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KCrockaholic 10-01-2010 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7053096)
I am a huge Peyton Manning fan.

He's the closest thing to Michael Jordan I've ever seen.

He's the best football player I've ever watched.

He's absolutely amazing and the things he does are unbelievable...

And this is a QB driven league...and other than that rough stretch they had (before rattling off like 9 straight) in 2008 (when Lucas Field opened up)...they don't lose at home.

and yet suddenly people are giving us a 60% shot of victory?!

What?

WHAT?

Heh. Not me. I'm give us a 20% chance to win.

But the match-ups are there, and our defense is better this year than it has been in a decade. This is going to be closer than 14 points. I'm thinking something closer to 27-24 as the final score. With that said, if we come that close to winning against them I will be very happy.

KCrockaholic 10-01-2010 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7053100)
I think we need to start using more 4 receiver sets with Charles and McCluster both in the game...pick your poison with those two and try to get one open in space.

Seriously...I wouldn't be opposed one bit to the Chiefs using Charles more like the Saints use Bush...except with more carries of course...but shit...no reason why TJ and JC can't be in the game at the same time...even McCluster, too.

So many options with these dynamic playmakers...

I love the draw play where we have Jones as the HB, Charles and McCluster in the slot and they begin the play as if it's a bubble screen, then Jones has a huge hole up the middle of the field. That play is MONEY.

Hootie 10-01-2010 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7053099)
OK then.

We win, I own your avatar or sig rights for a month...whichever you choose.

We lose and you own my sig or avatar for two weeks (given the perceived difference in the teams and how Indy is an overwhelming favorite in the game)

If we go over 140 yards, you cant talk about Peyton Manning till January

If we dont, I cant talk about Moeaki till January.

That sound fair?

Axe the Manning part because I can't reasonably go that long without talking about him ROFL and you have a deal.

I just hope people don't get some notion that I'm rooting for the Colts...because I am absolutely not going to do so. Not one bit.

Guys...

I live in Champaign, IL...

Every day for the last week (during the day) I have walked up and down campus with a Chiefs shirt on...every Wednesday at my bowling league I sport a Chiefs shirt or jersey...

I love the Chiefs. More than anything...even my girlfriend knows where she stands...

but I'm going to be realistic about this game in Indy.

Hootie 10-01-2010 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 7053104)
I love the draw play where we have Jones as the HB, Charles and McCluster in the slot and they begin the play as if it's a bubble screen, then Jones has a huge hole up the middle of the field. That play is MONEY.

we don't seem to be good enough to get the ball to Bowe/Chambers anyways...so why not feature Charles/McCluster/TJ on the field more often...

But like I said...

all the options...we're turning into a "pick your poison" nightmare for opposing DCs...

BossChief 10-01-2010 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7053095)
I hate betting against the Chiefs because I know like hell I'll be rooting for them 100%...

I hope they do win. I would lose all of my fantasy games and get punched in the face in exchange for a Chiefs win @ Indy...

That would be the happiest moment of the freaking year for me...easily.

I will eat an AIDS infested crow if it were to happen.

But it won't.

We aren't good enough to beat those guys on their turf yet...

Dude, in 2007 (when we were a god awful team as a whole) in Croyles first NFL start and Herm as coach...we lost by 3 points to Indy at Indy in a game we missed three field goals.

This team is far better at damn near every single position from then and I would have to say that with the exception of PM, the Colts aren't any better at almost any position over their 2007 team.

I think you are underestimating our chances in this game.

BossChief 10-01-2010 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7053105)
Axe the Manning part because I can't reasonably go that long without talking about him ROFL and you have a deal.

I just hope people don't get some notion that I'm rooting for the Colts...because I am absolutely not going to do so. Not one bit.

Guys...

I live in Champaign, IL...

Every day for the last week (during the day) I have walked up and down campus with a Chiefs shirt on...every Wednesday at my bowling league I sport a Chiefs shirt or jersey...

