That's true, but I think Philip Rivers makes up for it with his leadership skills. I think Rodgers will get there soon though.

I'd rather have Rivers because he's won playoff games and is more experienced in that aspect. I don't care about arm strength. I care about winning and accuracy. I'm not saying Rodgers isn't accurate, he's probably the most accurate downfield QB in the game, I'm just saying arm strength is overrated when talking about the qualities that you look for in a top QB.

Right now, all things taken into consideration, I'd take Rogers over any QB in the league.

He's young and getting better.

Based on potential, I'd take him. Based on results, I'd take Rivers. Young, still plenty to improve on, already has plenty of big game experience, etc. I'd say it's a win-win either way really. Can't go wrong lol.

If I was building a franchise, I might take Stafford first. If I want to win now, Rivers or Rapelisburger.

All this QB talk makes me cry.

No worries, Berry is gonna end Rivers' season, Brady style. That should make us feel better, eh? haha jk jk.

I just got on Chiefsplanet and this is the first thread I click on......




:facepalm:

If Rivers is a B Cassel has to be what, a T? Is that far enough below F?

I think as someone said a little while ago, there's not enough letters in the alphabet to account for Cassel.

the current chargers team has proven they can compete with most of the league.

the current chiefs team has proven that they belong in the gutter

ROFL @ those ratings.

I share your pain.

Norv was a great coordinator, but I don't think he ever had to coordinate a unit anywhere close to as poor as the one the Chiefs put on the field last year. They were starting guys the week they picked them off the waiver wire. Not to mention Matt Cassel.

That said, I don't think Haley has much on his resume to say he's a great coordinator, but there had to be some reason why his name was coming up for jobs before we'd even hired Pioli. And I think he's showing some signs that he might be a good head coach, although I'll be shocked the day he ever looks comfortable talking to the press.


As for why San Diego is better, I would say it's because they've consistently been the team of the division for 5 or 6 years, while we've swirled the bowl, and the only important piece they've lost there is Tomlinson. We're rebuilding, and they're already built, basically.

I do think, however, this is a great opportunity to take one. They're down a couple of integral starters, and they have a tendency towards slow starts to the season.

Unfortunately we tend to start slowly, too.

How can you tell?

We start stationary and end crawling.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Chiefs pull an upset. Chargers are on the decline. No LT,VJ,MM and Norv Turner is "Peter Principled out as an O coord. Chiefs are flying waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay under the radar for most if not all the rest of teams in the NFL. Chiefs schedule is not that tough. I realistically seeing them winning 8 and with a few breaks going our way we could win 10.

Chiefs 24 Chargers 17

I agree. Haley put the dot on the i for being a head coach when he got into Boldin's grill. Haley didn't realize how much that 5sec clip did for his coaching career until afterwards I'm sure. NFL fans and GMs especially loved that because our culture of Pro Athletes are Primadonna's and Haley is old school and there are still lines you don't cross as a player. And Pioli and Haley worked together in the Jets org working through some adversity together so they trust each other and that is huge for a GM.

First of all, our DL and LBs are closer to Ds than Bs.

Second, Mathews is going to absolutely abuse us.

Chiefs lose by 20+

**** you in the vagina. :harumph:

Are you off your prozac again??????????????? Damn it Dane!:D

Found Dane a new avatar!

http://disney-clipart.com/winnie-the...ore/Eeyore.jpg

Win the AFC West 3-4 years straight
and still have to deal with blackouts

Buck is pretty much the only Chargers fan. In this world. Seriously.

Yeah, now wheres my ****in trophy?

Ever been to the Murph?

That's pointless, I've been saying this for years.

The Chiefs could barely stay within 30 in last year's games.

Tell me, how will this year be different?

What game changing playmakers have the Chiefs added on the defensive side of the ball that will shut down the Chargers running attack?

Who will stop Gates?

Who will shut down Rivers?

How will the Chiefs score enough points to win?

Succop?

TELL ME.

Saccopoo?

Ever been to South Carolina? It's ok this time of year. Not as crowded being that summer is pretty much over.

I've been to Myrtle Beach in June.

Does that count?

:spock:

Oh yes. That's my favorite time to go. It's a ghost town now though being that summer is over. Sad pants.

Tell me ONE thing that will make a difference between losing by 30 or more points.

Don't give me Weis or Crennel. Coaches don't make NEARLY the difference people think it will make.

Hence, Herm to Haley.

Eric Berry can't shut down Matthews and Gates by himself.

McCluster will be lucky if he breaks 50 yards total.

Cassel sucks ****ing ass.

The "crowd", in the end, doesn't mean jackshit.

So, what does that leave us with?

