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Brock 07-16-2010 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6883832)
What? Actually they should replace corn syrup with aspertame. That would help.
No, it wouldn't.

DJ's left nut 07-16-2010 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883822)
LOL

Are you saying America was a better place to live 100 years ago?

I think you are taking this to the extreme. The business world just wants to make money, so they're not going to solve the obesity problem. Expecting people to just magically become more responsible isn't going to happen, nor is the food industry going to change their ways.

The only remaining option is the government do something about it...saying that's a bad thing is just stupid. Where else is a solution going to come from?

People are fat in this country because the food industry dominates advertising and doesn't give a shit about keep people healthy. The only way to combat that is the government. So you either regulate the food industry, which would make everyone bitch and moan and would be wrong anyway, or you precisely target fat Americans with free weight loss, nutrition and exercise programs.
People are fat in this country because of decisions they make.

You act as though the advertisements are pumping fat into their blood. Or that their eyes are being held open and forced to watch said fat pumping ads.

I'm seen as heartless in this discussion when I at least have enough faith in people to believe they're capable of making their own decisions and should thus be bound by them.

But entirely too many people have your attitude - people are helpless and only the government can step in to save them from themselves.

Oh yeah, and to whatever degree the country is better now than it was 100 years ago, that has everything to do with technological innovation and nothing to do with government intervention. The average American has less purchasing power per hour worked than he did 100 years ago and that's because much of that purchasing power is going into propping up a massive federal apparatus that tells us what we can do and when we can do it.

ClevelandBronco 07-16-2010 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883705)
...If the average fat American was visited by a representative from a government-sponsored weight loss program...
A government-sponsored weight loss program? Are you out of what little there ever was of your ****ing mind?

Brock 07-16-2010 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883822)
People are fat in this country because the food industry dominates advertising and doesn't give a shit about keep people healthy. The only way to combat that is the government. So you either regulate the food industry, which would make everyone bitch and moan and would be wrong anyway, or you precisely target fat Americans with free weight loss, nutrition and exercise programs.
Bullshit. People are fat in this country because they eat too much and they don't exercise. Food industry, advertising, and government inaction have nothing to do with it. Everybody knows they should eat better and they should exercise and they choose not to.

DJ's left nut 07-16-2010 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6883829)
ST TNG reference?
I'm gonna go with an Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution reference.

Black folks = 3/5 of a person.

ArrowheadHawk 07-16-2010 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6883835)
No, it wouldn't.
Sure it would. Zero calories vs. A Lot of calories.

teedubya 07-16-2010 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6883832)
What? Actually they should replace corn syrup with aspertame. That would help.
Considering that aspartame is the devil's semen...

Brock 07-16-2010 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6883845)
Sure it would. Zero calories vs. A Lot of calories.
Read up on it and get back to me when you're a little more educated.

DJ's left nut 07-16-2010 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 6883839)
A government-sponsored weight loss program? Are you out of what little there ever was of your ****ing mind?
Perhaps not, but he sure has been indoctrinated well, hasn't he?

Jesus, the Government has wet dreams thinking about the job they've done on this sap.

ArrowheadHawk 07-16-2010 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 6883846)
Considering that aspartame is the devil's semen...
It helped me lose 50 pounds.

AndChiefs 07-16-2010 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 6883804)
Personally I have no problem discriminating against fat people who are fat because of their own habits. Charge them more for insurance (since they are probably just as expensive as smokers) and whatever else you want to do.

However, using BMI will cause as many if not more problems than it would solve. Its inaccurate in that it would punish the people the gov’t is trying to benefit – people who are in shape and workout. Muscle mass throws everything off. If it goes where a lot of people think it might go, Bruno deadlifting Buicks at Gold Gym every day will suddenly be considered obese and a health risk, pay higher premiums, and be discriminated against just like big Bertha stuffing her face with cheeseburgers at McDonalds.

Some people are overweight for other reasons besides their eating habits. If the gov’t is going to punish fat people, they need to make sure they are only punishing fat people, and broad assumptions based on the (intentionally) simplest formula known to man isn’t the way to do it.
BMI is an awful statistic. My BMI lists me as obese. I go to the gym five days a week for an hour and a half to two hours. I do cardio and lifting.

While I'm not even extremely muscular I'm listed as obese. It's ridiculous.

