This. Even though I don't always agree with Petro, I'll listen to him over that clown any day.
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He's the slovenly looking guy with the beard, right? Why do people like that get jobs in media? Whenever they put him on, I head to the fridge or the kitchen. He's got no knowledge or appreciation of football outside Pittsburgh, and yet somehow has the impression that he's the greatest football expert ever. Stupid is bad enough, but stupid and arrogant is inexcusable.

Great point!

affirmative.
..and 100% agree.

PARENTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO ABORT THEIR CHILDREN UP TO 3 YEARS OF AGE!

IF YOU DISAGREE, CALL ME NOW! THE LINES ARE OPEN!

:LOL:

Petro is a True Fan, but the point he was trying to make was a bit more nuanced than most in this thread are giving him credit for.

He wasn't being nuanced at all. He was bitching. It was hilarious. He sounded like a toddler throwing a tantrum.

Should we have signed Mike Vick and what do you think of steroids in baseball? Give us a call!

Moping up cat piss?

Seems like the KC media all have axes to grind - petro, wright, Whitlock... Wonder why?

So he is pouting around where the cat pee's? Wow, things are really bad for Don's fortunes.

It is still way too early to be calling him a bust.

He didn't want to draft a safety, so there's no question that some of what you're saying is right. But he was also making an implicit comparison to the Tyson Jackson hate, which is somewhat fair, and this is what I was alluding to in my first post in this thread.

How is that somewhat fair? Did we see anything in Jackson's play all last season that indicated he would grow into a force? No, and especially not in the first two games he played.

Have we seen anything in Berry's play that indicates he will grow into a force? Absolutely. Yes.

Two games is not a large enough sample size, and I do think that it's far more reasonable to expect earlier results from a DB than a D-lineman.

The college careers (and perceived levels of talent) are unquestionably directing these discussions more than the play on the field through 2 games of their careers.

The guy may have had a rough couple of games but to call him a bust already is a joke.

Just wait until he faces Peyton and schaub in consecutive weeks, yikes

As others have pointed out, however, he was taking the comparison 180 degrees in the wrong direction. We should have handled Jackson's development they way we're handling Berry's, not treat Barry like Jackson.

I thought it was a poor selection from a pre-draft standpoint (talking about Jackson), but that's a completely separate issue from looking at his development post-draft. I think that's something a lot of people have real trouble with, separating draft discussion (which is essentially meaningless once the picks have been made) from actual NFL performance.

I agree with this, but I think the 180 difference was to use the absurd to highlight the overreactions to Jackson. This could be giving Petro too much credit. Maybe not, though.

C'mon. The guy made a tackle behind the line of scrimmage. A shoulder tackle at that. BFD. He's also given up two touchdowns on blown coverage. If that would have been McGraw, this place would be all over his nuts.

He's a rookie. He should get some time to adjust. However, if he keeps blowing coverage plays, he's not Ed Reed, he's Laron Landry.

To this point, including the preseason, he's being outplayed by Kendrick Lewis, who has been very solid on pass plays.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Jackson's best pro start was his 17th, after a full season starting and his first full professional offseason. Hopefully he starts the 2011 season with an equivalent boost.

I think Dorsey is a perfect example of the development curve for a DL, although he's obviously been impacted by his chronic injury issue and the change in scheme and coordinator.There's some synchronicity, that's the point I was just trying to make, although I struggled with trying to verbalize it.

Great post. Where we go wrong is rooting against players when their failure would prove us right about our pre-draft ideas and give us another chip or two or Internet capital (or so we think).

I think in this case it's giving Petro too much credit. He was painting Jackson and Dorsey both in the same light as Berry early in his rant, before he really got going. How we can't keep missing on top-5 picks, that one of these guys has to be Willis.

Either way, it's just nuts what he was saying about Berry. Obviously he was exaggerating out the wazoo, but all that does is hurt an already weak point. There's nothing sensible about portraying his play through the first two weeks as completely incompetent, like he's being burned on every snap.

Definitely not.

All I'm seeing is Russel Okung.

Soooo we have a 2-0 football team for the first time in years which a great opportunity to be 3-0 going into their bye week yet all that moron can do is bury a guy who's played TWO games in his professional career?

JFC. :facepalm:

I'm thinking Soren should stick to pimping Hardees and picking fights with Nick Wright.