There is no way in hell Chiefs will lose by 20 to the Chargers on Monday night football. It is the home opener of the new stadium for christ sake. The fans are going to be loud and rowdy. The Chiefs are going to be fired up and ready to hit the Chargers square in the mouth. Nevertheless, you being such the loyal chiefs fan that you are. You have already thrown in the towel before the season has even started. I swear some of you are Chiefs fans for the sole purpose to bitch about the franchise.

Young and Hungry, bitches. Young and Hungry.

Yes, it does.

It always has...

1)Rivers playing sub-par in Arrowhead. Yeah, he plays below average in cow-town.

2)Rookie running back in his first game. This is where the ****ing SUPER BOWL WINNING DC COMES IN. Enjoy picking up the blitz from....wait....wtf!

He's there to run in season 1, not block and pick up blitzes. Not only does this make them more predictable but weaker in the passing game.

3) They have huge, lumbering WR's right now. Big guys who're ****ing slow as dirt (if Vincent Jackson doesn't play.) Floyd's never been a favorite of Rivers.

4) The defense is not what it was. Ever since Marty left they've ben less and less impressive as the calendar turned.

5) The Norv factor...

Tell me how the chargers are going to shut down our running game. We have Charles, Jones, and McCluster to throw at them. They lost J. Williams who was the corner stone of the Chargers defence. Cassel sucks.... but our running game will give him enough time to atleast hit Bowe who can break tackles and run for YAC with the best of them. On the defense we have one decent corner and one that should be a pro bowler. Then Berry who I am extremely exicted about and would put him 1 on 1 with Gates. If our front 7 can slow down the run. We will keep it close and maybe even pull out a win with the crowds help.

Maybe you should talk to Denver's front 7 about that. I'm sure they'd disagree.

Hell yeah. The team and Chiefs fans. Im going to Monday Night and can't wait. I can't even remember the last time I was this excited about a Chiefs game. If the chiefs can keep it close it is going to get very loud in Arrowhead.

If the stadium is live and Romeo dials a monster game, we are GOING to win this mother****er. Period.*


*Homervision = ENGAGED.:D

I'll set the total yardage from scrimmage at 200 and put however much money on it if I'm taking lower

DAMN RIGHT! Romey is the x factor. Intensity will be huge as we are out manned at most positions.

Bullshit! 220 yards. Are you ****ing high? Not a chance he gets that many yards.

Jerome Harrison agrees with you.

Go back and look up Dane's prediction for the first Oakland game last year. He said they would run it all over us and it wouldn't be close.

We lost but they didn't run the ball well (67 yards) and it was very close.



I am actually glad he is making this prediction.

Yes, lets predict every game to be that way.

No, let's scoff at the possibility that a talented RB could run for lots of yards. It'll never happen!

170 by a rookie in his first game? Yea I will scoff at that. If I am wrong I am wrong but hey, I find that a bit exaggerated.

I know our weakness will likely be run defense but I am also not a person who constantly looks at everything as worse case scenario.

Give it a couple weeks and maybe I will.

A rookie running for 220 in his first game...um...not happening.

I expect Matthews to fumble twice. I expect pressure on Rivers. I expect our run game to dominate. Then, I expect our asses will be handed to us.

FAX

So only 1 back had over 150 on us...yet Mathews is going to have 170 in his first game? Yeah... Dane must have gotten into Lindsay Lohans stash.

With the exception of Shat Cassholi, my Homervision is now on until the finale of MNF. I want this win, and my spirit shall not be trampled upon by YOU, Four Horsemen! :p

This is the one time of the year that fans of every team can look at the standings and say, "Hey, we're in first place." Screw it, I have the rest of 55 weeks to talk shit. GO CHIEFS!

(Mathews is still going to abuse us)

$10,000 casino cash bet that Matthews rushes for less than 100 yards.

$10,000 casino cash bet that McCluster has over 50 total yards.

Interested?

Our Punter's better than your Punter.:p
We won't need him though

Ill take that bet on Mathews. But let's make it interesting and go all in.

10k? I lose more than that running for the bus...

Yeah, Matthews isn't going for 170...120-130 would be a reasonable guess while still gashing us. San Diego went for only 35 yards more than 170 in BOTH games combined last year.

ROFL

Holy shitballs, how did I miss this thread?

Phil Rivers is a "B" and Cassel is a "C"?

Jesus tapdancing Christ, kids must be eating paint chips like Skittles up there.

ROFL

I'll take the Mathews one for however much you want.

Keep smokin' that crack

That's because they're ****ing dumb.

Any coach that doesn't run the ball repeatedly and with aggression towards the Chiefs defense is stubborn and dumb.

Seriously.

Here's my honest opinion.

