That site grades players on everything they do. Complete players get rewarded and will grade higher than guys who put up better "numbers". The actual probowl will select guys like CJ, Foster, and McFadden because of thier good "fantasy football numbers". I assume Charles, Addai, and Hillis grade higher for thier efficiency in the touches they recieve and blocking skills.

He dominated the 49ers and dominated the Colts. One game resulted in a lot of sacks, the other only one sack. The latter showed how important pressures are. Pressure is more important than sacking the QB. Any DC worth his salt will tell you that.

Believe this: if Hali ever gets a complimentary rusher like most of the other ends have -- Freeney/Mathis, Harrison/Woodley, the Giants -- Hali will be a 15+ sack guy. The amount of pressures he gets which would be sacks if the QB couldn't just step up or easily run to the other side is frightening. You won't see that watching those other teams. If a guy like Umenyiora puts heat on the QB from one side, you can bet your bottom dollar that Tuck is closing in on the other side, while the interior is pushing the pocket upfield.

So Dane is still wrong.

Where is this magical Hali lost weight info contained? I see this thrown out there all the time as if it were a well known fact and as I have stated several times Hali said to me in person that he put on weight to play OLB in the 3-4. He didn't lose weight. Why is this considered fact around here?

No he didn't MM.

Let me rephrase that.
He lost fat and gained muscle.

He's leaner and sleeker.

Very possible.

Yes he did

No kidding. I never realized the Planet had such a persecution complex. Its ****ing pathetic.

This coming from Go Chiefs is especially ironic though. I suppose someone could make a thread summarizing all of the shit that he has been wrong about, but I think the server is probably strained enough as it is.

Look I am not going to argue this all day. Find some evidence that will cause me to believe that he lied to me and I will change my thoughts on the matter.

Contrary to popular belief, they don't hold a public weigh-in every 6 months.

There is no evidence or even close to anything to suggest that the claim is true, except for the fact that he's twice as quick off the edge, his head looks smaller, his body looks leaner, he was part of a massive team weight loss program in year 1, and he is succeeding at a position where speed is a lot more important than the bullrushing he used to do in a 4-3. Other than that, there is nothing to even remotely suggest that he's lost weight and gotten leaner.

Are you for real?

He completely dominated that San Fran front and was a big reason we ran away with that game.

He still doesn't have quite the pieces around him that other guys like Ware and such have, i.e. a complimentary rusher. I remember a stat from a few years ago when Merriman was still considered a top guy that he had more sacks from other guys pressure moving the QB to him than anyone.

Simply going off of sacks doesn't tell you much. If the guy isn't getting around the QB all the time and just gets a sack here and there he isn't causing the disruption you want from your pass rushers either.

This board overrates the actual sack and underrates everything else because most of the people here underrate Hali.

As far as his weight loss/weight gain thing, I have no idea. However I do know that he LOOKS different than years past. More muscular and leaner. He very well could be heavier but have done it through more mass gain while also shedding some bodyfat. Either way, his stouter at the point against the run and that elusive step that people complained about is suddenly there, and I don't think it's a coincidence that his physique also looks very different now too. Fat is not a friend of speed. Maybe Hali had that step all along, but was just carrying too much fat at the time. This is very possible.

You guys are just a little late to the party.

Marcellus and I already came to an agreement, of sorts, that this is what is actually being discussed.

I was just adding to your guys discussion............

So just because I don't consider him the best in the game, I'm underrating him?

He's been a pleasant surprise. I was wrong about what he could become. I just think it's an overstatement to say he is the most feared pass rusher in the game. Because I disagree with that absurd statement I'm a Hali hater?

Just felt I needed to point that out, since, you know, everyone is always wanting to jump on the chance to point out whenever someone gets something wrong.

You could have been on to something except this.

I will say this one more time and that's it.

2009 off season the infamous 700lbs lost, 1 week before the regular season I am at the KO luncheon talking to Hali who is sitting at our table.

I specifically ask him about the whole emphasis on losing weight etc that you are referring to....He tells me he gained weight he did not lose weight. He had to put on weight to play OLB in the 3-4.

What part of that is confusing?

Yes he may have dropped fat, gained muscle etc...He did not lose weight and was not part of the year 1 purge.

Actually my take supports both of you guys. I think that Hali may be heavier, however his physique has changed a lot so he looks very different. Enough that to the casual observer he could look like he's lighter because he is leaner.

