Josh :Robinson:

If every player the Broncos have is a stud, then why did you guys sputter to 8-8 last year?

I mean, according to your logic, you are unbeatable and should win the superbowl without even trying.

And how old are you? Just want to know what level of homerism we are dealing with here? ;)

and why did he demand to be traded again?

or was it more....

Okay ... (you may have answered this in another thread and I didn't see it) what do you think of his decision making? It seems to me since he has "good arm strength/athleticism ... if he has "good decision making" .... all he needs to succeed is a quality QB coach? Me thinks all that sitting on the bench did NOT prepare him for the mental part of the game. If he does we have a chance. If he is just average or blow average mentally, we don't have a shot.

I agree with Dane. He is a huge hit/miss type of guy. I'm not predicting which way he will go. I do believe that he is not working to improve just to get a big pay day. He wants to succeed. Yes, most NFL draft choices have a "want to," but there are those that have talent and a big desire to win. It's hard to keep those guys down. If he has the coaching, they put a quality team around him, he just might prove all of us wrong.

As a Chiefs fan ... I sure hope McKid has greatly over reached this time!!! And they both go down in flames!!! But, it's a hope and not a prediction!!!!!!

We went 8-8 last year because our DL wore down as the season went on, and we didn't have the right type of interior OL to run the offense McDaniels wanted to run.

I am 24 btw.

BUt wait, all your players are studs. What the hell! :D

as a florida state fan and a chiefs fan, it's music to my ears to see people despise him as much as i have for the last 4 years. he goes from one hated blue and orange team to another.

you should change your avatar to DMC and flash to predator

I think some people around here would love some Cam Thomas Jizz in their Cereal

Why the hell is mcdaniels talking about tebow? is he going to play this year? is he going to throw this season away by talking-up and putting energy into a bench warmer while his starting qb gets no respect? is tebow going to turn Orton into wine?

Tim Tebow
Tom Brady

Same number of letters.

Similarity ends there.

Ive been saying it, I think he is priming the kid to play earlier rather than later. Its part of the mistake process.

indeed.

I will love to see Tebow out on the field with Berry roaming the back field already knowing his tendencies.

Case closed. :D

Not true at all.

Really? All I see are people laughing at McDaniels because he chose Tebow, yet none of those people seem to have a ****ing clue.

If Tebow had gone to Minnesota or Indy or any of the teams below #25, there wouldn't be a thread going weeks after the draft ended.

Not counting Young and Esiason, how may good lefthanded Qbs has their been in this league?

Do they plan on moving Clady to RT?

where can i buy a big brain like yours?


drafting Tebow in the 1st is lol stupid


and he's the most over-hyped piece of shit to ever enter the nfl....

Thanks. You've just convinced me.

:rolleyes:

ROFL


His "arm strength" is non- existent, you must not have seen the 2009 reel of Cassel.

They drafted Beadles, Olsen and Walton, which should give them a damn fine offensive line (along with Clady) for years to come.

Tebow doesn't have to play a down this year or next year. It's all about year three for him though if he shows enough progress, we may see him next year.

Most of us, including myself, have bashed and hated on him the past 2 yrs. You dont remember everyone making fun of him getting his ass kicked and crying during the Alabama game?

I guess I never paid attention

Damn, beat me to it. Surprised it took so long though.

If this was the national intangibles league, tebow should rightfully go in the first round, but the fact is, he has 3rd round arm strength and 7th round mechanics.not to mention the offense he is accustomed to play in is very different than the nfl.

bingo



but he tries hard and loves jesus, and well honestly he's white too....so line up the cock smokers

Mark Brunell
Ken Stabler
Jim Zorn
Mike Vick (3x pro bowler)
Scott Mitchell had 1 outstanding year with Detroit

case closed

hold on...

He has a stronger arm than Bradford, McCoy, and Clausen. I don't know where some posters get that he has a weak arm, every scouting report from respectable places always say he has a strong arm.

And I would argue that the reason most QB's bust isn't because they lack the talent, but because they lack the intangibles. Tebow has all the physical tools to succeed and has the work ethic to overcome all of his shortcomings IMO.

He'll make a great inspirational speaker in a few years once his career is over

Knomo dont lie.

If tebow fell to our 2a and we picked him you wouldve been laughing your ass off and would have about 200 posts why the chiefs are reeruns for picking him.

