my scoring proposal has the league so all positions are practically weighted equal...

RB's and WR's get a PPR
RB's get 1 point for every 5 carries
QB's get 1 point for every 10 completions
WR's get 2 extra points for a TD

It just makes the league A LOT MORE SKILL than a standard league where everyone drafts off the same cheat sheet...

you actually have to do your own research and make your own predictions and it feels like an actual accomplishment when you win the league or put together a great team

a 12 team league means you have to PREDICT the starting QB's...you know...the Tony Romo's of 2006 (or whatever year that was)...

I predicted he'd take over for Bledsoe...drafted skill positions first and took Drew Brees real late...followed by Romo in the last round...

had a team end up with Brees/Romo/LT and LJ (with Plaxico at WR) and it was a ****ing juggernaut and I won over a grand...

It was awesome...

THOSE are the fun leagues...

not the 1 QB...15 starters are on waivers every week...traditional scoring leagues where you can do no research, get the luckiest, and win the league since everyone is drafting off the same value chart

You rat bastard!

Which is it,you argue about devaluing positions and then if a rb gets 53 yards you want to give him 5 pts instead of 5.3.Every yard should count for something.

I will use the quote function and try to address your posts all in one post. You may try that sometime.

No you didn't. And you were posting pretty regularly, but wouldn't return any of my PMs, check in on the thread, etc.

I have asked the commish of that league several times for a paypal address and he hasn't given it to me yet. I will definitely be paying for that league, as I have for every league I've ever paid in. I just am trying to get the payment information.

You agreed to the format. And it doesn't matter if it is a $25 league or a $25000 league. You wanted to play in it and then wouldn't even reply to a PM or reply to posts in that thread.

And, no one even asked you to play in that league. It wasn't like someone was twisting your arm. You ASKED to play by posting in that thread.

I just don't like it...

I don't like watching that MNF game and thinking...

ok...he can't score 4.2 points against me...

I like thinking...

ok I need him to rush for less than 50 yards or no TD...

shit like that

the whole decimal system...whoever introduced that (because it wasn't around when I started playing in 1998 on ESPN)...I don't like...

points should always be triggered by some sort of landmark...whether it's 10 yards, 25 yards, a TD, etc...

I don't think you should keep getting fractions of points for every single yard...it's too much

rochambeau

and you assumed I wouldn't pay before the season even started?

I was moving from Bloomington to Champaign...living in a temporary apartment for 10 days while I painted from 7 AM to 5 PM during turnover...

sorry if I didn't have time that week to paypal you $27.50 or whatever...It wasn't my primary worry that week and I really didn't give two shits about responding to PM's for a $25 IDP league...I pay when I pay...no league I've ever been in has a strict deadline before the draft...

and you had an entire month to put the $25 (no service charge like paypal) AFTER THE DRAFT on leaguesafe.com and you were the ONLY 1 OF 10 that didn't...

so please

again

pot
kettle

whoever introduced the decimal trend...ugh

I just don't like it...

I mean...

if that's what it will take for everyone to agree with my proposal...then I suppose fractional points will do...

I just don't like adding up my points at a sports bar while I'm watching football and being like..

ok Fitzy got me 18.3 and LT got me 11.4 and Favre got me 22.9...

Jesus.

Agreed, you have got to do the .1 or .2 per yard instead of by 10. Other than that I'll be happy however we do it.

Just think about it though...

in ESPN traditional (4 points for QB TD's, 6 points for other TD's)...

what position always goes for the first 30 picks?

RB's

that's lame

same with any 4 point QB TD league

my proposal has adjusted the values of positions and you could literally make an argument for taking any player from any positions (sans TE) 1st...

you think Andre Johnson is going to have 125/1700/19...that's #1 pick value...

you think Brady is going to throw 50 again? that's an EASY #1 pick

CJ goes all 2009 once again? easy #1 pick value

it makes everything SO MUCH more interesting when every position is on level playing ground

well I suppose I can partake in one decimal point league...

