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Chiefs cut someone to make room for NT Anthony Toribio
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If that is in fact the case, and the '09 draft was indeed a horrible bust, that doesn't necessarily mean that Pioli = horrible bust. Not at all, in fact. |
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There are a lot of idiots on that site, but everyone makes mistakes. Quote:
Jackson (never will live up to his draft position, but will play solid football for us by the end of the year IMO under this coaching staff) Succop (tied the NFL rookie record for field goal accuracy, missed NO kicks under 40 yards and only one kick all year under 50 yards. 2-5 from 50+) Berry Lewis Moeaki Asamoah DMC and Arenas will both play more than half the snaps and play pivotal roles for us on special teams as well. The like the 10 draft class as much as I dislike the 09 draft class. |
Actually what I said was I wouldn't take Crabtree top 10 when Nicks is going to go in the bottom of the 1st round and they are virtually the same player.
I still stand by that today after their rookie years. Michael Crabtree is not 20 some slots better than Hakeem Nicks, hell he may not even be better. |
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http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...4&postcount=79 Maybe I'm weird but if I had a pick of WR and TE...I'd take Heyward-Bey and Cook over Crabtree and Coffman. ... I thought I remember reading that. |
I understand the criticism of last year's draft. I disagree on some of the finer points, but it clearly wasn't a good draft.
After 4 preseason games, I don't understand the bashing of the Chiefs draft this year. The first three picks all look like they will contribute great things in their first year. McCluster has looked like a more versatile version of Wes Welker. He is a threat from the backfield, the slot and both of the return positions. So far, he is everything the Chiefs had hoped. I don't understand the criticism here. Given our QB's penchant for checking down.... this guy will be an integral part of the Chiefs passing game and a big time play maker. Arenas has been electric in the return game. He is the same size as Flowers, only a little heavier. I can see him playing an awful lot in the nickel. The Chiefs have lacked playmakers. These two are game changing types of players. I just don't understand the criticism. Especially, not now that they have shown it in the preseason. Now, moving on.... Asamoah has looked like a solid third rounder. We all know that the only concern about Moeaki is his ability to stay healthy. This was a gamble here... but, a first round talent for a third round pick seems to be worth the gamble. One could argue that the Chiefs don't have the option to gamble given their lack of good players. I would tend to agree. But, it is a gamble I would take on most teams. I won't bash them for it. Kendrick Lewis has looked pretty good so far. He lacks speed, but he has good instincts, and I don't see a problem with this pick whatsoever. I won't sit here and lobby for Sheffield, because I don't know enough about him and he hasn't stood out, yet. But, overall, the 2010 draft looks good to me. |
Tyson Jackson and Glenn Dorsey will never amount to picks 3 and 5 overall, 30+ million garunteed dollars worth of playing talent. What we invested in these guys they should be ****ing stars and almost pro bowl type talent, or at least show flashes of it.
But they don't. They are serviceable at best if that, and they will be like that this year, next year, and five years from now. We as fans have to accept that, it's a shame our d-line is so bad seeing as 2 of the top 5 highest paid players on the team play on it. |
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yeah there are TONS of posts where people said they loved the draft, the bengals killed it, the bengals pwned, do a search.
you were all over their nuts mecca. |
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I remember the Bengals draft being praised for taking value at nearly every pick.
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hell there's even a thread about it give me a sec |
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But what is the sense? It's done, it's over with. Nothing we can do about it, that draft is history. Can we just move on? *Anyway, it's great to see we got a kicker. I've wanted one for years because I felt this franchise never had a really good one for a long time. Now we have one. Thank you lord. |
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Yeah, I don't know why in the hell people would rather have Hey-Bey over Crabtree. Crabtree runs great routes, has better hands. The speed thing is overrated when you have stonehands.
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Heyward Bey's speed is overemphasized because we all know Al Davis is infatuated by speed. |
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and ill have to search again but the first time im pretty sure i saw a post calling them winners. Posted via Mobile Device |
Getting back on topic, is this guy the only signing we've had off the wire?
If so, we are dreadfully thin on the OL, and not much better off on the DL. |
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I wonder if there is ANY GM in the NFL with balls to do something out of the box like that. :hmmm: |
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Hope they aren't waiting until Week 2 so they don't have to guarantee salary. Christ, the payroll is around $60M for the season. If there's someone out there they want, they should grab them no, instead of potentially being sniped by another team. If there's not anyone else out there they want, Gold help us. |
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i can see your point. one positive about the o line is that we have so many that can play multiple positions. d line?? IDK Posted via Mobile Device |
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Again, this is a bad football team. 620 players were cut from other teams, and our scouts, who Pioli said last year attend every PS game, saw it fit to pick up 1 guy among those 620 cuts. 1. |
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I was in New York in October 2008 for the Jets-Chiefs game. I dropped some details about with whom I met and with whom I was sitting with at the game, and also happened to mention the opinion of other owners around the league in regards to Clark Hunt. Cheap. No passion for football. Business. From that point, ****ing Claythan starts attacking me, as did a few others (Dumb ****ing ****s, of course). Fast forward to Opening Day, 2009. Chiefs payroll? $88 million. SALARY CAP FLOOR. **** you, Clay. |
I'd like to see some research that supports the idea that being the vulture of the NFL is productive way to build a winning team. I'm not saying the research doesn't exist or that there are not players I'd like to see replace a certain 7 or 8 guys on the chiefs.... But it's a reach to really get upset about this. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how a ton of Jamon Merediths help this team's future. I'm not against stop-gap salary casualties either, but we already have Thomas Jones
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:facepalm: Just ****ing look at our roster after the first 20 or so players...that being generous. |
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Tony Richardson was waiver wire trash for this team, as were Brian Waters and Casey Wiegmann. 3 of the 11 guys on the best offense we ever had were guys that other teams released that we picked up. In Waters' and Richardson's case, they were shitcanned as rookies. |