I don't say many negative things about the Chiefs, but I don't think the Chiefs have the staff to develop a QB. Cassel regressed under Haley, Brady Quinn has been a bust in the NFL, and Jimmy Clausen was like the number 1 recruit in the nation coming into Notre Dame and he wasn't even drafted in the first round.

So let me get this straight.

The offensive coordinator who made brady great, who is widely recognized as one of the best qb coaches and creative minds the NFLs ever seen, who coached 2 first round talents into the nfl(clausen wouldve gone #1 overall if he had bradfords attitude; jurys still out on quinn. You may be right, but he played qb carousel in cle)

+

the offensive coordinator who took the cardinals to the superbowl

arent talented enough to develop a quarterback? A quarterback whos protection failed him almost as much as the recievers did?

You post some stupid shit but this one takes the cake.

So Quinn is an NFL bust but the o-coordinator you're talking about made him look like a first rounder.

Our coach was the offensive coordinator that took the Cards to the SB and helped Warner look like the old MVP Warner again (Warner admits that Haley played a big part in this) and yet we don't have the staff to develop a QB?

****ing

Stupid

Oh and I agree with almost everything Dane has said in this thread. I don't bet against guys who REALLY love the game, have a passion and desire to win more than anything else in the world, and have incredible work ethics. Those are the guys that end up being your greatest players regardless of skill set.

Steve Largent wasn't fast, wasn't big, had shitty measurables but the guy was Jerry Rice before Rice came along. How? Why? Same reasons that Dane is citing for Tebow. Because he had an incredible want inside to be the best and worked for it.

People can hate on Tebow because he's religious (that seems like a stupid ****ing reason to hate on a guy but to each their own) but he seems like a real decent fellow and truly loves the game. If Dwayne Bowe had Tebows work ethic and want-to, he'd be considered the best WR in the game right now. Basically, he'd be Larry Fitzgerald.

That's the difference between a guy like Bowe and Fitz. Desire and want-to. Fitz is not the most talented WR in the league from a measurables perspective at all. But he works his ass off and wants it. Tebow has that. He won't win in the NFL as a rookie, but he'll probably sit and learn a lot and take over next year. In 3 years he could be scary good. But we'll see.

When the vets come in I wonder how that's going to go down? His trying to impart his religious views on everyone.

Weis didn't do anything worth noting with Drew Bledsoe. He was the OC way back in the 90's for NE and didn't do shit until Belicheat started filming signals.

Brady actually got better after Weis left and had the best season a QB has EVER had under the tutelage of McDaniels. Weis is not considered some mastermind or offensive genius. The Patriots won SB's by stealing signals and running the ball.

if he's lucky he may get to be a QB coach or something at Florida in a few years once he's out of the NFL.

Brady got better because that's the normal learning curve for the NFL you ****ing moron.

I had to +rep this post because you give so much comedic value in your posts I dont want you to go in the red and leave and I know some had to pound that dumb ****ing post.

Larry Fitgerald, Breaston, and Anquan Boldin made Kurt Warner look like the old MVP Warner. Warner didn't have a good OL in NY and his early days in AZ.

I will rep your last post in this thread for being unbiased about Tebow, but I have to wait 24 hours until I can give out any more rep.

What gives you the idea that anything like that will happen?

Tebow has said he won't push his views on anybody in the locker room. But if somebody wants to talk he is more than willing to. Everyone on the Broncos LOVES Brian Dawkins and he is a very religious person. I think Dawkins and Tebow will hit it off and once B-Dawk is on your side you won't have any enemies.

It didn't have anything to do with the Patriots acquiring Randy Moss and Wes Welker...

So, let me get this straight.

Fitz, Breaston and Boldin made Warner look good, not Haley.

McDaniels made Brady look good, not Moss and Welker.

ROFL

So why didnt orton throw for 4500 yards and 40 touchdowns?

Weis didn't make Brady great. BRADY made Brady great. Weis was just along for the ride.

Haley was the OC in name-only during the 2007 season and while it's true he called the plays in 2008, he was under the watchful eye of Ken Whisenhunt.

Haley sucked ass as the OC for the Chiefs in 2009.

Tom Brady never had a QB rating above 86.5 when Charlie Weis was his OC, and had his WORST year the last year Weis was there.

In McDaniels first season as OC Brady had a 92.6 QB Rating without Moss and Welker, and had his worst group of receivers the following year and had a QB Rating of 87.9 (still better than any year under Weis). Then 2007 happened.