ArrowheadHawk 07-16-2010 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6883848)
Read up on it and get back to me when you're a little more educated.
I have better shit to do with my time.

Brock 07-16-2010 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6883850)
It helped me lose 50 pounds.
Oh well, at least we have this useful anecdotal evidence. Let's apply it to every man, woman and child in the USA.

Brock 07-16-2010 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6883852)
I have better shit to do with my time.
You're a ****ing reerun.

AndChiefs 07-16-2010 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6883852)
I have better shit to do with my time.
Aspartame increases hunger and causes you to eat more. I doubt the aspartame alone helped you lose the weight. If so, you're special. There's a reason so many fat people buying Diet Coke's are still fat.

Hammock Parties 07-16-2010 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6883824)
People are fat in this country for a variety of reasons, and giving the government more power over people isn't the solution.
The major reason is the food industry.

Unless some wealthy philanthropist decides to do the entire country a favor, the government is going to have to do something about it.

ArrowheadHawk 07-16-2010 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6883854)
You're a ****ing reerun.
:spock: I'm in a message board asking you to tell me why its not better and you basically respond with. "I'm not going to tell you go find out for yourself". And now you resort to name calling. Great way to have a discussion.

Brock 07-16-2010 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883858)
The major reason is the food industry.
No, it isn't. It's behavior.

Hammock Parties 07-16-2010 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6883842)
Bullshit. People are fat in this country because they eat too much and they don't exercise. Food industry, advertising, and government inaction have nothing to do with it. Everybody knows they should eat better and they should exercise and they choose not to.
People are a lot fatter now than they were 50 years ago.

Why? The food industry changed.

Rain Man 07-16-2010 03:02 PM
I saw a documentary about American deserters living in North Korea a while back, and it was interesting. There was a small handful of them, and I think the Koreans did things like kidnap white wives for them and stuff. It was a very strange world they lived in, and particularly odd to see their kids, who were white but had completely grown up in the Kim cult. Very strange.

One of the most striking lines to me was this one guy, a big ol' fat American guy who'd been there for decades, talking about how well he was treated. He said something like, "Even when times were hard, they never cut my food rations." (He got choked up saing it.) 1.6 kilos a day. I always got it. [rain man note: I could be wrong on the amount. Working from memory.]

It was an interesting movie. Here's a review: "Crossing the Line". http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/19/movies/19cros.html

Brock 07-16-2010 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6883860)
:spock: I'm in a message board asking you to tell me why its not better and you basically respond with. "I'm not going to tell you go find out for yourself". And now you resort to name calling. Great way to have a discussion.
Do you want me to post links? Or are you too ****ing intellectually lazy to read them?

ArrowheadHawk 07-16-2010 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 6883857)
Aspartame increases hunger and causes you to eat more. I doubt the aspartame alone helped you lose the weight. If so, you're special. There's a reason so many fat people buying Diet Coke's are still fat.
Look Brock an inteligent answer....You are right it wasn't diet soda alone that caused me to lose weight. It was calorie counting which was greatly helped by drinking Diet rather than Regular soda.

Brock 07-16-2010 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883864)
People are a lot fatter now than they were 50 years ago.

Why? The food industry changed.
What hasn't changed since 50 years ago? Good grief.LMAO

ClevelandBronco 07-16-2010 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883858)
The major reason is the food industry.

Unless some wealthy philanthropist decides to do the entire country a favor, the government is going to have to do something about it.
I really hope you get killed by a Frito-Lay delivery truck.

sedated 07-16-2010 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 6883857)
There's a reason so many fat people buying Diet Coke's are still fat.
but...but it makes up for the calories in a double quarter pounder with cheese!!

DJ's left nut 07-16-2010 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883858)
The major reason is the food industry.

Unless some wealthy philanthropist decides to do the entire country a favor, the government is going to have to do something about it.
Yup.

The food industry shoves food in peoples mouths and plants them on the couch.

The food industry forces people into hurried lifestyles that require them to eat processed foods.

Hell, if you want to blame something - let's blame the entity that takes 2/3 of your wealth through various sales/business/income taxes and parses out out amongst useless programs. That same entity that forces you to work harder to take home less so you don't have time to make healthy meals, excercise like you should or get the appropriate amount of sleep.

Let's go ahead and blame the entity that you want to give more control.

