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Haley thinks Cassel's problem was the players around him
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alot of QB get skittish after being hit all the time if he actually receives some protection this year then we'll see whether he can handle it or not. |
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Accuracy is a different issue. Cassel's completion percentage and accuracy were fine in 2008, when he had a good offensive line and quality receivers who could make proper reads, avoid disruption of patterns, and adjust for the ball when needed. They were not so fine in 2009, when he had a lousy offensive line and shitty receivers that couldn't catch, couldn't get off the line, didn't know or care where the hell they were supposed to be running, and couldn't adjust for the ball. The question moving forward is how Cassel's accuracy will be when he's got a receiving corps that's somewhere in between the top 2-3 corps in the game and one of the 2-3 sorriest groups of 'receivers' in the NFL. |
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That's just stupid. |
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I claimed that he ran when he didn't have to. He ran even though it wasn't impacted by pressure. Who gives a rat's ass as to why? |
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People with brains who are trying to analyze an issue rather than just piss and moan. |
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I don't give a rat's ass as to why, because I can't do anything about it. I can only talk about it. I do want it fixed. I want a QB that can play with confidence in the pocket, and run only wehn it's actually necessary. |
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Matt Cassel #10 QBThere certainly is an idiot involved in this conversation. No doubt about that. "Hey Matt, bring me another towel, will 'ya? And take this funky one away." |
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Throwing in a weak arm only adds to the list of his inadequacies. Chad Pennington can get away with having a weak arm because he has stellar accuracy and has all of the intangibles you look for in a good quarterback. Cassel can't really get away with a weak arm because the rest of his game isn't all that impressive. Franchise quarterbacks have to have some outstanding part in their game. Something that wows you, consistently, every game. Cassel really doesn't do anything outstanding. His best trait is he works hard. |
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Well it is entirely possible that a lot of his problems had to do with the players around him.
For instance, without knowing exactly how many drops we had last year, lets just say we had 50. You can't entirely cut out all of the drops but lets just drop that number half of that and make it 25. Multiply those additional 25 completions by his average yards per completion of 5.9 (which yes I know this is a pretty shitty ypc) and you get an additional 147.5 yards. That puts him at about 3,100 yards for the season. Also add those 25 completions to his previous completion total of 271 and you get 296 completions out of 493 attempts for a completion percentage of just over 60% which is respectable. Maybe I'm reaching but I don't think it's to far of a stretch of the imagination to suggest that at least one of those incompletions was in the endzone and perhaps at least one was tipped and picked off by the defense. So instead of 16 TD's and 16 int's we could adjust it to 17 TD's and 15 int's. After these adjustments you end up with a stat line of about 3,100 yards, 60% completion percentage, 17 touchdowns, and 15 interceptions. That is certainly not great but it isn't god awful either. Add in other factors such as: - A full offseason for Chambers in the offense. - Dwayne Bowe hopefully being in shape and committed to the team. - The addition of McCluster and Moeaki as weapons. - The additions to the offensive line as well as Albert hopefully stepping up his game. - The addition of Thomas Jones plus the emergence of Jammal Charles. - A quality offensive coordinator, Charlie Weis. With these additions I see no reason why Cassel won't be able to step up his game. If he still struggles like he did last year then by all means the guy needs to go. Is he the guy to lead us to a super bowl? It's possible, but probably not. Is he worth the money he is being paid? No. But he is who we have for now and I think he can at least be an above average quarterback. I understand frustration from people if they believe he has kept us from getting somebody younger and more talented. But there is plenty of time for that and there are quite a few options in the upcoming draft who I like a hell of alot better than Clausen. |
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The additional problem is that it may very well convince Pioli that he doesn't need a QB with actual talent that can make the players around him better. We'll have that mediocre QB who needs to have top flight talent around him to make him play like a good NFL, and pass on QBs with actual talent in the draft. |
60 percent is a below average completion percentage in the modern NFL, especially when you are only averaging a meager 5.9 yards per attempt.
Cassel would have been 22nd in the league last year at 60 percent. You want to talk about TD/INT ratio, you have to bring up the fact that Cassel padded his numbers with garbage-time touchdowns last season. He threw one against Philly, two against the Giants, and you can argue he threw at least one against the Jaguars. Cassel was shitty, even if you fabricate statistics out of thin air. |
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If Cassel has MAJOR talent, please, define it.