Well that's settled then. Horses mouff and all that.

I don't know what they had him playing at in 2008.

What I do know is that in 2009, they had him playing at 260 which is significantly less than the 275 he played most of his career at prior to the 4-3.

So yes, he lost weight. Maybe you're right that he didn't lose much weight between 2008 and 2009. But I'm pretty sure he's playing at a much lower weight than he weighed most of his career.

Isn't Hali one of the most held passrushers in the league as well?

WEll one of the most held that never gets a flag for sure.

Until we draft his sidekick.

We definitely need a bruiser MLB or an opposite edge rusher...

This is something I've been struggling with. Not many 3-4 defenses have an outstanding pass rusher on the left side. I'm not convinced this is the answer.

I know I"m alone on this, but I think Shaun Smith is average at best against the pass and Ron Edwards has been so-so this season. I think the bigger key to the pass rush is getting good contribution from Tyson Jackson on pass downs and getting a consistently legit presence at NT.

You still need a rusher opposite of Hali. As I noted a lot of guys sacks come from the rush of another guy. This is why two good outside guys really compliment each other in a 3-4 front.

You do, but I think a lot of people think the answer is to put two elite pass rushers opposite each other. Pittsburgh is the only successful 3-4 defense that does that, unless someone can think of another team that does. Of course it's a great thing to have. I just happen to think that especially on the left side, you need a DE that is stout against the run, fluid enough to be effective in the pass, and puts just enough pressure to contain the QB. In other words, we don't need another Tamba Hali necessarily.

Because these guys aren't elite rushers, I think the best thing you can do for the other side of the rush is to get more consistent play from the defensive line. I like what Shaun Smith has done, but I think people need to watch him more carefully on passing downs. There are a lot of downs where he gets absolutely swallowed up.

For the money (not that I care what he's paid. As a fan all that matters is he's tying up a $#it ton of cap space) you're damned right Jackson needs to produce.

And FTR all solid 3-4 defenses did have both a stud L and ROLB who could rush the passer.

Pitt goes without mention. When the Panthers first started off under Capers they were able to contend because they had Greene and Lloyd.

You absolutely must be ABLE to rush from either side. You don't do it every down but the ability to do so has to be there...

Don't agree. Baltimore, San Diego and Dallas (regardless of record, they're good defenses), and the Jets have good not great pass rushers on the left side.

I'd love to have 2 elite pass rushers and I obviously want some presence in the pass rush. I just happen to think that it's a lot better to have on the left side a stud run stopper / coverage guy who rushes the pass well enough than a stud pass rusher who can sort of cover the run and pass.

hali ****ing mauled that offensive tackle

sing it from the mountaintops

THAT'S ANOTHER ****ING SACK GIVE US OUR STATS

We have a dominating ****ing defense.

These guys dropped 40 on the Ravens last week.

The ****ING BALTIMORE RAVENS.

**** off, Gunther.

Hali rapes and mauls offensive tackles and their mothers.

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Eh, Hali is just serviceable. All he did was have 1.5 sacks and force a crucial intentional grounding. Nothing special. All that while being double teamed.

This team is in trouble if he stays as a starter. He's a liability.

Hali is a f'n warrior. Too bad he's maxed out though ;)

HAha. I told you all he couldn't shed a block to save his life. :D

Drafturbators are walking into this thread like http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/1033/inout.gif

This mother****er took a 314-pound offensive tackle and ****ING DROVE HIM INTO THE BACKFIELD LIKE A ****ING DEMON FROM THE FIFTH CIRCLE OF HELL.

Never ****ing doubt this mother****er again.

Or he will come for you in the night.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/74...run_medium.jpg

What did Hali get today? ANother 2.5 sacks? Do we know the official stat yet?

1.5 sacks.

And about 15 RAPES.

How was Asmoah today? I was busy crying.

LMFAO!!!!!

I'm going to get me a Chiefs 91 jersey with "Serviceable" as the name on the back........

We had 274 ****ing yards rushing and ran to the right all game.

He's a stud in waiting.

pretty good, i thought

made some mistakes, but made a lot of good run blocks, pulled well, and was especially good finding and blocking people at the second level

seemed agile and quick, probably needs to get stronger

oh heh.......

BTW

TAmba Hali >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jared AntiClutch Allen

Why the **** so many of you were on Allen's jock is bizarre.

are you drunk, reerun, or both?

