I love this. "Yeah, he's stunk the joint up, but we're stuck with him, so why complain". Some of you have clearly been eating shit for so long you're learning to like it.

You think Albert just stopped trying to block because the clock in his head said "stop" even though the play was still going on right in front of him?

What team coaches that?

Did I say he stopped trying to block, dumbass?

No, you posted something idiotic. I asked a question in response.

So let me see if I understand this.

You think it's reasonable to expect an O-Lineman to hold and maintain his block for 6 seconds?

no and sorry if i implied that. the broken play caused it. time.
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You deleted this originally, so it's a good thing I saw it before you did.

That leads me back to the question I asked earlier.

Did I say he stopped trying to block?

I think it's reasonable for an offensive lineman to play as hard as he can until the ball's out or the whistle blows. When it comes plays like the flea flicker, those linemen know that they might have to hold their blocks longer than usual.

I think it's reasonable for a QB to look at "checkdown" options, even on a trick play, when the first look is covered.

I think one can question whether Albert quit too soon, and one can answer that however one wishes (again, I'd love a list of teams that tell the offensive linemen to quit battling before the ball is out or the play is over), but it doesn't somehow make Cassel to blame for the initial receiver not being open and his finding an underneath man who's route meant that Cassel had to throw over a D-lineman, and that's essentially what Baby Lee is trying to do.

The funny thing is that you dumbasses don't even know what the hell you are talking about.

Albert was initially doubling down when he saw the D-Lineman break away from the middle and work around to the edge.

He came off his initial block and was just preparing to engage the D-Lineman when Cassel released the ball.

He hadn't even had a chance to fully engage him in a block yet.

Besides the switch in coverage MM mentioned, what lineman on earth expects the QB to be throwing over his [the lineman's] shoulder at a low trajectory on a ****ING flea flicker, . . . unless they've been playing with captain checkdown Cassel.

All day, and no one has come up with a flea flicker in the history of the NFL that resulted in a batted down checkdown pass with the QB back up in the pocket, until last week.

Unless you count the 'numerous times' in 'recent years' the best QB of the area did that.

doesnt matter. happened because the wr was covered.


and again MM I dont blame it on albert.

but i also dont blame cassel.

the wr was covered which ****ed the whole play.
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The fact is, Cassel has to see a D-Lineman that isn't engaged in a block and has to adjust for that.

Brodie is the best we have. Throw him in there, if he gets hurt then put casshole in,

and he could have trusted albert to get there and make the block.

we could do this all day


again the play was ****ed when the wr couldnt seperate
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Albert got himself in position to make the block.

That is on Cassel.

You can do this all day, but you'd still be wrong.

The fact is, Albert did his job as well as anyone can ask.

It is the QB's responsibilty to be aware of passing lanes, and Cassel did not have a lane where he threw the ball.

then why didnt he?

hell he had a chance.
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Because the defender, as soon as Albert gets his hands up, moves sideways and back, and the only thing Albert can do at that point is reach for him, which would have resulted in a hold.

Shit, just selected some keyword blocks "Cassel sucks" "bitching about Cassel" "Cassel didnt do this or failed to do this" on the FFvb and guess what?

Almost every thread disappeared from the board....

You could have the thread talk about how the grounds keeper messed up the endzone and it would turn into a Cassel thread...

Jesus he sucks, we cant change it, but could we please talk about something other than whipping that dead horse. Its like people have posts on notepads and they just copy and paste them into different threads...

Can we please stop whining about the people complaining about Cassel? Jeez.

Only if you stop whining about people whining about Cassel... Then we can.

well just have to agree to disagree here.


albert, to me, looked hesitant and nonaggressive. just trying to put his body in the way.

why did he stop his feet? keep running and truck that linebacker out of the play.
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I'm mainly concerned about the people who are whining about the people whining about the people who are whining about Cassel.

It's like a gigantic, endless daisy chain of despair.

FAX

funny with the dumbass not knowing what they are talking about and the defender was a linebacker, not a lineman.
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Ironic coming from the guy who did the same thing with Herm Edwards.

Only if you stop whining about people whining...? Wait, was this a self-directed post?

I've seen episodes of Scooby-Doo that had similar moments.

Oh wow.

How could I be so stupid to not care about the number on the Eagles jersey?

hell i couldnt tell what the number was MM, he just lined up 4 yards off the line

but like i said agree to disagree.

albert could have been more aggressive and pushed the much smaller lb out of the play. imo. but he stopped his feet and hesitated.

but it still was all due to no seperation of the wr.
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I didn't see where he was lined up.

I simply focussed on Albert.

I think Albert was afraid that he might find himself ineligible downfield because of all the movement on the line as he adjusted to the LB.

since we can't talk about the actual performance of our 63 million dollar franchise QB...after an actual game....on a football message board...

what should we talk about?

just let us know...

Herm herm herm herm herm herm, herm herm herm.

now i could see it being that.

he was tentative for whatever reason and that contributed to the knock down.
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The organization doesn't care what we think. /RR

About that flea flicker play. They couldn't have waited till Monday Night football against the Chargers to do that play? Practice it a little bit more and first quarter shock the Chargers with it. It's a gimmick play but we won't see it again for a while, just think it was a waisted play even if it did work.

That "horse" is our leader, and he's a Catastra****, Sir. It is what it is, and I'm sorry our aversion to his Suck hurts your morale.

Welcome to 2006... Glad to see your caught up with the times...

I tell you what, if the Chiefs actually pay Cassel 63 Million, I will purchase you a new flat screen.

Deal?

:clap:

Well lots of truth to this... Otherwise we wouldnt have Arenas, McCluster or Cassel on the roster...