You do not have the chops for this discussion. This is like punching a reerun but at least the reerun knows how badly he's getting his ass kicked.

You really don't have a clue.

ArrowheadHawk 07-16-2010 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6883867)
Do you want me to post links? Or are you too ****ing intellectually lazy to read them?
I'm open to links. Much more productive than name calling.

stevieray 07-16-2010 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883864)
People are a lot fatter now than they were 50 years ago.

Why?
breakdown of family..single parents, and personal irresponsibilty

Brock 07-16-2010 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6883868)
Look Brock an inteligent answer....You are right it wasn't diet soda alone that caused me to lose weight. It was calorie counting which was greatly helped by drinking Diet rather than Regular soda.
So it wasn't the aspartame that caused you to lose weight. Thanks for finally admitting it.

Brock 07-16-2010 03:05 PM
There's so many more TV shows than there were 50 years ago!! It's TV'S FAULT OMGZ

DJ's left nut 07-16-2010 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883864)
People are a lot fatter now than they were 50 years ago.

Why? The food industry changed.
The American lifestyle changed.

The food industry adapted to it.

You honestly think it's the 'food industry' (and you don't even have a concrete definition of what you're talking about) that drove the country to working longer hours? You think it's the food industry that destroyed the family meal or exercise?

Jesus you're stupid. The idea of a spurious correlation doesn't even enter your skull, does it?

sedated 07-16-2010 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883864)
People are a lot fatter now than they were 50 years ago.

Why? The food industry changed.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the increase in technology like cars, leading to the suburban sprawl, which made walking obsolete. Or the shift from industrial jobs to office jobs. Or the invention of television that keeps people inside on the couch whenever they have free time, rather than outside doing something physical.

Life is easier than it used to be. Just watch "Wall-E" for a glimpse into our possible future.

DJ's left nut 07-16-2010 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6883876)
breakdown of family..single parents, and ipersonal irresponsibilty
The food industry caused that.

People are fat because McDonalds tells them to be.

Let's not discuss what led to the rise of fast foods, that would require entirely too much insight.

mikey23545 07-16-2010 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6883674)
We'll all get 1 cup of rice a day and will long for the days when we could eat things like fruits and vegetables.
Oh, you mean like the people of North Korea?

Don't worry, Obama is getting us there as fast as he can.

seclark 07-16-2010 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6883876)
breakdown of family..single parents, and personal irresponsibilty
this, plus a lot more occupations consisted of more physical activity.
edit, to add that more people ate meals at home, together.
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stevieray 07-16-2010 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by seclark (Post 6883900)
this, plus a lot more occupations consisted of more physical activity.
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yup... a serve me society is dibilitating.

Hammock Parties 07-16-2010 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6883872)
You do not have the chops for this discussion. This is like punching a reerun but at least the reerun knows how badly he's getting his ass kicked.

You really don't have a clue.
Your desire to rip me is clouding your judgment.

You don't need "chops" for this discussion. It's plainly obvious that the food industry is to blame. Portion sizes have increased significantly and there are more unhealthy options for dining out, and more of those options.

Don't get me started on food delivery, the internet, grocery stores....

RJ 07-16-2010 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by seclark (Post 6883900)
this, plus a lot more occupations consisted of more physical activity.
edit, to add that more people ate meals at home, together.
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I think those are the biggest reasons. I wish I had a way to be more physically active while I'm at work.

Kyle DeLexus 07-16-2010 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6883877)
So it wasn't the aspartame that caused you to lose weight. Thanks for finally admitting it.
To be fair, he did say it helped not caused. Since he used helped, it was an accurate statement.

Hammock Parties 07-16-2010 03:17 PM
Skinny asian people come to America and turned into fatasses all the time.

Why? Because the entire culture of food and eating is different here. We're constantly bombarded with MORE FOOD FOR LESS MONEY advertising and shit like TACO BELL FOURTHMEAL!!!!

DJ's left nut 07-16-2010 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883914)
Your desire to rip me is clouding your judgment.

You don't need "chops" for this discussion. It's plainly obvious that the food industry is to blame. Portion sizes have increased significantly and there are more unhealthy options for dining out, and more of those options.

Don't get me started on food delivery, the internet, grocery stores....
You are a stunningly shallow thinker.

But I'm sure I'm not the first to tell you that.

