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He really only had two bad plays: the sack at the end of the first half and he overthrew a guy in the end zone. He was good outside of that. He made some plays, including the touchdown pass to TJ Moe, that only a handful of college QBs are capable of.

What is your college team again RustShack? Honest question.

Thanks dude. I guess, there's no midget or Brody among them.

Iowa State I believe.

Since there's no such thing as a 35 or 40 yard out route, you're going to be looking for a while.

Didn't Gabbert eat ISU up last year? Gabbert's stat line against ISU last season:

32 23 71.9 337 2 0 10.5 181.0

Yep. I believe he's the one who said that Austin Arnaud was poised to be one of the top QBs in the Big XII last year before he got hurt.

Oh he did make some plays. And put up some nice stats. I would take him as a College QB. His pocket presence was complete shit. He could have stepped up multiple times and made some real nice throws. Instead he kept running out of the pocket, a lot of the time when he had no reason to at all. A lot of times it made his footwork and throwing motion complete shit too. Sometimes he would start to run out(for no reason) then just stop and make an ugly though. To his credit a lot of those ended up nice plays.. but that wont fly in the NFL.

Who said anything about an "out route"?

I was referring to, well, a 35 or 40 yard pass. Down the sideline? Down the middle? Hit in stride?

Work with me here.

I don't think I said that last year. I might have said being in the spread will help him. But I did say he will be this year. I've however never said anything about him being an NFL QB, and thats what this thread is about.

Yeah, Gabbert was good when he wasn't playing against a good defense.

Vs Texas, Nebraska & Oklahoma State: 47-103, 581 yds (172.7 yds/gm), 2 TDs, 5 INTs

Vs everyone else (10 games): 215-342, 3012 yds (301.2 yds/gm), 22 TDs, 4 INTs

You said 35 or 40 yard outs. I guess I just assumed that you wanted him to actually throw it to a player. I think I would question a quarterback who threw the ball 40 yards downfield when a deep out route is 12 yards.

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Yeah? He was doing good last year outside the Iowa game before he got hurt.

There are 11 other teams in the Big XII.

Was he:

Better than Sam Bradford? Better than Colt McCoy? Better than Blaine Gabbert? Better than Todd Reesing? Better than Zack Robinson? Better than Taylor Potts? Better than Robert Griffin?

At the absolute best, he was poised to be the 8th best.

In his 5 games(excluding Iowa) before getting hurt he had 1,000 yards, 8 TD's and 0 Int's. It isn't great, but it was also without three of his top 4 Wr's. The second game of the year against Iowa was ugly with 4 INT's... but that was again without his WR's and his first real game in a spread offense. After he broke his throwing hand he finished the those games with 935 yards 6 TD's and 8 INT's.

This year though he has all three of those WR's back, one who stepped up pretty big last year, and a much better TE this year. Not to mention its his second year in the spread offense(our OC who game from Rice broke nearly every offensive record there after a down first year including having a top 5 offense in the Nation) and this is the first time AA has been in the same offense two years in a row.. not to mention its also his Senior year. Like I said, hes poised to have a big year.

He was very impressive last week(outside just a few throws) against NIU who is ranked higher than ISU, went to a Bowl game last year, and they have the #1 defense in whatever conference they are in.

That was me talking about him this year..

Wait my bad wrong one. Yeah he could have had a better year than some of them if he hadn't got hurt. Who knows where he would have finished... he was in the top half at least before the injury.

No it wasn't. You said that he was poised to be one of the better QBs in the Big XII BEFORE he got hurt. He got hurt last year.

But anyways this is pretty irrelevant to this discussion.. because being a good Big12 QB doesn't make you a good NFL QB.

Better.

He's a solid QB, but he's not a guy who stands out. You can't laugh at the game Gabbert had against Illinois while praising Arnaud. I think Gabbert's over-rated, but he's way above Arnaud.

There's never been a Big XII QB who was a good NFL QB. Kordell Stewart is the best one. Yuck

Uhh.. I have never said anything about Arnaud being a NFL QB ever.

This is completely uninformed bullshit.

I don't know if Gabbert is overrated. Most MU fans know he has weaknesses, and the drafting sites don't seem to think he is a sure-fire 1st rounder in the next draft. Blaine has all the physical tools of the ideal NFL QB. In some of the drafts we have had in recent years he would probably end up an early 1st rounder, but in this upcoming draft he could drop quite a bit. Some years there just aren't many QBs that have the physical abilities NFL GMs want combined with great college careers. Locker will probably never do much at Washington, but he seems like a surefire number one or at least top three pick.