Kevin Keitzman plans to keep the conversation going with some Smoke N Fire talk and FedEx Cup analysis.

I am not sure whats going on with Petro. I typically like him, but lately he has been getting on my last nerve. Yesterday he was saying we should have taken Andre Smith or Monroe two drafts ago and I think this he was pimping Okung as the must have draft pick. He never wanted to take Berry that high and said all along that we would be taking Okung.

Well, that didn't happen so it sounds like he is reaching a bit to say "I told you not to take a saftey at 5"

This morning he was saying we should've drafted Joe Staley instead of Bowe, and how that would now give us Staley at right tackle and Albert at left tackle, or vice versa.

I had to grab my own wrist to keep from shooting myself in the head.

He has "Extremely Small Phallus" syndrome better known as ESP. It's not his fault...

no shit- I am in Houston this week. Several of my co-workers have come up to and thanked me for the Chiefs getting rid of him.. I was @House of Blues last night and Pollard was doing his show from there. I should have gone in and told him he was an ass for taking out Brady which made MC attractive to the KC brass.
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Petro is a baseball guy. He loves stats and numbers. He uses them to judge everything, it's just that football isn't as reliant on numbers as baseball.

Are we judging Berry on basically two plays? I saw him make some really good plays and I saw him overreact to a few. I think he's a special talent that will have a moment when it clicks.

If you don't think Berry is a big reason why they're 9th in the league in both rushing YPG and rush YPC, you just aren't paying attention. Or you're an idiot. Maybe both. Whatever.

I'd actually attribute the jump in our run defense to having Belcher and Johnson as our starting MLB/ILB versus Mays/Williams last season. Both have been very solid against the run in the first two games.

Also having a guy who can coach/call a 3-4 defense in Crennel helps a ton too.

Berry has played well against the run though.

He may or may not be a bust, but I honestly believe that taking a S that high was a mistake. Ok, so if he turns out to be Ed Reed Jr. I will be wrong. But if he turns out to be just a good (not great) safety, then we would've been better off going any number of other directions. It sucks seeing him get burned so badly in the pass game, I hope it is just 'rookie mistakes' like everyone says...It is way to early to say he is a bust IMO but I was not and am not over joyed with the pick (yet!).

He's ****ing stupid.

This moron was calling for Haley & Weis to be fired last Sunday during the Game Chat.

He's an oxygen thief.

Are you serious?

Jackson was a two down player that statistically ranked last among all defensive ends in the NFL. He can't rush the passer and he was horrible in the run game.

Eric Berry has been phenomenal in run support but his passing play recognition is just a bit slow. He'll often freeze for a half a second or so, trying to figure out what's happening and by then, it's too late.

It's all totally correctable and expected to happen a rookie, especially a rookie that came out as a JUNIOR, starting in the NFL.

HUGE difference between Berry's "struggles" and Jackson's incompetence.

He always watched his games in college to correct mistakes, he will do the same as a Chief. He will be fine. He is doing fine as is minus a few things.

Really? That stupid ****stick is REALLY saying that shit? No, no, no; no True Fan there! No, none at all.

**** him. Seriously.

It's funny because we obviously don't need O-line help. We've allowed 2 sacks in 2 games, and 1 of them was because Cassel didn't get rid of the ball on time. Therefore the O-line has only been responsible for allowing 1 sack so far. The fact is, Albert is a good LT, and the rest of our O-line is solid. Richardson is a major upgrade over O'Callaghan.

And eating Fun House Pizza whilst guzzling anti-freeze laced "Pink Sauce".

**** him. Seriously.

Soren Petro is HHH?

Speaking of him, apparently he's got an office job now, so he can bury people officially.

Hubert H. Humphry?

Weigmann and Lilja are solid. Waters is acceptable. The tackles are not good, and to say that Richardson is a "major upgrade" over anyone is incorrect. He's been borderline bad for the first two games. Albert is not good. I suggest you tape the games and rewatch them and focus on the offensive line. His footwork is terrible and over-extends on nearly every block.

They've been running Jones almost exclusively behind Weigmann and Lilja. Charles and McCluster are getting stuffed on the outside because our tackles can't block for shit. They can't re-route anyone and can't deal with multiple defenders. That's a fact.

Although, Moeaki has been impressive in his blocking. I don't know if it's because Pope may be the worst blocking TE in the history of the NFL, but at least Moeaki appears to be able to seal his guy off and hold his blocks.

Because the knocks on Tyson Jackson were that he couldn't play at the pro level. He physically wasn't gifted enough. Whereas the knocks on Berry are all mental lapses. Things that CAN be fixed. Physically, he plays the position like a stud. Mentally, he still needs a little work. To be expected making the switch to playing against more complicated NFL offenses.

Getting burned is not the same as missing your assignment altogether. Getting burned is when you know your assignment but either you can't make your turn fluidly enough or are too slow to stick with the receiver physically, or a combination of both. That hasn't happened with Berry yet. Missing your assignment is correctable, not being physically gifted enough is not.

Berry didn't get burned.

****...Berry to ST and scout team duty now.

Petro is a Draftabulator?

:LOL:

You are so far off on your assessment of Albert and Richardson, that you have lost all credibility when giving an opinion on any other position/player. We all understand you wanted Okung. Get over it.

Pass that along to Petro.. He was being a complete tard this am....

Have to start with credibility to lose credibility.

[QUOTE=Chiefnj2;7025359]No, I'm not. The drafturbators would rather burn their eyes out with a hot spoon than draft an offensive lineman, so they formulate this falsehood that Richardson, O'Murphy and Albert are actually quality NFL tackles. They aren't. I dare you to objectively watch replay's of the past two games and all four pre-season games and tell me that they have the skills to effectively play the position at even 50% of the top two at their position.

I double dog dare you.

I was over it the moment we drafted Berry. And I had no problem with the team drafting Berry. We needed a safety. Although, I think we could have picked a quality one later in the draft (Morgan Burnett was the guy I wanted with the Chiefs second or third round pick, and he's now staring for the Packers.). And me wanting Okung in the draft has nothing to do with the actual on-field play of Richardson and Albert.

Just because you, along with the handful of Drafturbators, refuse to accept a LT as a viable first round selection when we've already got one on the team, regardless of his effectiveness at that position, doesn't mean that I'm fixated on a particular player. I'm not. However, I do understand the importance of the LT position and feel that the Chiefs had the chance to address the problems that the team has at that position in the past two drafts.

However, I don't think Pioli has any desire to draft offensive linemen and thinks that they can be coached up to perform at a decent level. So, you and your merry little band of "draft a playmaker" guys can all be happy that that is exactly what the Scott Pioli led Chiefs will do and instead rely on mediocre free agent acquisitions to fill our perceived holes on the offensive line.

The Chiefs have given up 2 sacks in 2 games. The sack that Cleveland got was 100% on Cassel. 1 sack in 2 games does not place either tackle "at even 50% of the top two at their position." The team is also 5th in the league in rushing (yards per game) 9th in yards per attempt. That's a great stat considering how bad the passing game is.

I've taken your double dog dare, shoved it down your throat and now it's your turn to stick your clit to a frozen light pole.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

This is Petro trying to justify that he was right in saying we shouldn't take a safety that high, that's all this is about.

IIRC, the sack against SD was 100% on Cassel as well.

Richardson pushed the pass rusher behind the pocket, and instead of stepping up, Cassel held on to the ball and was sacked.

Well then, I guess Charlie's focus on getting the ball out of Cassel's hands due to the lack of talent that we have at the tackle position is paying off, because it sure isn't due to the skills of our substandard right and left tackles.

As far as the run game goes, of course it is going to be up there because our passing offense is so horrific. In fact, despite having the 5th rated run offense, our overall offense stands at 30th. That's the big 3 - 0. It's not a "great stat considering how bad the passing game is." It's because the passing game is so bad. (And you can thank Weigmann and Lilja for basically allowing the Chiefs to gain that much, because if Niswanger was in there, our run games stats would mirror those of the passing game.)

We are 30th in the league in passing attempts. We are 32nd in the league in completions. We aren't giving up sacks because we aren't passing the ball. And on those rare occasions that we do pass the ball, those passes are quick 5 yard checkdowns. The reason that Matt Cassel hasn't been sacked isn't because we have this ultra-new, super duper, amazing offensive line. It's because they are getting the ball out as fast as humanly possible so our completely ineffectual tackles don't get freight trained on every single passing down.

It's because of shitty tackle play that we have the second to worst yard per pass in the NFL, surpassed only by the horrible Fluffalo Bills who actually do have a worse offensive line.