I love the Chiefs. More than anything...even my girlfriend knows where she stands...

but I'm going to be realistic about this game in Indy.

we meet in the middle and drop the month to December 1st and we have a "e-shake" on the bet.

At least it will add something fun to the outcome...deal?

KCrockaholic 10-01-2010 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7053109)
Dude, in 2007 (when we were a god awful team as a whole) in Croyles first NFL start and Herm as coach...we lost by 3 points to Indy at Indy in a game we missed three field goals.

This team is far better at damn near every single position from then and I would have to say that with the exception of PM, the Colts aren't any better at almost any position over their 2007 team.

I think you are underestimating our chances in this game.

Bob Sanders was the DMVP of that year I believe. And although I think Bullitt is awesome, he isn't as good as Sanders when he's not injured.

Hootie 10-01-2010 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7053109)
Dude, in 2007 (when we were a god awful team as a whole) in Croyles first NFL start and Herm as coach...we lost by 3 points to Indy at Indy in a game we missed three field goals.

This team is far better at damn near every single position from then and I would have to say that with the exception of PM, the Colts aren't any better at almost any position over their 2007 team.

I think you are underestimating our chances in this game.

I think you're comparing apples to oranges here...the teams you are comparing have absolutely NO SIMILARITIES...

but hey...

bet is done...

and when I win I probably won't even tough your sig or avatar...because I don't care...but you're trying to act like I never "stand by my claims" which is total bullshit.

BossChief 10-01-2010 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 7053115)
Bob Sanders was the DMVP of that year I believe. And although I think Bullitt is awesome, he isn't as good as Sanders when he's not injured.

hence the "damn near every position" in my post.

Hootie 10-01-2010 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7053114)
we meet in the middle and drop the month to December 1st and we have a "e-shake" on the bet.

At least it will add something fun to the outcome...deal?

Dude...

It's pretty easy to stop talking about a rookie TE...

Peyton Manning is brought up more on this Chiefs board than Tony Moeaki...

I'm not going to stop talking about Peyton Manning...that is just setting me up for something that isn't going to happen.

Hootie 10-01-2010 12:35 AM

and Boss...

I was just starting to gain respect for you and now you think KC is going to go into Indy and win?

Wow...

I just...wow...can't fathom that level of homerism.

That's KnowMo esque.

Hootie 10-01-2010 12:37 AM

seriously...

comparing a 2007 Herm led Chiefs game @ Indy to a 2010 Chiefs game @ Indy is one of the dumbest comparisons I've ever heard.

BossChief 10-01-2010 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7053116)
I think you're comparing apples to oranges here...the teams you are comparing have absolutely NO SIMILARITIES...

but hey...

bet is done...

and when I win I probably won't even tough your sig or avatar...because I don't care...but you're trying to act like I never "stand by my claims" which is total bullshit.

How are they not similar?

what do you mean by "tough your sig or avatar"?

Do me a favor, rep this post (neg or pos, I dont care...neg may be easier to find) so I can find it easily find it after the game, will ya?

should be fun.

BossChief 10-01-2010 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7053118)
Dude...

It's pretty easy to stop talking about a rookie TE...

Peyton Manning is brought up more on this Chiefs board than Tony Moeaki...

I'm not going to stop talking about Peyton Manning...that is just setting me up for something that isn't going to happen.

use the search function to see that Ipost about Moeaki (well before the draft) about as much as you post about PM...I think its a wash.
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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7053122)
seriously...

comparing a 2007 Herm led Chiefs game @ Indy to a 2010 Chiefs game @ Indy is one of the dumbest comparisons I've ever heard.

I think Indy hasnt changed much since then, while we have improved across the board at about every facet of the game since then is my point. I wasn't trying to say anything more. That should have been easy to grasp...

Hootie 10-01-2010 12:45 AM

the false hope our fan base has for this game is going to result in a meltdown on this site of epic proportions...