**** you and your facepalm, dickshit. Worst emoticon ever.
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If you look back at the Colts 2006 SB team, Gary Brackett, Nick Harper, Jeff Saturday, and Raheem Brock were either UDFAs or rookie waiver wire pickups by the Colts, as were Willie Parker and James Harrison for the Steelers.
The fact of the matter is that you can't fill every hole with 7 draft picks a year. You have to be able to not only scout UDFAs in May, but also other teams' cuts during the final cut down. You aren't going to find Peyton Manning doing that, but you can find valuable role players, and in rarer cases solid starters and even Pro Bowlers. |
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Also... Is there a greater rate of James Harrisons on super bowl teams than say a Pierre Thomas?
Another thing worth mentioning.... How many of the successful waiver wire guys were given roster spots by another team after final cuts? No doubt that a good number of these 600+ players will go on to have success with other teams, but that's likely after they spend a camp or two with that team starting next year. It's then that coaches will find them roles. Most teams don't wanna give up a roster spot to an unfamiliar project. |
For a team like ours, with half the roster being devoid of talent, we should have picked up at least 3-4 guys off the wire that would keep the back end of our roster churning so that we have a chance at finding that diamond in the rough. Otherwise, it makes the perception that we truly aren't trying...or that we are truly happy with the way the current roster sits.
Either scenario is very disheartening...wouldn't you agree? I find it hard to swallow that with how bad our roster is that the only guy we have picked up to improve it, is a guy NOBODY has even heard of. |
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And Heyward-Bey has that type of potential? Seriously? If so, WOW! |
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Signed as an UDFA last year by Miami. |
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... seriously though, some of us (myself included) spend 2-4 hours on most days on here reading and commenting on Chiefs and NFL dealings and I hadnt even ever heard the guys name before. |
NOBODY. Like Brandon Carr.... He doesn't even have a draft profile OMG!
To me it's like this... We're complaining about keeping Travis Daniels over some other guy who will likely wash out. I was reading the old draft thread and it's apparent that some people take themselves way too seriously when it comes to talent evaluation. One post was particularly funny. OTWP, raging from the selection of Colin Brown, said that taking Brown ahead of (names three guys) was "inexcusable!" Now Brown ended up being a terrible pick and true WTF moment, but the three guys he mentioned have already been released by other teams. So...inexcusable? really? Now sometimes they'll get it right... like siler or something.... but you just don't know. The waiver wire is the same way. Just as likely as picking up a stud...we'll give away a Joe horn or Bernard Pollard. That said, ocallahan doesn't need to be here....anybody else you could probably make a case for. |
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McCluster has done jack shit from the slot and we're already comparing him to Welker? Right now he is a gimmick out of the backfield. He has a lot to prove. Remember, he was NOT a wide receiver in college. Quote:
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He's playing conventional positions. Right now, we know he can be an effective runner and effective catching balls on screens--that's no gimmick. If he can play the slot well, then that makes him multi-dimensional. I don't understand why being a jack of all trades is considered a gimmick. The only gimmick is that you never know where he's going to line up until the ball is snapped. |
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99% chance a waiver wire guy will never be anything more than a 1-year contributor or roster bubble guy. We can bitch all we want about payroll, but the reason the Chiefs lose is not because they're cheap, but because they haven't drafted well in years. |
Can someone name 1 significant contributing waiver wire pick for any team last year?
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First, McCluster was originally a WR in college. He worked his way into being a running back. He also has done more in training camp than was shown in preseason games. BTW: He was compared to Welker on draft day. And, he has done NOTHING to dissapoint. Now, for Asamoah. I don't think he has had a horrible preseason. I think he is about what a third rounder should be. And, I think he can work into a starting player. |
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Oh and don't forget Pope and Castille....errr |
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His first two years for Ole Miss he was a receiver. The coaching staff wanted to get him the ball more so they moved him to running back, but he still lined up as a receiver quite a bit. Asamoah had a bad first game in PS, but seemed to play better each game after that as well, showing he is applying what he was working on in practice on the game field. That's a sign of a player that will be pretty good in time. I think by years end he will be a fan favorite. I really liked that pick. |
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Either RedThat is starting to come around lately, or I need to reassess my posting quality before hitting "post reply"
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