My hope is Gabbert stays at MU for a while and works on his weaknesses like pocket awareness.

LOL

Did you not watch the game?

Troy Aikman started at Oklahoma, albeit for a year before transferring.
Bobby Layne played QB at Texas.

Granted, they were SWAC guys, but Kordell was a Big 8 guy.

Not all of it. Gabbert ran into pressure several times when he had a nice pocket. It drove me absolutely nuts.

I watched the game, yes. Go back to the game thread. I was commenting in it.

I didn't see him step up once. All he wanted to do is run out with or without pressure. Even when he didn't run you could tell he wanted to by what he did with his feet most of the time. I don't know if hes like that every game or not... but he sure as hell was against Illinois.. or he could just have terrible footwork... which I'm not saying.. but if your trying to say he wasn't trying to run out then he must.

I believe Stewart's Senior year was the first year of the Big XII.

I'm not going to argue about this, because just the way your talking I'm just going to assume your a Mizzou fan and that you have been talking up Gabbert as a NFL prospect so your going to be all stupid about it. Honestly though, you are the one and only person I have encountered so far who is denying that he was playing like that last week.

Incorrect. His final year was 1994. The Big XII's first year was 1996.

He struggled in the first half, but he played demonstrably better in the second half. He stayed in the pocket, save for one play where he had about 12 seconds in the pocket. He didn't play nearly as well as he did against Illinois last year, but that's not to say he played poorly. He had no running game, and a lot of the screens they ran early in the game were very poorly designed.

Technically, the Big XII was formed in February 1994, but you are correct. They didn't actually play under the Big XII until 1996.

Either way, Kordell Stewart is the best QB that you can even loosely tie to the Big XII. If you take him out of the mix, and I guess you should, it's Vince Young.

Chase Daniel - Future best NFL QB out of the Big 12.

Alright I can believe this. I watched the full first half, and was off and on during the second half.

Good God, you were wrong. Just admit it and stop trying to spin. This isn't DC. He never played a Big XII game, he missed it by two years.

The entire team looked better in the second half. I was there at the EJ Dome. I was catatonic at half time, then ecstatic once the game was over.

Sam Bradford might be the best NFL Qb.

Keep doubting Seneca Wallace and Sage Rosenfels!

Exactly. Nebraska doesn't exactly put its quarterbacks in position to play in the NFL.

Gabbert is pretty far down the list as far as prospective quarterbacks go. They don't like his inaccuracy.

The guys beyond Mallet and Locker that seem to be getting a lot of attention from the pro scouts is Christian Ponder of Florida State and Pat Devlin of Delaware. Devlin has a rocket arm and is very precise with his throws. Ponder is incredibly accurate, has superb footwork, excellent pocket awareness and already has his MBA from FSU.

Gabbert, at this point, is a third/fourth round guy due to his lack of accuracy and experience in a spread system.

LMAO

Every one of these college QBs we're discussing are better than Cassel.

"lest we not forget"?

Yeah, I was good until Billay compared Locker to Cassel, which is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

Even just looking at it makes me think the universe has imploded.

The stats are comprable.

What? :spock: You're comparing college stats...to NFL stats?

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

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Wow.

You should probably sit the next few plays out, Champ.

LMAO No. No they're not. See, Jake Locker actually ****ing STARTS for his team. I can't even believe you're trying to sling this shit. I'm going to chalk you up as trolling.

LMAO

I would chop off my pinky finger to have Locker drafted by the Seahawks. I'm serious..

When was the last time you used your pinky anyway?

There's really no way Gabbert should even consider coming out at this point. If anyone thinks Mallet is a questionable prospect that should send up the flag to Gabbert to wait it out.

I guess we'll see what happens in a few weeks it's not like the Pac 10 has impressive defenses.

Get your homer goggles off man, they're killing brain cells. You think hobbling around on a nearly broken ankle had anything to do with the stat lines in those 3 games? You can't seriously say shit like that and then follow it up with a pro Austen Arnaud post within the hour. The only good defenses AA faced last year were Iowa and Oklahoma State (injured against Nebraska). Let's take a look at the stat lines for those games:

24/49, 267 yards, 1 TD, 7 INT's.

Real impressive. Everyone fear the Cyclones aerial assault. ROFLROFLROFL

Also, saying Gabbert looked like shit last week doesn't hold much weight when you say Austen Arnaud looked very impressive with his 0 TD's and 2 picks against a team that you don't even know what conference they're in.

Good way of putting it.

I don't think there's a chance they pay Cassel that bonus.