BossChief 10-01-2010 12:48 AM

I may have been the only realist on the board that predicted us to go 10-6 in our season prediction thread...after predicting 4-12 last year and only missing the previous year by one game while predicting 3-13 (albeit on another board cause I wasn't here quite yet).

I think we beat Indy, but lose the following week to Houston.

Thats how I see it, I think we match up quite well and have a real good chance at beating them with Romeo getting two weeks to prepare for PM and Charlie getting two weeks to plan how to attack them in a way that lets us succeed. I think When they sell out to stop our running game, Moeaki and DMC win their matchups and Cassel does enough not to lose the game for us.....which will open up the running game and allow us to keep their defense honest.

Ill be pissed if you dont choose my sig or avatar if you do win, though. That would be a slap in the face.

Hootie 10-01-2010 12:50 AM

alright we'll see...I'm cheering for you to win more than you can imagine.

BossChief 10-01-2010 12:54 AM

And to clarify...I predicted 8-8 if Cassel doesnt show up and 10-6 if he improves at a reasonable level throughout the year under Weis. Not great, just reasonable.

Look at the schedule, looks like I nailed that one...so far, anyway. Plenty of time for that to blow up in my face, I guess.

BossChief 10-01-2010 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7053135)
alright we'll see...I'm cheering for you to win more than you can imagine.

:clap:

Rasputin 10-01-2010 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7053119)
and Boss...

I was just starting to gain respect for you and now you think KC is going to go into Indy and win?

Wow...

I just...wow...can't fathom that level of homerism.

That's KnowMo esque.

I think we got a good chance of winning. We are playing good football rain or nice weather. The only thing that may hold us back, of course is Cassel. That & not sure how much Peytons going to pick on Carr cuz he would be foolish to throw to Flowers much. Our team is still capable of winning this game. This is not homerism, I have my doupts as well but we have the play makers and the right play calling system on both sides of the ball (dicapline on defense). This is not a shoe win for the Colts. Houston showed that the Colts are not indestructable.

beer bacon 10-01-2010 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7053131)
the false hope our fan base has for this game is going to result in a meltdown on this site of epic proportions...

You are fighting the good fighting proving that we have no chance!! Keep it up champ. Damn these fools and their optimism. Why can't they see that Indy is unstoppable? THe homers !!!!!

milkman 10-01-2010 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7053091)
Absolutely. I'm interested in any bet regarding this game.

I read a keys to the game article...

Here are the keys to a Chiefs win:

50% 3rd down conversions...

Win the turnover battle.

Win the T.O.P.

Matt Cassel has to have TWO touchdown passes...and complete 65% of his passes.

If we win, it will be behind the passing game...because the Colts are smart enough to not let us run on them.

Guys...

You keep saying..."Arian" who?!? WELL NO SHIT!

The Colts were prepped to stop MATT SCHAUB AND ANDRE JOHNSON...and as referenced now several times...they have played well against the run the last two weeks now...

To think we're just going to run all over them because we have the #1 rushing offense in the NFL is ludicrous...

We've all watched the games...what has been so impressive about the Chiefs ground game? TJ gets us consistent positive yards and puts us in 3rd and manageable every time...well we never manage to pick it up!

Jamaal has had one long ass TD run, one great 3rd down run, and then a bunch of garbage yards right before halftime in a few games...

and then we had the 4th quarter against a dejected 49ers team that we whooped up on!

I love our ground attack...but it isn't going to win us games this year by itself...no way, no how...Matt Cassel and Charlie Weis are going to have to win us games with creative playcalls like we did against San Fran...

If we can do that a few times against Indy, convert our 3rd downs, and get TWO lucky bounces...we might pull off a miracle.

yes...

A MIRACLE

The Giants ran the ball 20 times for 120 yards against the Colts, a 4.8 YPC average.

The problem is that even great running teams need to put the ball in the air at times, and when the Giants did go to the air, they couldn't keep Mathis and Freeny off of Eli Manning.

The Donkeys decided that they were going to shoot it out against the Colts, cause you know, Josh McDumbass is a McGenious(cps).