No offense to your team, but the Chargers are clearly better. Especially when it comes to the Chargers offense vs. the Chiefs Defense. If you decide to play heavy pass coverage to stop rivers, we can run all over you. Mathews is no joke. I backed LT that whole time just because I hadn't followed any other RB for 8 years, and I didn't know any better, but watching Mathews play, I realized that he has the strength and speed to regularly run more than 3 yards per carry.

If you try to stack the box, Rivers will shred.

Its a pick your poison deal.

I also think our defense is better than your offense, but its not as pronounced.

Also this has been a fun thread to read.

"Why are the Chargers that much better?"

Personnel.

Who is smarter?

Dane?

OR

Vegas?

Is Dane smarter than Vegas?

How does that saying go?

Vegas never loses?

Something like that...?

(Here's a little gambling lesson for you folks)

Spread opens up at KC +5.5...

90% of the money is put on San Diego.

So...what usually happens? If Vegas wants to even out the money (to make sure they...DON'T LOSE)...they'll move the line...such a dramatic % of money...means they'd probably move the line to something like KC +7.5...to try and entice some action on the Chiefs.

What do they do?

THEY LOWER THE LINE TO KC +4.5 TO ENTICE FURTHER ACTION ON SAN DIEGO!!!

So what does that say to you?

Vegas WANTS action, and they want the PEOPLE to put $$$ on San Diego.

Meaning Vegas is taking KC +4.5...and they are SURE of it.

Now...

Is that to say Vegas doesn't get some wrong?

Hell no...they got crushed last year for the first quarter of the season...

but in the long run, Vegas NEVER loses...

and they lose by winning these bets.

You know they ban people from sports books in Vegas who bet line moves like this?

A PROFESSIONAL GAMBLER WILL PUT A HEALTHY BET ON THE CHIEFS SPREAD...for sure. The sharps will put several units on the Chiefs on Monday.

I'm sure it's fun for you to read because apparently, more than 90% of Chiefs fans don't realize their teams ****ing sucks ass.

4-12, 2-12, 4-12 mean nothing.

LMAO

The Chiefs have not made significant personnel changes to their defense from last year, the same defense that was ranked #30th in total yards and 29th in total scoring.

Eric Berry is not superman, nor can he single-handedly cover Gates and Matthews.

Many Chiefs fans are in for a HUGE shock come Monday night.

How do you know 90% of the money was put on the Chargers?

Reasons why the Chiefs will pull an upset:

1.) It's a division game.
2.) The Chiefs ground game will control the tempo of the game.
3.) It's Monday Night Football...and it's kickoff weekend. The stands will be full and the crowd will be pumped. If we have home field advantage ONE TIME this season...this will be the week.
4.) We've improved, they've regressed.

I know Rivers can kill us with the pass...I do. If we lose, it will be because Philip Rivers beat us. That's my opinion.

However...I think Charles/McCluster and Thomas Jones will pound the shit out of the ball...I think we will win the T.O.P. and I think our defense will play good enough to get the job done.

I think the Chiefs win 24-20 and I think we'll be on our way to an up and down, 7-9 or 8-8 season.

You know its a division game for the Chagers as well right?

Its also week 1 for them too, I'm sure they will be pumped.

Several reasons:

1) I lived with a bookie/professional gambler in Chicago for a year and a half...he taught me how to bet line moves successfully.

2) I have a website that shows me where the $$$ is being bet.

http://www.sports.com/sportsbook/liveodds.php

That's one for example...

91% of the money is still on San Diego (-4.5)...

The public was on them when they were (-5.5)...HEAVILY

and Vegas moved it down.

anyone with a betting background and a bankroll would put HEAVY money on KC to cover...

1. Manning
2. Brees
3. Rodgers
4. Rivers
5. Roethlisberger

Anyone who has a different opinion is wrong.

you've never been to Arrowhead when the fan base is pumped up...

This is going to be a heavy home field advantage...

yes they have Rivers...that is their X factor...

but they lack experience at WR and OL...

and their defense simply doesn't scare me...

I think San Diego will win the division, sure...

but this is a great set up for the Chiefs...they get one of their toughest division games at home on MNF to start the season...

this will be like the great Arrowhead of the 90s back when DT and Neil Smith were rocking the joint...

That's huge and Vegas knows it.

They were getting 90% action on SD and moved the line DOWN? Why, to get to 95%? That doesn't make any sense.

Apparently Vegas knows something we don't.

Maybe Rivers knocked up his mistress.

Dude, the Chiefs have won exactly FOUR home games out of the past 48 games, two of those coming in 2007.

The crowd will be completely out of it by the fourth quarter, if not earlier.

Well, Roeth should be swapped with Rivers since he has 2 titles and Brady needs to be in there. But other than that, yes..

Actually i think Vegas is betting heavily on the Norv element. The guy chokes harder than his kicker in big games.