I'll even point you in the right direction - Why has a society previously known for self-sufficiency become beholden to "the food industry"?

luv 07-16-2010 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 6883884)
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the increase in technology like cars, leading to the suburban sprawl, which made walking obsolete. Or the shift from industrial jobs to office jobs. Or the invention of television that keeps people inside on the couch whenever they have free time, rather than outside doing something physical.

Life is easier than it used to be. Just watch "Wall-E" for a glimpse into our possible future.
Well said.

"When I was a kid", we didn't need programs designed to remind kids to get outside and play for 60 minutes a day. Hell, our parents had a hard time getting us to come inside.

Brock 07-16-2010 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 6883918)
To be fair, he did say it helped not caused. Since he used helped, it was an accurate statement.
Well, he could have said that he smoked a cigarette instead of drinking a soda and it helped him lose weight. That doesn't make it a good idea for everybody else.

DJ's left nut 07-16-2010 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883925)
Skinny asian people come to America and turned into fatasses all the time.

Why? Because the entire culture of food and eating is different here. We're constantly bombarded with MORE FOOD FOR LESS MONEY advertising and shit like TACO BELL FOURTHMEAL!!!!
So it's food that drove the working world?

In essence, "the food industry" dominates the whole of American society?

You couldn't be seeing this more backwards.

Our culinary proclivities are driven by a societal trend away from the family, away from responsibility. It's most certainly not "the food industry" that's driving the engine here, they're simply responding to the trend.

Kyle DeLexus 07-16-2010 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883925)
Skinny asian people come to America and turned into fatasses all the time.

Why? Because the entire culture of food and eating is different here. We're constantly bombarded with MORE FOOD FOR LESS MONEY advertising and shit like TACO BELL FOURTHMEAL!!!!
What about the skinny asian people that come here and stay skinny? It's not really the food industry, it's the choices people make...granted there seem to be more unhealthy options than healthy ones these days.

sedated 07-16-2010 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883914)
It's plainly obvious that the food industry is to blame. Portion sizes have increased significantly and there are more unhealthy options for dining out, and more of those options.
advertising exists across all industries. people are still responsible for their own choices.

do you think the gov't should control people's spending, since advertising has caused so many people to run up credit they can't pay for? "Sorry Claythan, you can't have that Jango Fett replica, its not a healthy purchase."

RJ 07-16-2010 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6883941)
So it's food that drove the working world?

In essence, "the food industry" dominates the whole of American society?

You couldn't be seeing this more backwards.

Our culinary proclivities are driven by a societal trend away from the family, away from responsibility. It's most certainly not "the food industry" that's driving the engine here, they're simply responding to the trend.

?????

Brock 07-16-2010 03:29 PM
"They gave me too much food to eat, it's their fault I used to be a fatass"

Hammock Parties 07-16-2010 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 6883943)
What about the skinny asian people that come here and stay skinny? It's not really the food industry, it's the choices people make...granted there seem to be more unhealthy options than healthy ones these days.
Exactly. It's now easier for people to make the unhealthy choice. There's more temptation.

You can get practically whatever you want, wherever you want, whenever you want. Or you can just sit at home and have it delivered.

Hammock Parties 07-16-2010 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 6883955)
do you think the gov't should control people's spending, since advertising has caused so many people to run up credit they can't pay for?
I'm not advocating control.

Garcia Bronco 07-16-2010 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6883809)
Even when others' personal business costs us all money?
If we weren't in their business then it wouldn't cost us money.

RJ 07-16-2010 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883963)
Exactly. It's now easier for people to make the unhealthy choice. There's more temptation.

You can get practically whatever you want, wherever you want, whenever you want. Or you can just sit at home and have it delivered.

Yeah, that's because it's what people want.

Hammock Parties 07-16-2010 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ (Post 6883968)
Yeah, that's because it's what people want.
Advertising makes you want it.

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During the last four decades, fast food has infiltrated every nook and cranny of American society. An industry that began with a handful of modest hot dog and hamburger stands in Southern California has spread to every corner of the nation, selling a broad range of foods wherever paying customers may be found. Fast food is now served not only at restaurants and drive-thrus but also at stadiums, airports, college campuses and elementary schools, on cruise ships, trains and airplanes, at Kmarts, Wal-Marts, gas stations and even hospital cafeterias. In 1970, Americans spent about $6 billion on fast food. Last year they spent more than $100 billion on fast food.
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Americans now spend more money on fast food than they do on higher education, personal computers, software or new cars. They spend more on fast food than on movies, books, magazines, newspapers, videos and recorded music - combined.