Plus, most of the really bad teams in this league have their QBs. Tampa has Freeman. STL has Bradford. Carolina just took Claussen. Oakland might stick with Campbell based on this year. Denver just invested in Tebow. Detroit with Stafford.

The only real bad teams in the league that need QBs are Buffalo, Cleveland and us.

I think we'll have a shot at one of the QBs. Now whether Pioli takes a shot at one is another story.

He completed 59% of his passes last year while playing 1/2 of the season with a high ankle sprain on his plant foot. In his first game this year he completed 71%. It's just going to be "wait-n-see" as to which is the real Gabbert, I guess.

He stayed in the pocket MUCH better in the second half, for sure. But he had happy feet the entire first half.

Yeah, 34-48-0 (71%), 281 yds, & 2 TDs...scary awful.

Mallett has played horribly against good teams. Last year against 4 ranked teams his completion % was 34%, 44%, 35%, and 43%. He had 7 games under 55%. I don't know why people think he's accurate unless you focus on games against cupcakes.

QBs play worse against good defenses. The best QBs to play Nebraska last year were probably Landry Jones, Colt McCoy, Gabbert, and Nick Foles. They all had horrible games. Jones had 0 TDs and 5 INTs. Colt had O TDs and 3 INTs. Gabbert was 0-2. Foles only had one INT, but he also only had 50 passing yards.

I'm afraid billay is setting up Nebraska for failure next weekend at Wazzou.

If you were playing Wazzou, it would be a guaranteed win. But it's UW, so we'll see. :D

To get back to the Gabbert/Mallett thing for a moment, at present, I don't think the two are very comparable, beyond physical size.

The former has demonstrated far more polish. And anyone who saw last week's game should know this. It was simply an outstanding performance, and Gabbert made numerous throws that an average (at best) NFL QB could only dream of. Huh, I think I know someone who fits this description...

They will when Utah gets there. Can't speak for the rest of the shitty teams in that overrated conference though.

Personally, I think Utah screwed up by leaving and deconstructing what could have been a new football powerhouse conference with them, BYU, TCU and Boise State in the Mountain West. It does go to show that it's all about them dollar bills.

Gabbert has as high a ceiling as any QB in the draft and probably higher.

He has a cannon for an arm and ideal NFL size. He's very athletic and extremely mobile for someone his size. Further, despite being injured last year, I think he'll prove extremely durable due to his size/athleticism. Look at the hit that Suh laid on him - lesser QBs are out for the season on that hit and Gabbert didn't miss a drive. His strength and flexibility are the only things that kept his leg from breaking or bursting on that hit.

He does have his warts, though. Yes, he was better in the 2nd half of last week's game, but his weakness both in the first half and most of last season was pocket awareness. He does get skittish in the pocket and there's just no dancing around it. He's also not as decisive back there as I'd like to see. Daniel knew what he wanted to do and had no qualms acting as the triggerman. Gabbert doesn't have that kind of confidence in himself. Finally, he is a pure spread QB. I thought Bradford was a great pick because he was in a hybrid spread and possessed uncanny accuracy. Gabbert isn't in a hybrid and his accuracy isn't to Bradford's level. As such, I think Gabbert will have a very steep learning curve ahead of him.

But I'd still take him in a heartbeat. If he's coached up well, he has the potential to be a truly elite, franchise level QB. He has a skill-set unrivaled among the current crop of QBs. Will he be able to translate it to the NFL? Hard to say, but damn I'd like to find out.

Good for his college stats, but they way he actually played wont work in the NFL, like I've said several times. Dumbass.

Until one of them wears a Chiefs uniform.

We're simply not going to find common ground about Gabbert's pocket awareness. This aside, I also don't agree with the notion that he's a "pure spread QB." Coming out of high school, he was the #1 pro-style QB in the country.

Yeah, yeah, I realize HS was a long time ago. But, ****, apparently it's a viable benchmark at 1 Arrowhead.

Like almost all n00bs, I think Gabbert would profit greatly from spending at least 1/2 of a season learning behind a competent veteran, but I think he'll make the transition well.

Funny thing happened on my attempt to watch Christian Ponder today:

I fell in awe of Landry Jones!

DID YOU **** HIM???? DID YOU??? DID YOU???

Dude looked like complete shit in today's game. Complete ****ing garbage.

I'm going to keep following his progress, but, based on everything I've seen to this point, I would not advocate drafting this kid in the first round; he is not an NFL QB.

this!

Yeah, congrats to those corn-sucking bundle of stickss on the win.:evil: