For those that havent seen Ponder play...Florida State is on ESPNU right now playing Miami.

Game just started.

When did Omaha become Canada?

My bad, I thought he went to canada for some reason.

Then bring the spread back

Croyle>Thigpen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Casshole

You got a problem with Canada, hoser?

I hope the 49'ers get sick of Alex Smith so we can pick him up for the following reasons:

1. I think he would be an upgrade over Cassell (who wouldn't?)

2. He should be cheap to sign (it seems everyone has gave up on him, so he shouldn't generate too much interest as a FA or cost to much in a trade)

3. He has a few years of starting experience (a rookie would likely take 3+ years to develop, and a free agent is more likely to make an immediate impact - consider Brees, Vick, Farve, McNabb, & Shaub)

4. He is still young enough to still be in the league in 10 years

A change of scenery might do Smith some good, and I think he would succeed under coaches like Haley and Weis.

nope. but neb. sucks. :D

I will punch you.

:bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:

Alex Smith sucks as bad as Cassel

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/7718/keepposting.jpg

LMFAO

Hey hey, an ex 49er castoff. We can relive the 90s with our defense and running game.

If Luck declares he's probably gone when we pick. I predict we draft Mallett, Ponder, or Foles in the first (depending on where we pick),

OR

Ricky Stanzi of Iowa in the 3rd.

The Ferentz/pioli connection makes this scenario plausible. Stanzi may have to be brought up fairly slowly, qualities in him that I like. Yes he makes bonehead plays some times which can be coached out of him, but he seems to have a short memory regarding them and recovers to bring his team back.
That's a good sign of a leader.

how else do .you make the playoffs when your QB blows bags of dicks. Are teams less of champions becsuse of how they won

I do. I don't know enough about Baldwin, admittedly, but he seems to be more of a big physicak WR. I'm wishing for a WR with separation spped.

I was on that ship two years ago. But I think it has sailed.

In the game and a half that I have seen Ponder this year, he was the TOTAL OPPOSITE of ALL that.

This post would be really smart,... IF WE WERE OAKLAND RAIDERS!!!

:facepalm:

Not having a top 15 pick thing is way too early to determine. Remember Denver last year. They are actually better this year, but won like crazy out of the gate, then faded to oblivion. He will have competition next year.

Really?


Cassel has completed 16 or less completions in every game this season, and his highest completion percentage in a game this year is 59.3%.

Smith has completed 21 or more completions in every game this season, and his highest completion percentage in a game this year is 71.9%.

I think we could have used an extra 5 completions today, especially on the 4th and 2 today where Matt Castoff chose to throw to the guy triple covered 20 yards down field instead of throwing to the wide open running back standing 6 feet in front of him.

It looks to me like Cassel is the only one who sucks as bad as Cassel.

you may want to re-think that

Perhaps you missed the 90's? But we've exceeded our number of San Francisco Reclamation projects in that decade, Thanks but no thanks.

Making the POs is NOT the goal. I want the trophy. There is only 1 every season.

1. Wouldn't take much
2. They just paid cassell an assload of cash, I don't think they'd balk at a good prospect over cash, although I don't think AS is the answer

3. This is where I disagree, the formula for having a young qb and have success is to not have him put into positions as to where he's got to win the game. Basically what is being down with casell. Difference is we need a live arm. Cassell has not that.

4. age don't matter, maybe we can get Trent Green back

Don't throw to the wide open RB in the flat. Throw to the wide open TE in the back of the endzone who never drops the ball.

Yes plz

I'm only gonna talk about guys I think we have a chance to get and I know a bit about. Also, don't care for Mallet, or Locker. Don't know much about Ponder.

Stanzi can read a defense, and has a good arm. He tends to start slow and has made bad decisions, but has kept those to a minimum this season. He wouldn't be a bad option in the mid rounds.

Foles, after the way he played Iowa, would be a good option also. Took control of that game like I saw Flacco do a few times in college. Foles is cool in the pocket, and accurate as hell. Picked apart a good Iowa D. He'd be worth a look.

Kolb/Vick. Whatever happens there. If Kolb is available, for cheap, he is a decent option. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves. He's not a stud, but could operate a good offense. Played well against the Niners tonight.

