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And I don't know why you're worried about speed. Our problem is size on the interior, not speed. We have plenty of speed. I simply can't believe people are upset about taking a playmaker over Daryle Washington. That's baffling to me. |
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And no the problem is Size, interior, and speed. This defense is slow as **** besides the secondary even then you have Jon Mcgraw. It'll show during the season trust me. |
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That meant our only real option was to fill about a billion and a half needs with 7 draft picks. I for one am glad they didn't panic and draft for need. The only two picks I'd reconsider are Arenas and Moeaki, and with Arenas, it's not like we're getting nothing out of that pick. |
Ok here are my actual (serious!) predictions
Wk Date Game Stadium Time (ET) 1 Sep 13 SD @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 10:15 PM L 2 Sep 19 KC @ CLE Cleveland Browns Stadium 1:00 PM L 3 Sep 26 SF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM L 4 Bye 5 Oct 10 KC @ IND Lucas Oil Stadium 1:00 PM L 6 Oct 17 KC @ HOU Reliant Stadium 1:00 PM L 7 Oct 24 JAC @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM W 8 Oct 31 BUF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM L 9 Nov 07 KC @ OAK Oakland Coliseum 4:15 PM W 10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN Invesco Field at Mile High 4:05 PM L 11 Nov 21 ARI @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM W 12 Nov 28 KC @ SEA Qwest Field 4:05 PM L 13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM W 14 Dec 12 KC @ SD Qualcomm Stadium 4:15 PM W 15 Dec 19 KC @ STL Edward Jones Dome 1:00 PM W 16 Dec 26 TEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM L 17 Jan 02 OAK @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM L Team will start playing well down the stretch, but it'll be too late (obviously). 6-10 is an improvement, but you can bet your ass Todd and Scott will be in the hot seat. Quote:
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Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSE
Wk2: KC @ CLE - LOSE Wk3: SF @ KC - LOSE Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSE Wk6: KC @ HOU - WIN - Houston plays the Giants the week before and the Colts the next week, I could totally see them looking ahead to their next game, rather than focusing on the 0 & 4 Chiefs. Wk7: JAC @ KC - LOSE Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN Wk9: KC @ OAK - LOSE Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSE Wk11: ARI @ KC - WIN - If Anderson is the starter, Romeo will know every fault he has and if Leinart is the starter, Haley knows his. Wk12: KC @ SEA - LOSE Wk13: DEN @ KC - WIN Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSE Wk15: KC @ STL - LOSE Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSE - Should be a great matchup of CJ v JC Wk17: OAK @ KC - WIN Overall Record 5 & 11 |
Hopefully we just get better this year and the progression of the young players continue to grow. That goes for our young Coach. Don't want to see us get our asses kicked:shake: Want to see us rip the heads off of our division rivals:) Become a feared apponent and bring back respect to KC Chiefs and Arrowhead. Wins will start to come our way, impose our will over the other team & focus on building a championship team. Win lose or draw, individual players need to get better or get the **** out. The team needs to get better. It's a process, I know, may take another draft or two before we get major results but over all performance needs to be on the up.
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That, or your just talking out of your ass to cling to your point. |
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Most of the elite NT's get paid pretty ****ing well. Not sure where he's coming up with this bullshit. |
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Had Wilfork hit the open market, I believe he would have gone elsewhere and the Pats would have had no qualms about it. Because I also saw Ryan Pickett get signed for a measley $25M and the 49ers not caring enough for Aubrayo Franklin to give him more than a franchise 1-year tender, even though he'll likely walk after this season. Nose Tackles aren't impossible to find. The Chiefs just have to use more than undrafted picks to bring them in. |
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Hell, they potentially win 4 more games last year if they can stop the run. At worst they go 6-10, and beat Buffalo and Cleveland. And they have a chance against Baltimore, Dallas, Jacksonville and Cincinnati. |
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(only when he's one of your only sources of offense, maybe?) |
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And you're acting like a) we would have been competitive in 2010; b) we can't fix these holes in future years. You are pushing for a strategy of drafting for need. Not drafting the guy you think is BPA. Okay point on Arenas. Stupid point on McCluster, who seems to have proven that he's worth the pick. He's flashed a hell of a lot more than Washington has. |
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The kick returner talk would be more apropos if Arenas wasn't the nickel corner and McCluster wasn't lining up all over the offense. Some holes were filled this year, some will be filled next year. It was always going to be that way.
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Our 2a and 2b pick aren't the two picks that are going to suddenly turn this team into a winning franchise. This team had a ton of holes and our goal was to start to fill them, not to expect that you're going to fill them all in an uncapped year. |
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FOUR TEAMS ran for over 200. ELEVEN TEAMS ran for over 110. 21 points per game wins 7-8 games last year with even an average run defense. 21 points per game is enough to win in this league, but not with a shitty defense. The only major problem this offense had/has is at QB. But we all know that wasn't, and probably won't be addressed anytime soon. Might as well spend picks ignoring our biggest holes and use them on players that will hopefully make Cassel look like a competent QB. So far, fail. |
Hell, next year, I propose that we ignore the triangle, and grab another guy who's good for 8 touches a game.