I don't think the Colts can stop the Chiefs from running the ball effectively, but like I said, even great running teams have to pass occassionally.

The questions then becomes, can Albert and Richardson contain Freeney and Mathis, and if so, can Cassel and the receivers make enough plays to move the chains?

I don't think the Chiefs win this game, but I think it will be a much better, and closer, game than I thought it would be before the season started.

milkman 10-01-2010 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7053096)
I am a huge Peyton Manning fan.

He's the closest thing to Michael Jordan I've ever seen.

He's the best football player I've ever watched.

He's absolutely amazing and the things he does are unbelievable...

And this is a QB driven league...and other than that rough stretch they had (before rattling off like 9 straight) in 2008 (when Lucas Field opened up)...they don't lose at home.

and yet suddenly people are giving us a 60% shot of victory?!

What?

WHAT?

The problem with this statement is that you aren't old enough to have a true perspective on things.

Is Peyton Manning a great QB?

Yes he is.

But the fact is, the NFL has adjusted and tweaked the rules so much in just the last 12 years that it has made defending a great QB so much more difficult than it was before.

The numbers that guys like Johnny Unitas, John Hadl (most underrarted QB ever), Dan Marino, Warren Moon, etc..etc.. would be ridiculous, and they would be every bit as indefensible as Manning is now.

It is no coincidense that even average QBs are putting up stupid numbers.

LOCOChief 10-01-2010 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 7052982)
Honestly Jones/Charles is better under center than Cassel :p

Honestly?

CupidStunt 10-01-2010 08:03 AM

2 points.

1) Could any of you actually contain the jizz if the Chiefs beat the Colts? I couldn't. Nor could most of the experts, I suspect. And knowing that they'll almost certainly make the playoffs just a month into the season is an unthinkable feeling.

2) 0.5% chance to run for 200 yards is a HORRIBLE number. First, the Colts had more than that dropped on them by Arian "just off the practice squad" Foster. Second, the Chiefs just ran for more than that on a FAR, FAR superior run defense. They're AVERGAGING something like 160ypg. Bottom line, if there's any game this year where you'd pick the Chiefs to do that, it's this game. Charles for 120 and Jones for 80 is NOT out of the question. The Colts are no match for KC's running game whatsoever. They'd have to get a BIG (21+ points) lead for KC not to do much running the ball.

FAX 10-01-2010 08:13 AM

I'm calling this one a win. My theory is thus:

1. 2 weeks to prepare. We will be rested and fresh.
2. Romeo will have an excellent game plan ready (he knows Manning very well).
3. Their run defense won't intimidate us. We will thud and scamper.
4. Our secondary will see this as an opportunity to end all doubt that they are for real.
5. It's a fast field. We have fast guys.
6. We have the special teams advantage.
7. Before the game, and in the locker room, Haley will guarantee that, if we lose, he will personally kill every player's family.

FAX

LOCOChief 10-01-2010 08:20 AM

1. yes refreshed
2. yes Romeo does know Manning
3. yes we can't be intimidated
4. yes up and coming secondary
5. yes we are fast
6. yes very encouraging ST play to date
7. ye.... wait wha? OMG

Bearcat 10-01-2010 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7053217)
The problem is that even great running teams need to put the ball in the air at times, and when the Giants did go to the air, they couldn't keep Mathis and Freeny off of Eli Manning.

The biggest difference in those games...

Houston vs Indy -- Houston was up 13-0 in the 2nd and 13-10 at halftime. They got the ball first in the 2nd half and went on an 8 minute, 15 play drive where they ran 13 times to go up 20-13.

NYG vs Indy -- Giants got off to an awful start, 24-0 at halftime.

Denver vs Indy -- Indy was up 13-0 in the 2nd quarter.

Keep it close in the first half... move the pocket, run some screens/draws/quick passes to get the ball in the hands of the play makers to slow down the rush... and don't play catch up in the 2nd half. Just that easy. ;)

Rasputin 10-01-2010 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7053131)
the false hope our fan base has for this game is going to result in a meltdown on this site of epic proportions...