Brock 07-16-2010 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883971)
Advertising makes you want it.

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No. Enjoying eating that kind of food makes them want it.

ClevelandBronco 07-16-2010 03:34 PM
If we would just legalize drugs and outlaw Quarter-Pounders we'd solve all our problems.

RJ 07-16-2010 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883971)
Advertising makes you want it.

The chicken or the egg?

luv 07-16-2010 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883971)
Advertising makes you want it.
Advertising doesn't make you want it. Advertising finds out what you want, then makes it appeal to you. You already want it.

BigRichard 07-16-2010 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 6883833)
regulating the food industry "would be wrong"? what about the FDA?
Well according to some people we shouldn't have the FDA either. We should get the government out of our food.

Silock 07-16-2010 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 6883851)
BMI is an awful statistic. My BMI lists me as obese. I go to the gym five days a week for an hour and a half to two hours. I do cardio and lifting.

While I'm not even extremely muscular I'm listed as obese. It's ridiculous.
What are your stats? Height and weight? I bet you're not actually obese according to the BMI scale.

Hammock Parties 07-16-2010 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by luv (Post 6883988)
Advertising doesn't make you want it. Advertising finds out what you want, then makes it appeal to you. You already want it.
Go watch that video Zach posted the other day.

People didn't even know they wanted chunky-style spaghetti sauce. They told Prego they wanted something entirely different.

Then Prego started giving them options...

Hammock Parties 07-16-2010 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6883973)
No. Enjoying eating that kind of food makes them want it.
I was sitting in a movie theater the other day, and this big ad started playing with a giant soda and popcorn. The soda was fizzing and sparkling, the popcorn had butter running over it...it looked so inviting.

Before that ad I wasn't even thinking about popcorn or soda. After it, I had to resist temptation.

Watch Morgan Spurlock's Super Size Me and tell me the food industry isn't to blame....

RJ 07-16-2010 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883999)
Go watch that video Zach posted the other day.

People didn't even know they wanted chunky-style spaghetti sauce. They told Prego they wanted something entirely different.

Then Prego started giving them options...

So what would you have the government do, specifically, about fat folks and the food industry? What sort of laws would you create?

Silock 07-16-2010 03:48 PM
Also, Aspartame isn't evil in small amounts. Just like anything, the devil is in the dosage.

ClevelandBronco 07-16-2010 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by luv (Post 6883988)
Advertising doesn't make you want it. Advertising finds out what you want, then makes it appeal to you. You already want it.
Yes. What advertising really does is repackage and sell you your own already existing desires and convince you to associate satisfying those desires with a thing that's for sale. The beautiful part is that as long as they're selling you your own deepest cravings, it doesn't matter what the thing is that they want you to buy. You'll buy it.

Hammock Parties 07-16-2010 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by luv (Post 6883988)
Advertising doesn't make you want it. Advertising finds out what you want, then makes it appeal to you. You already want it.
This doesn't even make sense, luv.

Making someone want something is making it appeal to them.

You can create appeal without previous desire. Watch a movie trailer.

luv 07-16-2010 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ (Post 6883978)
The chicken or the egg?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38238685...ience-science/

DJ's left nut 07-16-2010 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by luv (Post 6883988)
Advertising doesn't make you want it. Advertising finds out what you want, then makes it appeal to you. You already want it.
Don't confuse the boy.

Hammock Parties 07-16-2010 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ (Post 6884004)
So what would you have the government do, specifically, about fat folks and the food industry? What sort of laws would you create?
If you go back and read my previous posts, I'm not advocating legislation or control. Rather an effort to make losing weight, exercising and eating healthy easier and cheaper.

That's really all they can do. Or should do.

luv 07-16-2010 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6884010)
This doesn't even make sense, luv.

Making someone want something is making it appeal to them.

You can create appeal without previous desire. Watch a movie trailer.
Just because an ad comes on doesn't mean I'm going to go out and get popcorn unless I want it.

RJ 07-16-2010 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6884010)
This doesn't even make sense, luv.

Making someone want something is making it appeal to them.

You can create appeal without previous desire. Watch a movie trailer.

