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OnTheWarpath15 10-27-2010 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7124508)
Houston does get dragged into this, because even with the defense shitting the bed, Cassel had a chance to seal that win on a third and two pass play (which you seem to think was "cute", but the Chiefs had been stuffed on running plays in short yardage situations consistently all day), and he shit the bed.

Yep.

For all the shit the defense has gotten over that loss, no one wants to talk about the fact they were on the field for all but 55 seconds of the last 7 minutes of the game.

3 play, 8 yard drives consuming 55 seconds doesn't exactly help the defense.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-28-2010 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7124732)
Yep.

For all the shit the defense has gotten over that loss, no one wants to talk about the fact they were on the field for all but 55 seconds of the last 7 minutes of the game.

3 play, 8 yard drives consuming 55 seconds doesn't exactly help the defense.

Cassel had one throw...he blew it, sure, but it's not all that uncommon. He had been completing third downs all day and got poor protection on this particular play.

Brady and the Pats had 4 downs against the Chargers and almost blew the game. Rivers was in a situation where he needed just one more first down against the Raiders and lost the game. Your beloved Rodgers, at home against a rival in a huge game, couldn't hold the ball against the Vikings and was 1 foot away from blowing the game. And while these guys have "done it before", Cassel will get more opportunities now that he's on a team capable of winning.

Stop being so irrational. That game was on the D. Go ahead and label me a "ballwasher"---a label that shouldn't exist on cp--- but I've stated my opinion on Cassel numerous times and it's not a good one. This doesn't mean he shouldn't get some credit (and for more than just protecting the ball). I think his ceiling just may be a bit higher than I thought around week 2 or so.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-28-2010 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7124732)
Yep.

For all the shit the defense has gotten over that loss, no one wants to talk about the fact they were on the field for all but 55 seconds of the last 7 minutes of the game.3 play, 8 yard drives consuming 55 seconds doesn't exactly help the defense.

The Chiefs offense had scored on the previous 4 drives for 24 points. All they needed was one stop out of the D in the 4th to win that game, but go ahead and blame Cassel for the loss.

Pioli Zombie 10-28-2010 05:24 AM

Since I've given up on him Cassels play has improved. Therefore from now on I will continue to say "Cassel sucks". He'll probably make the Pro Bowl.

SAUTO 10-28-2010 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7124522)
The only game that I can remember Cassel making a play in a close game against a good team to put us in position to win was against Dallas last year when he threw that TD pass to Bowe to send the game to overtime.

Oh yeah, he shit the bed in overtime. Defense got him the ball on the 50 and Succop was absolute money from even beyond 50 last year meaning all he had to do was get us 15 yards or so.

:banghead:

pittsburgh

stevieray 10-28-2010 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7124839)
The Chiefs offense had scored on the previous 4 drives for 24 points. All they needed was one stop out of the D in the 4th to win that game, but go ahead and blame Cassel for the loss.

hey, resting while your offense puts up 25 first downs can wear your defense out.

BigRedChief 10-28-2010 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 7124889)
hey, resting while your offense puts up 25 first downs can wear your defense out.

ROFL

Marcellus 10-28-2010 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 7124833)
Cassel had one throw...he blew it, sure, but it's not all that uncommon. He had been completing third downs all day and got poor protection on this particular play.

Brady and the Pats had 4 downs against the Chargers and almost blew the game. Rivers was in a situation where he needed just one more first down against the Raiders and lost the game. Your beloved Rodgers, at home against a rival in a huge game, couldn't hold the ball against the Vikings and was 1 foot away from blowing the game. And while these guys have "done it before", Cassel will get more opportunities now that he's on a team capable of winning.

Stop being so irrational. That game was on the D. Go ahead and label me a "ballwasher"---a label that shouldn't exist on cp--- but I've stated my opinion on Cassel numerous times and it's not a good one. This doesn't mean he shouldn't get some credit (and for more than just protecting the ball). I think his ceiling just may be a bit higher than I thought around week 2 or so.

It's Ok if Rivers or Brady miss throws.

Brock 10-28-2010 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 7124833)
I think his ceiling just may be a bit higher than I thought around week 2 or so.

IMO, his ceiling is this. Which was what I thought it was.

Marcellus 10-28-2010 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7126044)
IMO, his ceiling is this. Which was what I thought it was.

You thought he could be the highest rated passer in the league for a 4 week span? Interesting, I was never that optimistic.

Brock 10-28-2010 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7126048)
You thought he could be the highest rated passer in the league for a 4 week span? Interesting, I was never that optimistic.

Sure, against some of the worst defenses in the league. Why not?

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-28-2010 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7126044)
IMO, his ceiling is this. Which was what I thought it was.

I still think he could be making more plays...he can't keep up this pace of mistake-free football. If this is his ceiling, he sucks. I've seen a few flashes that I like

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-28-2010 05:03 PM

Week 2 I didn't even think he could be a game manager.

Just Passin' By 10-28-2010 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7124389)
I don't give a rat's ass if we run the ball 60 times a game, I want to have confidence that the QB can make plays when it comes to him needing to make plays, and we haven't seen any evidence to suggest that he can do that.

I'm talking about late game situations when he needs to make a pass to win, or seal a win.




JFC, how many times does it have to be pointed out that the O-Line, as bad as it was, wasn't solely responsible for the number of sacks he took last year.

His sack numbers for 15 1/2 game for New England were higher than the sack numbers that Brady took the season before, and the season after, combined.

Cassel was every bit as responsible for the 45 sacks he suffered last year as the O-Line.

You keep trying to lay the blame for those sacks from last year on Cassel by citing to what happened in his first season as a stater. It's just not an accurate 1:1 comparison. The first half of that season, Cassel was sacked 28 times, with 233 passes attempted. The second half of that season, Cassel was sacked 17 times, with 283 passes attempted. Why the big difference? Cassel was learning the position, and Neal was out on PUP, leaving a very bad replacement at RG.

Brock 10-28-2010 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 7126062)
If this is his ceiling, he sucks.

Yes.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-28-2010 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7126072)
Yes.

I didn't expect this play from cassel...hopefully he surprises me once more by taking it to the next level

Marcellus 10-28-2010 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 7126079)
I didn't expect this play from cassel...hopefully he surprises me once more by taking it to the next level

Let me see if I understand this.

You admit you were wrong once therefore you COULD be wrong again in the future?

Holy shit, you can do that?

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-28-2010 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7126085)
Let me see if I understand this.

You admit you were wrong once therefore you COULD be wrong again in the future?

Holy shit, you can do that?

Heh. I must admit I've been pleased with Cassel's third down performance in the last two games. That said, Im not very optimistic about him

milkman 10-28-2010 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 7126071)
You keep trying to lay the blame for those sacks from last year on Cassel by citing to what happened in his first season as a stater. It's just not an accurate 1:1 comparison. The first half of that season, Cassel was sacked 28 times, with 233 passes attempted. The second half of that season, Cassel was sacked 17 times, with 283 passes attempted. Why the big difference? Cassel was learning the position, and Neal was out on PUP, leaving a very bad replacement at RG.

No, the difference was that Josh McDaniels put him a shotgun spread in the second half of the season for a much larger percentage of plays than he had run in the first half.

BigRedChief 10-29-2010 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 7126096)
Heh. I must admit I've been pleased with Cassel's third down performance in the last two games. That said, Im not very optimistic about him

True dat.:clap:

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-30-2010 01:55 AM

He's starting to show a little bit of a metamorphosis, but I'm not too optimistic about the ceiling for the end result.


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