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Bearcat 10-01-2010 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7053131)
the false hope our fan base has for this game is going to result in a meltdown on this site of epic proportions...

Eh, the expectation this year is to keep improving, and they've almost matched last year's win total. It would be cool if they made it to the playoffs, but it doesn't really matter. It would be cool if they could go 1-1 in the next two, but it doesn't really matter (unless they get completely destroyed in both, which would suck).

Why not have some hope? They're the underdog, and I'd think even those who think it's a toss-up know that... there shouldn't be any expectations going into this game, so sit back, smile and nod at those who say there's no chance, and if they lose.... oh well.

But, if they win... :hmmm:

FAX 10-01-2010 08:57 AM

It will be a physical game, that's for sure. A true test of Haley's progress toward building a tough team that brings it on every snap.

Manning's decapitated head will look real nice on Romeo's desk. Maybe put it in a light box or one of those neat acrylic showcase deals.

FAX

boogblaster 10-01-2010 09:03 AM

50-50 .. we b gona rundt da ball .....

Red Dawg 10-01-2010 09:16 AM

Run the hell out of the ball is a good plan. It's keeps the ball out of Mannings hands and Cassel's. If the ball is in either of thier hands it's bad for us.

RINGLEADER 10-01-2010 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LaChapelle (Post 7052881)
Jason Belzer rips off farts of elderberry in Arrowhead Addict's general direction


Holy Hand Grenade

FAX 10-01-2010 09:21 AM

We are a team of destiny. The Mannings are a team of douches.

Destiny trumps douche every time.

Except when you happen to score with the deformed, alcoholic tramp with the lazy eye and unmatched shoes.

FAX

RINGLEADER 10-01-2010 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 7053306)
The biggest difference in those games...

Houston vs Indy -- Houston was up 13-0 in the 2nd and 13-10 at halftime. They got the ball first in the 2nd half and went on an 8 minute, 15 play drive where they ran 13 times to go up 20-13.

NYG vs Indy -- Giants got off to an awful start, 24-0 at halftime.

Denver vs Indy -- Indy was up 13-0 in the 2nd quarter.

Keep it close in the first half... move the pocket, run some screens/draws/quick passes to get the ball in the hands of the play makers to slow down the rush... and don't play catch up in the 2nd half. Just that easy. ;)

If Manning gets happy feet = chances are 50-50.

If Manning has time in the pocket to pick us apart = chances are 10-90

Red Brooklyn 10-01-2010 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 7053387)
If the ball is in either of thier hands it's bad for us.

Exactly.

KC native 10-01-2010 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7053132)

I think we beat Indy, but lose the following week to Houston.

:cuss: That better not happen. My buddy and I are driving down to Houston for the game.

beach tribe 10-01-2010 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7053132)
I may have been the only realist on the board that predicted us to go 10-6 in our season prediction thread...after predicting 4-12 last year and only missing the previous year by one game while predicting 3-13 (albeit on another board cause I wasn't here quite yet).

I think we beat Indy, but lose the following week to Houston.

Thats how I see it, I think we match up quite well and have a real good chance at beating them with Romeo getting two weeks to prepare for PM and Charlie getting two weeks to plan how to attack them in a way that lets us succeed. I think When they sell out to stop our running game, Moeaki and DMC win their matchups and Cassel does enough not to lose the game for us.....which will open up the running game and allow us to keep their defense honest.

Ill be pissed if you dont choose my sig or avatar if you do win, though. That would be a slap in the face.

We actually have a damn good chance to beat the Colts. We're gonna run it right up their ass. All we need is a few stops, and there's not a DC in the game who has owned Peyton like Romeo has.
Hootie's a P Manning ball washer. Not that Peyton doesn't deserve it, but it's not as impossible as he's making it out to be.

And No Hootie, no one on this board is going to freak out if we lose on the road to the Colts. Pretty much everyone is expecting us to.


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