Every year, we might increase our offensive production by 3 points per game, and by 2012, we might actually score more points on average than the defense allows. Memories of Grandpa Dick's Circus Offense and 32 Defense, FTMFW. |
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Washington/Cody don't even make this defense dominant. They make them a top 15 defense, maybe. A top 15 defense and a bottom 10 offense.... yeah, that's the formula for 8-8. |
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How many touches do you think Julio Jones is going to get a game? |
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That's good for a 14-16 ranking most years, and plenty enough to win games, provided you can STOP THE ****ING RUN. You keep talking around something you know you can't dispute: That with even an average run defense last year, this team wins 6 games minimum, and potentially 8. |
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Which is part of the point. You can put all the playmakers you want on the offense, as long as the franchise hitches it's wagon to Cassel, you're not getting as much out of them as you should. Doing something to fix a run defense that allowed close to 170 per game, while doing NOTHING to the offense is good enough for 8 wins with this schedule, and possibly more - in spite of the QB. Christ, we're talking about the most fundamental principle in football - you won't win if you can't stop the run. (unless you have a Peyton Manning-type that can put an entire team on his back) |
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Class is about to start, I gotta leave this to Deez and Dane.
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they will miss you XoXoXo |
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If you improve our run defense, our defense still has major issues and our offense is just as bad as last year. Jamaal Charles is a hell of a back, but he's a 15-carry a game guy and without McCluster, he's the only damn guy on the field anybody on defense will pay attention to. The idea that we could have improved this team to better than 8-8 based on 2 moves? That's ****ing insane. |
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Just because Cassel is on this team today doesn't mean you completely ignore the offense. I'd rather a balanced team than to be dominant on only one side of the ball. If McCluster is everything he's cracked up to be, he's more than worth the pick even if it comes at the expense of run D... (for one season where we weren't going to compete anyway). |
What was the other move, zilla? NT and QB?
Honestly, this doesn't even strike me as arguable if these are the positions, since we're talking about, hands-down, the two most essential positions on their respective sides of the ball. To use a baseball analogy, it's somewhat like talking about adding a #1 SP and 3-hole hitter and claiming that you won't win significantly more games. Uh, yeah...you will. |
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You won't get any argument out of me that we need to improve our QB play and it's probably not Cassel. At the same time, we talk a lot about getting first round QBs, and much as I hyped up Clausen before the draft, 32 teams say he aien't. |
I said it then and I'll say it now, when your a team that lacks foundation pieces, like you know an entire front 7, using 2nd round picks to take role players is extremely shortsighted.
It's like putting a really nice stereo in your car that's worth 300 dollars that needs a new axle and engine. |
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ROFLROFL Don't discount the picks, fumbles and sacks :) |
I'm hoping for 8-8 at best, probably will be 6-10
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2. You draft playmakers Any argument otherwise is moving the uprights from EVERYTHING we heard EVERYBODY say before the draft. You're suggesting a strategy where the only guys we look at are 3 positions. |
After what I've seen this preseason...4-12 they look exactly the same.
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Also listening to them act like kick returner was the biggest need on the team we should all be scared. But lets call a spade a spade, that draft was about trying to make Matt Cassel look like he's not an epic **** up, Get him a guy to run little routes even though teams will sit on it mixed with a returner to give him field position since he can't lead drives because he throws it 3 yards. Personally it makes my day to know we have to draft players because our GM doesn't want to look stupid for trading for an inept QB. |
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You draft the guy you think is BPA. You don't walk into the second round limiting yourself to an ILB, OLB, or a NT only because you need them. And you most certainly, unlike OTW, make the ridiculous claim that a team that needs EVERYthing (like the Chiefs) is going to magically become better than .500 because of two second round players. |
When your team needs everything and you draft guys that are slot receivers and nickel CBs which makes them role players and not starters, what's that say?
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Or that the Chiefs drafting McCluster maybe, just MAYBE, may have more to do with Charlie Weis than it does with Matt Cassel. But of course, this organization is so blindsided by their love for Matt Cassel that they're going to shower him with players to help him succeed. That's why they drafted Eric Berry to play Left Tackle for him with the first pick in the draft. |
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I could see this team maybe 8-8 , we were actually in games last year we should have won so like was said in a previous post if our defense could be middle of the pack. Actually went to the game Friday night (needing a little break from dental school) and Cassel actually threw a pretty good ball surprisingly. I really believe that they just aren't throwing any or for that fact running many deep patterns. just so happened when they did there was not any protection or the Eagles had a blitz called. ( their blitz schemes are prob. the best in the league..) just my insight
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1 Sep 13 SD @ KC Loss, 17-24
2 Sep 19 KC @ CLE Win, 31-7 3 Sep 26 SF @ KC Win, 14-10 4 Bye 5 Oct 10 KC @ IND Loss, 10-38 6 Oct 17 KC @ HOU Loss, 10-31 7 Oct 24 JAC @ KC Win, 31-24 8 Oct 31 BUF @ KC Win, 20-13 9 Nov 07 KC @ OAK Win, 21-17 10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN Loss, 14-24 11 Nov 21 ARI @ KC Loss, 10-17 12 Nov 28 KC @ SEA Win, 21-14 13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC Win, 44-10 14 Dec 12 KC @ SD Loss, 13-24 15 Dec 19 KC @ STL Win, 31-10 16 Dec 26 TEN @ KC Loss, 24-27 OT 17 Jan 02 OAK @ KC Win, 17-13 Chiefs go 9-7 but we miss playoffs |
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But then again, you have to factor in that 2b picks are low second rounders for a reason. It was a safe pick. |
It's nice they took Berry, but that doesn't change what the rest of that draft was.