So, now I triple dog dare you to actually go back and watch the tackle play in the preseason and first two regular season games and tell me if they are actually even mediocre.

Nice talk sugar lips. Do you kiss your Mom with that mouth?

That's what it seems to me. Like that kind of thing doesn't happen around here 417 times a day.

And he's most likely correct anyway.

IIRC the sack against SD was one where Philips hit Cassel without being blocked. Milkman and I were trying to figure out whether it was Richardson or Pope on the whiff, I don't remember if we ever came to a conclusion. Either way, if memory serves, it wasn't one where he held the ball. He was drilled right after the snap.

Well, Pollard did win the game for the Texans with a blocked field goal Sunday.

I would have to argue that. Cassel had more time to throw against Cleveland than I can ever remember seeing.

Man, I wish you guys wouldn't quote that moron, it renders my ignore useless.

Fixed.

True. Thank you.

Admit it: You masturbate in the morning while thinking of Russell Okung and in the evening, Zane Beadles.

:shake:

Sacc is going to furiously masturbate this Sunday when San Fran comes in here with it's 3 first round linemen and I believe their other 2 are 2nd rounders...all to protect their shitty QB.

His dream come true!

I've seen mult plays this season when the Oline literally gives Cassel 5 sec or so to get rid of the ball, and he still doesn't get rid of it, only to take the sack or throw a shitty god damn pass.

The Oline is playing very well this season, this isn't even an issue.

Even in New England, with Welker and Moss plus a very good pass protecting Oline, was STILL the most sacked QB in the NFL.

The guy holds onto the ball to ****ing long. He doesn't throw to his WR's before breaking into their route. He waits til the WR is wide open with enough seperation where he feels he won't throw a god damn interception. Remember he hasn't had very much PT since his HS days.

We'd have most likely been a lot better off for the long run with those two guys versus Berry and McCluster.

Berry has cost us two touchdowns and McCluster, for all his speed and versatility, has 2 receptions for 9 yards and two runs for a grand total of 3 yards. Sure, the special teams TD was nice, but we would have had that earlier if Studebaker had decided to pull his head out of his ass on Arenas' run. McCluster is starting to parallel Kris Wilson as our super secret offensive weapon.

Could have picked up Morgan Burnett in the third, and bingo!, quality LT, quality RT, starting safety, etc.

Great job talking about the long-run there.

Pollard got beat like a drum in pass coverage last year as well.

LOL, it's week 3. They're rookies.

Ignore him. His obsession with Okung and hatred of Albert is frightening.

If they took Monroe or Oher in '09 instead of Jackson, the Okung thing would have been a non-issue as it relates to my perception of the 2010 draft. In fact, prior to the draft, Albert himself said he would have had no problem in sliding over so Monroe could play at LT. (IIRC)

Now, when they have a chance at potentially drafting a legitimate QBOTF in the next year or two, he's forced to play behind a substandard line, especially when you consider that Waters and Weigmann have one, possibly two years left at most.

You really want to put a potential QBOTF behind a line anchored by Albert and Richardson and who knows what two stiffs at LG and C? I'm simply looking at this from a long term perspective. I know that's a real stretch for most people around here though...

Except for the fact that Monroe sucked ass last year.

Bullshit.

Finding a starting center will be easy. And replacing Waters, who's play has dropped off considerably each year won't be difficult, either. As a matter of fact, Lilja could take over now. Asamoah at right guard. Done.

Absolutely.

Have you looked around the league and watched teams with good QB's play? Do you think that Brees or Rodgers or Peyton Manning or Schaub or any other number of "Franchise QB's" are playing behind an offensive line that's better than the current Chiefs?

If so, you're unbelievably wrong.

The offensive line has not been a weakness whatsoever. He must smoke some good shit before every game...that or his head is so far up Okung's ass, he gets high from that.

If he wants to go into a big thing about how we should have taken the Jets trade up offer and drafted Oher, I'll listen to that one, that one makes sense.

This is Chiefs Planet. We declare this draft and next years drafts as failures.

I remember Dale Carter in his early years. He would make a mistake and then come back and make a big play. Rookie DB's are going to make mistakes in the passing game. That is how it is. The important thing is tha the learns. And he probably won't learn overnight either.

Petro was the ultimate Carl ballwasher. Pioli won't give him the time of day so he criticizes everything the team does. Wright's show is much better.