.

I think he retired from to many concussions.


PhilFree:arrow:

philfree 04-26-2010 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch
I'm not all that impressed with the risks Baltimore took. Boom or bust guys. I think if we wanted a slot WR that could return we should have gone with Tate. Being that he already is a WR and all.
I don't think these are bad players but I think we avoided core positions for role players. Not smart when there are starters there on the board.

I think Berry and Asamoah were ****ing great picks and starters on this team for years. That said I pretty much disagree on all the rest of them so far
The facts are out there. McCluster was playing WR this past year and then he was moved to RB to get him more touches. He already knows how to run routes and he was good hands too. This is not a conversion job.

Thanks For Reading,
PhilFree:arrow:

Simply Red 04-26-2010 12:56 PM

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Reerun_KC 04-26-2010 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dtebbe (Post 6711215)
Yea.. this: :)
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Ah those were some exciting times....


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