Dude, it's not a movie, it's freaking food. There's not a living thing on this planet that isn't born wanting it.

Kyle DeLexus 07-16-2010 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6884003)
I was sitting in a movie theater the other day, and this big ad started playing with a giant soda and popcorn. The soda was fizzing and sparkling, the popcorn had butter running over it...it looked so inviting.

Before that ad I wasn't even thinking about popcorn or soda. After it, I had to resist temptation.

Watch Morgan Spurlock's Super Size Me and tell me the food industry isn't to blame....
Sure advertising works...companies wouldn't spend billions every year on it if it didn't, but It's still about choice. People sure resist temptation when they see a 24 hour fitness ad. I know I don't blame advertising when I decide to have fastfood...I blame myself for being a overindulging fatass.

AndChiefs 07-16-2010 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Silock (Post 6883998)
What are your stats? Height and weight? I bet you're not actually obese according to the BMI scale.
6'2, 210, 27 BMI.

And you're right Silock...I just double checked it and I'm only "overweight". For some reason I was thinking 25 was obese not 30.

DJ's left nut 07-16-2010 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6884003)
I was sitting in a movie theater the other day, and this big ad started playing with a giant soda and popcorn. The soda was fizzing and sparkling, the popcorn had butter running over it...it looked so inviting.

Before that ad I wasn't even thinking about popcorn or soda. After it, I had to resist temptation.

Watch Morgan Spurlock's Super Size Me and tell me the food industry isn't to blame....
You don't recognize the irony in you citing a faux documentary as the foundation for you blaming "the food industry" for America being fat?

No, of course you don't.

Just Passin' By 07-16-2010 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6883999)
Go watch that video Zach posted the other day.

People didn't even know they wanted chunky-style spaghetti sauce. They told Prego they wanted something entirely different.

Then Prego started giving them options...
People wanted a particular style of sauce. They hadn't been able to put that desire into words in such a fashion that the spaghetti sauce industry could cater to their desires. Once that desire was discovered, the food was made, Prego sales improved and the spaghetti sauce industry was changed dramatically.

What part of "consumer driven" are you missing there?

RJ 07-16-2010 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6884014)
If you go back and read my previous posts, I'm not advocating legislation or control. Rather an effort to make losing weight, exercising and eating healthy easier and cheaper.

That's really all they can do. Or should do.

Okay, that at least makes more sense to me than trying to legislate advertising.

ClevelandBronco 07-16-2010 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6884003)
I was sitting in a movie theater the other day, and this big ad started playing with a giant soda and popcorn. The soda was fizzing and sparkling, the popcorn had butter running over it...it looked so inviting.

Before that ad I wasn't even thinking about popcorn or soda. After it, I had to resist temptation.

Watch Morgan Spurlock's Super Size Me and tell me the food industry isn't to blame....
Why "blame" anyone? You have vulnerabilities, but you're not to "blame" for them. Everyone has them.

Just Passin' By 07-16-2010 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6884014)
If you go back and read my previous posts, I'm not advocating legislation or control. Rather an effort to make losing weight, exercising and eating healthy easier and cheaper.

That's really all they can do. Or should do.
And seat belts will just be a suggestion, like non-smoking regulations will just give people a small area of freedom in an enclosed space full of smokers.

Hammock Parties 07-16-2010 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ (Post 6884016)
Dude, it's not a movie, it's freaking food. There's not a living thing on this planet that isn't born wanting it.
We're talking about a specific type of food, though.

It's like stuffed-crust pizza. Before I knew about stuffed-crust pizza, I had no desire for it. It never thought to myself, I want some pizza with cheese stuffed in the crust. I never thought to myself, this pizza would be so much better if it's crust was stuffed with cheese.

The thought never entered my head.

Then pizza hut started advertising pizza with CHEESE STUFFED INTO THE CRUST!!!!!!!!!

I had to ****ing have it.

And so I started eating even more fattening and caloric-ridden slices of pizza.

Hammock Parties 07-16-2010 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6884019)
You don't recognize the irony in you citing a faux documentary as the foundation for you blaming "the food industry" for America being fat?

No, of course you don't.
Super Size Me is fake?

ClevelandBronco 07-16-2010 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6884014)
If you go back and read my previous posts, I'm not advocating legislation or control...
But you are advocating a government-sponsored weight-loss program,and that's enough reason to ridicule you.


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