They can keep drafting nickel CB's and returners all they want, you know how you fix your 3rd CB problem? You get a ****ing pass rush, I don't care who they put in that secondary as long as this front 7 looks like this they will get passed on when teams aren't gashing them for 150+. And hey I'll go with your theory if you like, if those were really the BPA's on the Chiefs board when those picks came up, then I severely question who's running the draft. |
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It was also nice to see the chiefs defense playing with some intensity. Maybe if they can get some things to go their way and a little confidence things will change.
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Mecca, like to know your thoughts on Studebaker?
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Yeah you would think if he continues this pace and play that he will surely be moved up as Vrabel is looking OLD... if he plays though what are your thoughts. He looked good the other night... Quick around the edge multiple moves and good against the run.... if he actually worked out and DJ played up to potential and Belcher worked out the LB's would actually be pretty good.
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DJ play to potential, never gonna happen, probably should let go of that pipe dream.
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Also if Cassel were to significantly improve, with the schedule we play what do you think the record could be..
Seems to be that the talent is there, atleast the first team, to be a better football team, if asomoah turned into greatness and Richardson was serviceable at RT, what this team could be |
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^that. Thanks Dane, you saved me from typing.:D |
I know the DJ thing prob. is a pipe dream but it is a contract year. and he actually looked better against the run friday....was impressed with Belcher the most
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Cassel has NOT improved and most likely, will not improve. Asamoah has not lived up to his potential and looks to be a least a year away as a starting NFL lineman. Richardson is still much better on the left side than the right and he's below average on the right side. He doesn't look like a natural right tackle (which he's not) and even though he may be the eventual starter on the right side, that's hardly an endorsement of his abilities. It's an outright indictment of the right tackles currently on the roster. |
Yeah guess forgot to say was meaning within the next year or two ...
prolly not gonna happen this year. |
yeah thought asomoah was a great pick ......any ideas whats goin on with him?
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On offense, we're still going to try to win despite Matt Cassel rather than because of him. I think we have a chance of being average on both offense and defense, but nothing more. We'll probably win 6 or 7 and stay close in a few others. Don't walk into the season with high hopes for wins/losses or you'll just end up getting frustrated. |
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I obviously don't coach for a reason and I'm not a scout, so I clearly don't know WTF I'm talking about, therefore I definitely shouldn't question the divine wisdom of Pioli & Haley... but I will anyway. How this entire offseason and draft could pass without addressing A) our bottom of the league ranking in pass rush and B) bottom of the league run defense is beyond me. It is unfathomable to me that either of them could watch game footage of Jerome Harrison, coming within 10 yards of setting the single game rushing record and not say "Whatever the f@ck we do, we have to figure out a way to stop the run!"
If our run defense gets shredded like that again this season, the neglect of addressing that glaring weakness should be punishable by death. Its fundamental football. The two keys to a good defense are stopping the run and getting to the QB. We haven't done either of those things well since before the current regime arrived and they have done little, if anything, to improve that. Until they pull their heads out of each others asses, they don't deserve to have a winning record. |
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Man the negatives are gettin me down...lol just playing.
I know Belcher is undersized but have been great Lbs that size plus he is still young |
An undersized ILB behind a team with no nose tackle is a recipe for 5 yards up the middle every time.
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Jackson and Dorsey, Dorsey especially have been better this offseason
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Dorsey looks better physically but I haven't seen that translated on the field. |
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As much shit as the D-line has gotten, in the last 2 games, they didn't make a lot of mental mistakes. And that's despite the fact that Romeo hasn't been aggressive with the blitzes. Most of our sacks/hurries the past two games, between Vrabel, Demorrio, Arenas, and even Studebaker were the result of LBs running through enormous holes, which is what our D-line is supposed to be doing. |
Not so much Dorsey. and Yeah the undersized lb with no nt can be a recipe for disaster. guess tryin to say with a good nt the talent is there for a good young lb core..... whether that talent goes from talent to performance we will see
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This team doesn't throw downfield ever, matter of fact Cassel's desire to dump it, got McCluster killed by Samuel. |
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