He had a better year than Tom Brady ever did under Charlie Weis.

The donkeys won the SB??????????

I understand your point, but I was just talking statwise. Also the Patriots kinda cheated and Brady was nothing but a game manager.

What if he had just asked nicely?

What's more impressive, Brady having higher QB ratings with McDaniels after he'd clearly become a seasoned vet, or Brady winning three rings with Weis, including one as a first year starter?

Also, I think the 92.6 year was Weis' last year...

Brady in his first year as a starter was more than a game manager. You can't be serious.

They cheated and Brady was nothing more than a game manager. Funny how public opinion changes after a team wins the SB. Big Ben was a game manger until he won his first ring and same thing with Eli Manning. But as soon as a QB plays on a great team (or a team that cheats) they instantly become "franchise QB's"

No he really wasn't. Not at all actually. He was nothing but a game manager. He did nothing different than Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton did last year.

18 TD's and 12 INT's screams game manager. Kyle Orton threw 18 TD's and 12 INT's his last year in Chicago.

:facepalm:

Could you possibly be any more ignorant?

He tried to espouse his beliefs at the combine and everyone told him to shut the fuck up. ROFL

Get it through you're little tiny homeristic brain that McDaniels had nothing to do with Brady being a great QB, McDaniels drafting Tebow tells me all I need to know about his knowledge of QB's so please for ****s sake STFU

Yes Game managers often lead SB winning drives in their first season.... dumbshit

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Forgive me for not believing you.

Hey smart guy, how many Championships did Brady win under Weis and how many under Wonderboy? **** your dumbass stats.

You are the ultimate fail.

Weis = 5 years 3 championships While developing a first ballot hall of famer from a late round pick after not being a full time starter in college.
Wonderboy = 4 years 0 championships with a fully developed hall of fame quarterback

hmmmmm

Is Brady a virgin?

I see you don't put much stock in filming defensive signals and knowing exactly what the other team is going to do before the ball is snapped.

Didn't the Patriots videotape the Rams walkthrough before that game?

Tom brady ****s supermodels.

"I got owned and reverted to deflection as my response" /knowmo

FTR, How do you know wonderboy didnt have the same advantage?

Oh yeah I forgot, I already know your response.

"because, GO BRONCOS!!"

ROFL

The funny thing is- if McDaniels is such a great QB coach and can turn anyone into a great QB, then why the ***** did he feel the need to trade up into the first round to get Tebow when they had already received Brady Quinn before the draft?

Yeah, and John Elway just handed it off to Terrell Davis on his way to two rings under Shanarat while they circumvented the cap...

He did have the same advantage in 05 and 06 but then the Patriots got caught in week 1 of the 2007 season and we all know how well McDaniels did without signals the rest of that year.

I don't know but my theory is he was planning on drafting Tebow the entire time and he wasn't planning on resigning Kyle Orton when he became a free agent after this season. Sooo he went and traded for Brady Quinn who has two years left on his contract and he will be competing with Tebow for the starting job in 2011 and the best QB at that point in time will win.

I like tebow
I wanted him to do well
In JAcksonVille

You need to understand something about Broncos fans. As of last year, when they first hired Josh, fans thought that he was an up and coming coach. It all started to fade after the Cutler situation. So they labeled him a visionary. Everyone knows that most of the time when new HC's come in they don't release pro bowl talent. McD did, so the only thing that could have happened is predicated on the fact that "Coach knows something / is a genious." I can't blame them for this line of thinking. Go over and read their message boards. We have some homers... but my god everyone over there just jumps in the agreement pile on everything McD does. It's because they have too. They can't say that McD is making silly decisions because that would be admitting that they traded away some of the best offensive players they've had north of the Elway years for a failure. That is why if he decides to play 8 guys on each side of the ball, Knowmo will say something to the effect of "It was genius to limit injuries by only playing 8 guys."

I rarely read the homer thread or this thread anymore... it's a mental beating. So, now you're saying Brady is average and they only one because of the video taping. Crazy... just walk away slowly.

I forgot about Brunell. I didnt realize Stabler and Zorn were leftys. Please remove Vick off this or any 'good' QB list. I know he's a lefty. He has shitty stats for a QB. I dont give a shit if he made a dozen Probowls. Most. Overrated. Player. Ever.

All of them.

Is there religon in football ... lets all pray for a winning season .....