Dont you agree?

why were at it, lets talk some Marty.....

Cassel made one good throw last night that impressed me (and it was called back because of a hold) and everything else was literally a check down...or a dig route...

Either we're really holding him back this preseason (from throwing the ball down field) or we better home Charles/McCluster are two Chris Johnsons because our QB sucks!

Hard for me to be mad about it right now though...Sanchez is going to be a lost cause, too.

Clausen probably won't amount to shit, either...

So we were ****ed no matter what...

You're a hypocrite.

And I'll tell you what, I don't give a rat's ass about the money they are paying Cassel.

I actually think this team did make some improvements and could be capable of winning 7 or games with a real QB.

But with Cassel, I think 5 wins is the max.

He sucks, and as long as he is the QB for this team, this team will continue to suck, and I will continue to bitch.

So, get over it.

Menopause is a bitch old timer.. But in a few years you will mellow out and everything wont seem so doom and gloom for you...

Lets make a bet?

IF the Chiefs win 6 games or more, you take a 1/2 a year off from posting on CP, if they win 5 or less. I will take a 1/2 year ban from CP...

What you think?

Edit, need to make the bet fair.

I'm not a gambling man, and too many things can happen that can change things as the season progresses.

I also don't know what might happen as in the next couple of weeks to improve other areas of weakness to alter how I feel about that 5 win prediction.

I also do have a bet with pawnmower already regarding Cassel's performance.

:hmmm: And I am the hypocrite? :D

:toast:

I will go and make that bet with one of the other Casselbashers....

Six is the threshold of some type of success?

Winning record vs. losing record? 8-8 = push.

And I'm not advocating this type of bet, by the way. These things never seem to go well and end up making all involved look foolish in some manner.

I'm not a gambling man, but I will take a sure bet.

Kind of like... "I know your not a betting man, but I will bet you a 20 that I can get you betting" kind of person?

More like "I bet that blind man won't see the sun tommorrow".

Jeez, dude...:shake:

Bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush?

Suckers are born every day.

I think this team can win despite Cassel. I'm not going to bet you, but some of us want to watch a compitent QB or a learning young QB that has potential to be great. That is why we are bitching. We didn't want Cassel in the first place. Cassel may have an average season with good stats but that would be the result of short passes to our backs not any thing he does great. There is nothing Cassel has done to impress any body or make us think he is a winner on the field. **** Cassel! Draft next year a QBOTF. Deal with it.

Amen.

I agree. BUT... every other single area of the football team is going to have to play a near flawless game each and every time for that to happen. And then, we might win 17-14 or so, as it appears we can only expect the offense to mount 1 to 2 drives a game that have any real chance of putting the ball in the endzone. And, it may take a short field for that to happen.

Haley apparently agrees too, as I saw in a press conference where he said it may be "ugly" wins when we win.

.

if a small faction didn't turn EVERY DAM thread into a Cassel bashfest it wouldn't be necessary. I'm not a "true fan" ... i'm not a "drafturbator".

i wanted Clausen

but dam, a game thread between 2 non-chiefs teams and in turns into a "cassel this ... cassel that". Alot of it has to do with draftubators are just assholes who want to poke,prod and pissed anyone off that can. I understand this, but still ... give it a ****ing rest.

when cassel ****s up ... i say so
when cassel does something right ... i say so

zip it, true fan!

:moon:

This might help you relax.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=29

LMAO

Laz,

I really want to defend Cassel, but I can't. I want to see something that gives me hope that he is going to send this offense into high gear, but I don't. And what is worse, I really can not blame the parts around him. The O-line may not be littered with pro-bowlers, but I suspect there are worse lines in the NFL. He has been given a fairly competent receiving core, yet there seems to be nothing developing between the QB and those receivers. And he has RB's... two at least in Charles and McCluster... that can run behind said O-line.

All I see out of our QB is a quality of play that is much closer to that of a Jamarcus Russell... capable of 1 decent drive a game, 2 at most... vs the other end of the spectrum where every single offensive possession has the makings of points.

I want to see it. I really do. It's nothing personal against Cassel with me, I just want to see competent QB play. I'm not seeing it. And I am not going to pass the blame to other offensive players to mask the blame either.

it's becoming harder and harder to do.

last year his situation was shit ... you could invent a worse situation for a QB. This year it's much better and Cassel still isn't.

i think everyone knows this ... it's still very tiresome.

We are talking about our linebackers on defense and one of these dicks bring up Cassel. I mean WTF?!?

OK, now I agree if we are discussing defense, bringing Cassel into the debate is a bit much. Haven't had time to read all the threads, so I miss out on some stuff like that.

Its not even about defending Cassel, no matter what the topic or the thread, it turns into the same damn thing...

Same people crying and blaming everything on Cassel.. Traffic on i-70 after the game? ****ing Cassel...

Wife hides the jergens and refuses to put out? ****ing Cassel...

Damn trash guy knocked over the trash can this am.. ****ing Cassel...


Hey I think I am getting the hang of this...

Once again.

This team has some parts that could begin to establish true improvement.

But it's like buying parts for your car to fix it.
If I give them to a florist, I'm not going to get my car fixed.

The Chiefs are the car, and Cassel is the florist.

Its not even about defending Herm, no matter what the topic or the thread, it turns into the same damn thing...

Same people crying and blaming everything on Herm.. Traffic on i-70 after the game? ****ing Herm...

Wife hides the jergens and refuses to put out? ****ing Herm...

Damn trash guy knocked over the trash can this am.. ****ing Herm...


Hey I think I am getting the hang of this...

LMAO Holy Shit that's awesome.