Vick, I don't think you guys have considered that Vick has no allegiance to the Iggles, and might just look for a nice contract this offseason. A team on the rise like the Chiefs could be a good landing spot if he chooses to test FA this offseason. Doesn't hurt that he claims the entire time he was locked up, he envisioned himself as the QB of the Chiefs. Get a #1 receiver in here, and he could lead this team.

Alex Smith is a no for me. While he's shown some real promise at times, he's just not going to get it. 6 TD's to 9 INT's this season. Couple that with his past, and his name has a strike through it.

Maybe a Tony Romo becomes available?

Don't even get me started on the whole Vick delio. I have been screaming for us to pick him up ever since he became available for almost nothing.

To make matters worse there are people on this BB who will admit that we could have picked him up for nothing and he may well have led this team this year deep into the playoffs but we would come up short. So they believe he isn't the answer and will cost us draft positioning so they don't want him. Seriously WTF is that?

Then again there's always the random pic of some dog justification.

Vick?! Uh, NO.

Hell no.

HELL NO.

First of all-he's a shitty human being. That's not even close to being a part of the 'right 53'.

Second-he's a public relations nightmare. He ran a ****ing dog fighting ring! I've been a Chiefs fan for thirty years, and I would renounce in a heartbeat if we signed that piece of shit.

and third-he has always, ALWAYS been so overrated it's ridiculous. Guy can't read a defense to save his life. He's Jamarcus Russell with wheels. Only Jamarcus might be SMARTER.

Hell no.

Or the fact that he can be shut down by a team that knows how to blitz him. He's not a good QB. He's a guy who can torch an average defense but doesn't read defenses well enough to beat the really good ones. He had a lot of success in the NFC because the Falcons never played anyone. I don't understand why so many people here are high on Vick.

If there's a veteran QB that we completely missed out on, it's McNabb. He's 100 times the QB Vick is.

Thanks for proving my point.

I would rather Kevin Kolb than Vick. I don't think he's nearly as bad as he's criticized for being. If you give him protection, he can be dangerous. He doesn't get that consistently in Philly. Their o-line is complete garbage.

McNabb is up one day and throwing INT's the next. Somebody with a decent team is going to give Vick a chance and he is going to do some pretty awesome stuff. Mark my words, you will see Vick going deep in the playoffs with some team soon.

Vick you can pick up for a hope and a prayer. What was the contract Kolb just signed?

whatever. Not going to happen.

Well we agree on that. ROFL

Mark my words, a team that can blitz and get into the backfield is going to neutralize Vick every single time. As can a team that can contain him and throw a lot of different looks at the same time. He's a great runner, but he's not a very good QB. McNabb has a lot more of the tools to be successful in the playoffs.

If you want a QB of the Future, it doesn't matter what price you pay in terms of money. As long as the Chiefs get him for a reasonable pick, that's the move I'd much rather make.

I would rather have Ricki Stanzi over Cassel, but that sure doesnt mean I want us to draft him as our QBOTF.

If the guy fell to the fourth or fifth round, Id be ok with him as a developmental backup guy, but thats it.

He stares down his target
He makes poor decisions
He just throws it up too often

But, yeah...Id rather have him on the field over Cassel because at least he tries to push the ball up the field.

He has the size, arm strength and experience in the pro set that we might be looking for. He also has lead his team to a few bowl wins and has a damn good win loss record and is a senior....all things on the Parcells list for what "the Tree" looks for in quarterbacks drafted high...so uh oh.

It absolutely is not safe to say this IMO.

They could easily have a top 15 pick still...

You can always move up to select the guy you want.

Behind both of them, there's a QB, Kafka, who I think has a lot of upside. I had him on my draft wish list for a later round pick up.

As I predicted earlier in this thread, he'll be ours in the 3rd, if we don't use a 1 on a QB.

Ricky Stanzi's completion percentage in college is atrocious. The guy has prototype size, but he's not, at this time, a viable NFL prospect as he just has no field awareness or pocket presence. That's not an upgrade to Cassel.