I just wish more people would understand how important/more realistic 2 QB leagues are...

It makes guys like Matt Ryan, Byron Leftwich, Matt Cassel, Matt Hasselbeck, Trent Edwards, Brian Brohm, Michael Vick, Jason Campbell, Sam Bradford, etc. etc. etc. IMPORTANT...

it makes finding that QB sleeper a conquest, a must, a league changer...rather than having all of those guys on waivers all year

I think that's such a waste of a league...1 QB leagues should NOT exist

well I suppose I can partake in one decimal point league...

I just wish more people would understand how important/more realistic 2 QB leagues are...

It makes guys like Matt Ryan, Byron Leftwich, Matt Cassel, Matt Hasselbeck, Trent Edwards, Brian Brohm, Michael Vick, Jason Campbell, Sam Bradford, etc. etc. etc. IMPORTANT...

it makes finding that QB sleeper a conquest, a must, a league changer...rather than having all of those guys on waivers all year

I think that's such a waste of a league...1 QB leagues should NOT exist

I've played decimals since the 90's and I've seen entire fantasy games decided by 1 yard.Say what you will but when MNF rolls around and I need 78 yards from my rb to win my game,it's a whole lot more interesting.

I can see what your saying. I am comfortable doing that if everyone else is. I don't like using the intervals of 10 though. I just don't like that 99 yards rushing has the same value as 90.

EXACTLY my argument AGAINST it.
In a 12 team 2 QB league every team pretty much has to have at least three QBs (two to play and one to cover bye weeks). While you can generally find someone to plug into a RB or WR slot that will get a carry/reception or two there are only 32 starting QBs.

Which is exactly Hootie's point.

It makes you actually think about draft strategy instead of just following the same cheatsheet everyone else has.

1-QB leagues really aren't much of a challenge, because everyone has a quality QB.

With your scoring system, 16 of the top 20 last year would have been QBs. Starting 2 makes them even moreso.

McNabb, Cutler, and ELI Manning would have outscored every RB other than C. Johnson
Campbell and Orton outscored Ray Rice and Andre Johnson

INSANITY

Why don't we just let him be out of the league and let him find his perfect 2 QB no decimal point league?

Why are we even wasting time on this one?
No offense Dragon, but we're all for it and you're the only nay.
Only reason I see to have you in the league is the excitement we'll get from beating your ass from time to time. The headaches though just isn't worth it.

Shit want to make your league even more interesting,draft coaches like we do,if you're starting coach wins he gets 5 pts,you'd be surprised how many times that 5 points comes into play and also affects your draft strategy so you don't end up with a regular loser.

Kind of a cool idea as well.

Agreed. I don't want to be in a league with a bunch of drama filled bitching.

I like it. I didn't know you can set your league setup for that.

ESPN has the option.
I've done it and it definitely changes a draft in the mid rounds. In one league we scored them like defenses with how many points they scored based on margin of victory or defeat....

FWIW, I don't think arguing about things NOW is a bad idea. It's much better to come to some sort of agreement on settings and let everyone then decide if they want in or not.

Of course it's all a moot point when D3 sets it up with 100 points per pass attempt, 1 point per net punting yard, and 2 TEs mandatory with only 1 RB slot and says, "Accept it or GTFO".

We use My Fantasy League.com and pay about $70,it's great and offers us all kinds of scoring options,post-season play-offs etc.

which is why it's not "technically" a 2 QB league...

you only HAVE to start 1 QB...the other being an OP (QB, RB, WR, TE)

these are the best, most competitive, most strategic, LEAST lottery fantasy football leagues out there...and everyone knows FFL requires a lot of luck

but hey...if you guys like your luck factor leagues, then so be it

just trying to show you a little REAL FFL

I use that for one league...

I have a hard time doing that league every year because of the cost for the service...

ESPN is now FULLY customizable (JUST LIKE myfantasyleague.com) and you don't have to pay for the service

hey that's fine but in our FLB league I was the one trying to CALM DOWN the drama because of a few owners throwing a shit fit from this site

but you're right...