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he was a backup for a reason...no? He has NO major talent. |
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TRR knows that when I called him a marginally talented QB, he knows that I was talking in relation to other QBs in the NFL. He is simply being an ass, and responding to his dumb ass is wasted keystrokes. |
With the first overall pick, the St. Louis Rams select, Sam Bradford, individual who challenged for the starting QB job, University of Oklahoma.
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I think with the players we've added and him having a real OC, he SHOULD show marked improvement. Especially if JC can continue what he did last season. I'm hopeful Cassel will improve, I'm just not confident that he can.
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I guess we'll see this season. Can't say I have much faith in Cassel because the things I dislike the most about his game (weak arm and inaccuracy) are not correctable.
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I'm tired of the homers who back guys that should have been gone long before they left. We have Grob, CP, Herm, and add to that list Cassel. No more apologies for sucking. The fact that the guy had as low a completion percentage as he did while not throwing the ball downfield is atrocious. He has 70s type completion percentages throwing the ball only a third as far. And to blame all the drops for his problems overlooks the fact that many of the drops were his fault in not getting the ball where it needed to be, often low or behind his receivers. I'm giving him a short leash this year. If he can't get the job done we need to see how well Croyle had done in being able to build up his body to stay on the field.
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Start Croyle ... I think ....
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Keep on sucking on him, though. |
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yeah it was, the defensive players around him
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I don't care what any body or expert says, it shouldn't take 16 games to drive a td in the first quart of a game for the season. 15 games with out an offensive TD that's like going 3.75 games with out scoring a TD. If we went a streatch of 3- 4 games with out scoreing an offensive TD heads would roll and fans would lose there freaking minds.
It's the starting QBs job to get the O on a roll and start scoreing not buy himself but get the ball where in needs to go and on time delivery. I'm tired getting a back up vet QB comming here to be starter and suck ass then have all the excuses so they don't lose there job. Huard Cassle no differance. Excuses excuses excuses. just quit. Croyle didn't get the excuses like that and he got his ass kicked by the Titans because nobody would block. I watch how they play and Cassel has very poor delivery he is has slow motion reaction to blitz, i don't see much that he can improve at this stage of his career. What ever, can't wait for this to get started hopefully Cassel proves me wrong OR let Croyle do it. |
Relax people. Even the great, hall of famer, ****y ****erson struggled in his first year with a rebuilding team.
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It doesn't matter if Cassel played at USC or not. Or that Rob Johnson (who was immensely talented) or David Booty fizzled in the NFL. The bottom line is that you don't get to the NFL by being marginally talented. It doesn't happen.
Are there more talented QB's in the league than others? Sure there are. Either way, you are a hell of an athlete if your playing QB on the NFL level. Quit acting like Joe arm chair is more talented because Cassel didn't start for USC, and because he had a down year in his first season with new receivers that changed every week, a revolving door in front of him, no running game till mid-season, a new offense 10 days before the season started, and a sprained MCL. Yea I know...excuses. All I've ever said is don't be so quick to hang him. Posted via Mobile Device |
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However, when you have receivers with a reputatuion already established for drops, and you team them with a QB who makes poor throws, you're going to see a shit load of drops. |
I'm pretty much down with what TRR said. Like most of us, at times last year I shot up off the couch and threw my hat at the screen at many of the under/over thrown balls to open receivers-"Are you f#*king kidding me!?"...
HOWEVER I think Cassel walked into the perfect storm; what key factors can you check Y or N that ANY QB would have had in place on the '09 Chiefs? I am not a student of QBs and their mechanics/skills. And I'm not a Cassel homer. I'd start Croyle if he were 20lbs heavier- then maybe he wouldn't be as frail as chalk. But like any organization- it takes leadership (read: coaching) to truly change. |
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But compared to other quarterbacks, yes he has marginal talent. |
So Haily is blaming the lack of tallent around Cassel, wander how that makes the rest of the team feel? Basically it's the lack of tallent that Haily inherited from Carl Peterson. Damnet Carl :cuss:
If only we had tallent around Cassel, or like the scarecrow, "If only I had a brain" |
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