I have seen some people say that we would go out and get a free agent next year to replace Cassel and then draft a QB in the first round. Or something like that, so who would be available as free agents??

http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

Peyton Manning Indy
Tom Brady New England
Brett Favre Minn
Donovan McNabb Wash
Matt Moore Carolina
Kyle Orton Denver
Matt Hasselback Sea
Alex Smith SF
Troy Smith, BAL
Trent Edwards, BUF
JT O'Sullivan, CIN
Seneca Wallace, CLE
Shaun Hill, DET
Brodie Croyle, KC
Chad Pennington, MIA
Tyler Thigpen, MIA
Tarvaris Jackson, MIN
Jim Sorgi, NYG
Kellen Clemens, NYJ
Bruce Gradkowski, OAK
Michael Vick, PHI
Dennis Dixon, PIT
Billy Volek, SD
Kerry Collins, TEN
Chris Simms, TEN
Rex Grossman, WAS

A couple of notes from above. Obviously Manning and Brady arent going anywhere. I didnt know that Croyle was in the last year of his Contract. THIGPEN IS AVAILABLE!!!!

But on that list of free agents who is really going to be the stop gap for 1 or 2 years to get a rookie into shape? An Aging veteran that might help groom a new QB, well Collins, Mcabb or Hasselback would fit in that scenario. All 3 are older but would be a dramatic upgrade over Cassel. You certainly dont want a New QB fresh out of college learning the "stare the receiver down / chuck it into triple coverage" that Cassel is teaching.

I am VERY surprised by all of the Vick hate. Have any of you even watched him play this year? He looks like a GREAT QB. He has done EVERYTHING right, including the way he is playing the QB position. Pass first, run second.



On top of his fantastic stats of 61.5% completion percentage, 6TD's to 0INT's, and a 108 QB rating, he has run for 187yds. and a TD.At 7ypc, that's as good as Charles. Mind you, a lot of these were from the Wildcat and designed plays and not a result of him being run first. All of this if from behind the same TERRIBLE oline Kolb gets an excuse for sucking behind.

I can understand you saying you don't want him personally b/c you are a weird dog over-lover. I loves dogs and MY dog especially, but I'm don't cry about it, b/c there are worse things and that's the way the world works. Calling him a PR nightmare is reeruned though. Nobody in the media world even seems to remember what happened, and all have been giving him praise. Plus, he really seems to have learned something.

His sit down with Jim Mora was blatently honest and I walked away happy for Michael Vick. Good for him, how many people get the chance to turn their life around? How many people actually do it?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...nging-his-life

There's another part of it, but it seems to be unavailable...

Everyone deserves a second chance. Michael Vick is no different, and he's done it all the right way. Kept his head down, his mouth shut and sat behind Kolb. All the while preparing to be the starter like he never did in Atl and he chance came along, and he's run away with it. He is FAR from the player he was in Atl, he's a MUCH better QB.

Against what competition? The Lions and the Jaguars? Those teams can't stop anybody.

I like the new attitude, but at the end of the day, I don't trust him to consistently beat playoff defenses. You get a good defense that can blitz him and force him to stay in the pocket, and he becomes a very average QB--big arm, no accuracy.

I would take Vick at the drop of a hat. Expect someone to come along now and post some random pic of a dog.

In fairness he shredded Green Bay once he came in.

If I were Croyle I'd want as far away from this QB loser franchise as possible....

He did, but I think it's a lot different when your defense is gameplanning for Kolb and then get caught by surprise when Vick comes in.

Now, I could see Vick going places because the NFC is just so ****ing awful. But if you put him in KC, he's going to get trounced by the Jets, Steelers, Ravens, and probably even the Chiefs' defense.

He still gives you a better chance than Matt Cassel. The Chiefs are about to be in the worst position ever that we discussed before. They're going to have enough talent to be a 8-11 win team consistently which means we get stuck with this shithole QB.

Agreed, but my right ass cheek is better than Cassel too.

I want a QB that can legitimately bring the Chiefs to the Super Bowl. I see Vick as a regular season hero who can bring you to the playoffs, but then can't beat top-level competition.

If I'm looking for a veteran to replace Cassel, I want to either get a true franchise QB (fat chance) or a stopgap to take reps until we feel comfortable starting a first round draft pick. That's one reason I like Kevin Kolb. He's a guy you can test, but there wouldn't be a whole lot to lose if he's not that good and you have to cut him.

Anyone except Casshole

[QUOTE=chiefzilla1501;7080702]Someone like Rex Grossman?

This is the greatest take EVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I DO! I DO! I need to start watching that kid play.