I'm just a huge whiner...

I'm just trying to point out what league is the most competitive, most fun, and most bang for your buck...

I'm always interested in $100+ FFL leagues...but I'm only going to sign up if it's the RIGHT league...

1 QB leagues are never the RIGHT league...it totally devalues an entire position...and an important position at that.

I don't think this is true...

I don't think you're adding in the 1 PPR, the 1 point per 5 carries...or the 8 points for a WR TD...or the bonus points...

I would check but our league manager hasn't re-upped our league from last year so I can't get the engine going...

I might have to devalue QB's a little bit by throwing out the 1 point per 10 completions...

but I'm almost CERTAIN you are wrong in this regard

just did a quick check on that theory...

Rivers: 374 points
Andre Johnson: 391 points

so you're off...

every position is weighted equally...

and of course Brees and Chris Johnson are going to be ahead of the field...

and of course you're going to WANT to start 2 QB's...

but you don't have to...and in all honesty...if the NFL returned to a system where the majority of the teams relied on 1 featured RB...this would be a RB league every bit as much of a QB league...

I'll go tally up Ray Rice's points real quick with this system.

Ray Rice scored 420 points using my scoring format...

For what its worth, I like 1 QB leagues. Have participated in 2 QB leagues, didnt like it, and won't participate in one with 2 QB's again.

Drew Brees approx. 456

(P.S. I tweaked the QB yards from 25 to 30...I forgot that's what we did last year)

why?

because you didn't fare well?

because you didn't understand how to play it?

there are 32 starting QB's in the NFL...

there will be 10 or 12 teams...

In 1 QB leagues...that means a lot of teams can draft 1 QB and stream their byes with SEVERAL quality QB's on the waiver wire...

that's a watered down, lack of skill league

so if that's what you like, then I guess that's what you like

and it's not technically a "2 QB" league...it's a flex position with the ability to use a 2nd QB as a flex player...

and the way I've scored the league...QB's/RB's/WR's and some TE's are built as equals...

the only reason people prefer to use QB's in the OP is because QB's are almost always consistent.

1 QB Traditional Leagues top 25 average picks: 13 RBs; 8 WRs; 4 QBs

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36 RB's go before the 10th QB...

that's just so ridiculous and LOTTERY FFL...

that's all it is

who's going to get luckiest?

why don't we think outside the box and compete in a REAL league.

Shonn Greene, Ryan Grant and Rashard Mendenhall, to name a few, get drafted before PEYTON MANNING and TOM BRADY...

that's just a dumb, dumb, dumb, SUPER FLAWED league format

now I realize I'm SO HARD TO AGREE WITH because I make it that way...

so just read the content of my last 15 posts...

if you take a deep breath and REALLY think about it...you'll realize what I realized about 4 years ago...

Traditional, 1 QB leagues are severely flawed and watered down...and it turns into lottery FFL...

I go as far as to illegal rosters...

as in...

You must have 4 QBs/ 5 RBs/ 6 WRs/ 2 TEs / 2 Ks and 2 DEFs at all times

We need a commissioner to post the rules 1st. Then we can decide to join.

OK, here's what I set up. We can tweak things if we come to a consensus on anything. I'm not going to make this into some kind of drama though, so if you don't want in the league, that's no sweat at all.

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If you guys want, I'll start a new thread with this in the thread starter and a list of people in the league.

Probably a good idea, and I am fine with that scoring system.

We have a 12 man league that has set rules on how many players you must carry the musts are 2 qb's 4 rb's 6 wr's 2 te's 2 k's 2 def's 2 coaches and you get 1 what we call extra player that can be any position but all starting line-ups must consist of 1 qb 2 rb 3 wr 1 te 1k 1def 1 coach.

I guess I was misunderstanding your 2 qb argument,we have to draft at least 2 and start 1 and with the other positions also set in musts it makes for a VERY competitive league.I refuse to ever play in any of these free yahoo etc. leagues again because it's bullshit when the waiver wire is chocked full of good players.