You sure about that?

The reason some people thought the safety could have made a play on a longer throw is because when Bowe cut back, the safety moved up the field ahead of him.

I actually thought it was a decent throw live and then, going back and looking at it I thought...holy shit....way to underthrow Bowe by a mile. He had to come to a complete stop.

Both of Cassel's TD passes were shitty throws.

The one thing I will give credit to Cassel for is reading the defense well. He started out reading the left side of the field.

No, there isn't.

Like I said, Bowe cut back, and the safety moved ahead of him while the corner missed the first tackle.

Not absolutely.

I'd have to see the replay in it's entirety to be absolutely certain.

I could be wrong, but I remember the play going like this:

With the ball being underthrown, it gave the DB's an opportunity to make up ground. The safety actually passed up Bowe as he caught the ball, and was the player that Bowe juked to get into the EZ.

Like I said, I could be wrong.

http://i51.tinypic.com/4tttma.jpg

That's exactly what happened.

Bowe broke the corner's tackle and then stiff armed the safety and walked into the end zone.

Pretty amazing.

And there's no other safety, milkman. Cassel just blows.

I could be wrong as well, but in either case, I'm not going to critisize Cassel for the throw when it results in a 54 yard TD.

There's enough shit from Cassel to critisize already.

That 5000 yards is as dud. He should have had 6000.

I don't agree with that statement. However, I do believe that stats sometimes can be presented/manipulated to make things appear the way one wants things to appear. Or they only tell a part of the story. Right now, Cassel is playing well. But like you said, I question his ability to make plays when we need him to do that.

You aren't wrong. You can go to nfl.com and still watch the highlight. There was nobody between Bowe and the endzone.

HOWEVER, the reason the ball was thrown "short" (other than Cassel's limited arm-strength) is because he couldn't step up. Cassel got hit right around knee level as he releases the ball.

I overstate to make a point.

The fact is, what I really believe is that stats without context (watching) can be used to misrepresent things.

QB rating is a great example of this.

That is the one stat that I do believe is absolutely uselss.

Until Shannahan came along, John Elway's QB rating was pretty mediocre, and no one but a dumbass with an obsessive bias (I'm looking at you Rain man) would suggest that Elway was a mediocre QB.

Holy crap are the majority of the people in this thread defending Cassel or am I reading it wrong? This place is like the twilight zone today.

Do not pass go, do not collect $15 million.

Cassel stepped into this throw.

http://i54.tinypic.com/ct37m.jpg

You cut that gif off too short.

It appears, though, that he isn't able to completely follow through with his back foot on that throw, which will still affect his throw.

Well, whatever. It's not like he's throwing off his back foot.

God forbid we have a quarterback who can't make an accurate throw without having perfect mechanics. Did Schaub have time to step into his game-winning TD pass two weeks ago?

We're talking about a guy with questionable arm strength, so mechanics are a premium.

Yeah... blame the backs for that for not getting the yards after catch on those checkdown routes. Brees has become effective in the short to intermediate game. His accuracy has improved tremendously. He still sucks at throwing the long ball... (what this thread is about). That combined with the ridiculous money he wanted is the reason he is New Orleans. The Fish even picked Culpepper ahead of him. Last season's playoffs was the first time in Brees' career where he hasn't came up flat in the big games.

Mark my words. This is one of his off years again.

ROFLROFL


have you actually WATCHED a saints game in the last couple of years?

Good grief. ROFL

:facepalm:

:eek:

LMAO

Well, if you can't consider the TD/INT percentage impressive because of the lack of throws, you can't bitch about the completion percentage for the same reason.

Only on Chiefsplanet does a Cassel bashing thread turn into people taking shots at Brees.

ROFL

That's incredibly stupid.

Mostly because, well, I'm real sure Cassel's completion percentage is actually gonna go DOWN if he throws more, and throws more down the field.

Duh?

:rolleyes:

the flea flicker for a TD was 65 yards..

But Bowe had to turn around and wait for it... Almost threw it out of the endzone, it if wasnt for an amazing catch by Bowe...

You might want to go back and re-read the post you were responding to. You're talking specifically about downfield passes and saying that there's not enough of them to evaluate TD/INT percentage. Meanwhile, you're trying to claim that there are enough to evaluate the completion percentage of those same downfield passes. Either the number is enough to analyze, or it's not.

And it was a rainbow.

Cassel - 41.5 4/2
Brees - 41.4 4/5

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ya....becuase 65 yard throws are on a rope. great rebuttal.

swear, dude, you're gonna piss on this shit everyday of the season, you're getting too bitter to read..

Arm strength is not defined by how far you can throw the ball anyway.

You're a buffoon. This isn't hard.

Try to keep up now:

Fewer throws down the field = less risk = fewer interceptions.

Capiche?

If it's not hard, you should have been able to figure it out by now.

Fewer throws down the field = fewer touchdowns on throws down the field as well as fewer INTs down the field. Either you have enough to analyze, or you don't. If he's thrown enough of the passes for the completion percentage to be meaningful, he's thrown enough passes for the TD/INT ratio to be meaningful, as well. You are trying to bag on him for the completion percentage while ignoring the TD/INT ratio from the same sample size.

No, that's just ****ing stupid.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Anyway, it's ****ing irrelevant to the conversation. Give him credit or not, I don't care. The fact remains his downfield passing percentage sucks balls, and there's no debating that.

Cassel has a wildly inconsistent WR and rookie TE as his two main targets. They don't really have a burner that can stretch the field. That too is going to affect how many shots Weis can take down the field.

Plus, this year has been all about low risk football.

My point is that throwing a ball 65 yards is not a measure of arm strength.

There's only a couple of QBs with the arm strength to throw a ball even 50 yards on a rope.

Oh, and why are you getting onto a pissing match with me here?
I was actually defending Cassel on that throw to Bowe.

It's the same sample, you dolt. You like to stir up shit by making some of the stupidest arguments on the internet. Try something shocking. Make a decent argument for a change. JFC.

Yea, with his 41.5% he's hardly any better than Drew Brees and his 41.4%, and he's even worse than that Brady guy and his lofty 42%. Good to know.

Although Sanchez is much more accurate than Cassel on balls thrown 11-20 yards down field (57% compared to 44%), Cassel has greater accuracy on balls thrown 21-30 and 41+. (Neither has completed a 31-40).

Although Sanchez is much more accurate than Cassel on balls thrown 11-20 yards down field (57% compared to 44%), Cassel has greater accuracy on balls thrown 21-30 and 41+. (Neither has completed a 31-40).

Although Sanchez is much more accurate than Cassel on balls thrown 11-20 yards down field (57% compared to 44%), Cassel has greater accuracy on balls thrown 21-30 and 41+. (Neither has completed a 31-40).

All that means is Brees and Brady are having poor six-game stretches.

Meanwhile this is one of the best six-game stretches of Cassel's career.

The best restaurant in Kansas City is worse than the worst restaurant in San Francisco.

I'm going to update this thread in a couple days when the new splits come out, but I'm estimating that Cassels percentage will decrease this week. The only "downfield" completions he made against Buffalo were Moeaki's overtime catches and two of those were borderline 10-yard throws.