Whoa... Jared Allen only has 1 sack this year.

Jared Allen this season - 1 sack

Tamba - 7 sacks

What the **** were you saying?

Hali sucks and he lost 50 pounds.

At this rate, Tyson Jackson is going to be a beast.

Go check the JA trade thread someone just bumped, you will feel better. :D

I can't believe the ****ing Bills actually dared to throw passes at Flowers today. They actually had a few completions on him today.

And the Lion sank his fangs into the Buffalo and finished him off.

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God damn Hali just destroys that guy with a bull rush.

I'm glad he's only our 3rd down rotational situational serviceable backup pass rusher.


Hey can you gif up Arenas spotting the ball? That was ****ing mint.

Clutch play at a clutch time. Something JA has never done in his career.

Quit pumping Arenas he was a terrible pick. Only good for ST.

Yeah, that shit made me smile purty good.

My bad.

I have laughed my ass off at the drafobator BS from that pick.

Even if he didn't play ST he was worth the pick as a nickel back alone.

Oh wait I forgot you have to be a HOF player to be worthy of a CP 2nd round pick.

I just watched it. It was actually Carr that spots the ball. Arenas makes the stop. But that was lucky because he was a shit pick.

Yes. What idiot was it that told me he expects 2nd rounder to play at a pro bowl level for 10 years?

Nice! With 7 Sacks Tamba Hali leads is tied for first place in the AFC. He's on pace to have a great double digit sack season.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...seasonType=REG

That MMA and jujitsu training that Tamba has been doing... whatever it is, has certainly made his hands stronger and quicker.

http://www.kimsmartialartsavon.com/a...ims-nfl-career

He has been studying different shit each offseason for the last couple years, from what I remember. It is truly paying dividends.

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Hadn't heard of his martial arts training, but it was pretty obvious after the first cpl games. I've been pointing to his hands, and calling him Bruce Lee since about week 2-3. I didn't read the article yet but it actually looks like Akido(sp?). He's only going to get better at this point. If he develops an inside spin move, set up by his outside hand slap, he will be unstoppable. I'm still in shock at what he has become.

Hali is making Bills fans think their RT should be replaced.

The play at :30, Hali is going for the nuts, Shaun Smith style.

BossChief 2009:

When This team gets an inside push and has good play from the opposite OLB, Hali will be a 12-15 sack per year type player.

BossChief 2010:

Told ya so!

...

Also: note that he seems to have stepped his game up even more this last game ONCE STUDEBAKER GOT SOME MORE PT

Another told ya so from the Boss!

I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!

Studebaker needs to develop some pass rush moves.

I like his strength and speed combo though.

Those two are gonna crash quarterbacks for years....I agree he needs to develop some more moves, but the kid surely has the talent to be a very good pass rusher. The better he does in this category, the more work the team will push him in that area.

If this staff didn't feel that way, we would have probably taken Kindle or Misi in the second.

He was a extremely effective pass rusher in college...granted it was at a smaller school, be a lot of the great ones were as well.

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Oh, now it's not just defensive player of the year. It's ****ing MVP OF THE LEAGUE.

3. Brandon Flowers, Kansas City (55 points): Flowers appeared on all but one ballot, and is more or less replicating the Darrelle Revis season from a year ago — like Revis in 2009, he’s being targeted plenty and doing the job (37.4 defensive passer rating). And Flowers Island has an even better ring to it.

4. Tamba Hali, Kansas City (48 points): Monster pass-rusher wasn’t listed on three ballots, probably because of his so-so run defense, but 53 total QB disruptions in seven games? Sick.

8. Jamaal Charles, Kansas City (18 points): You don’t average 6.5 yards a carry over a half season in the NFL, period. But Charles is doing it, behind a good-not-great Chiefs line. As a bonus, he’s great in the receiving game (+2.5) and a solid pass-blocker (+1.1).

Flowers is a 2nd tier CB and can't be compared with Revis or Asomugha. And if I was a coach, I would have cut Hali on my first day.
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LOL dane sure ****ed that one up.

Brandon Flowers? LMAO.

Dude got abused by Roscoe Parrish on Sunday.

He is nowhere near Nnamdi's level. Silly Chief fans.

Nnamdi won't help you this week.

He's a puss bitch.

Can you point out Nnamdi's name on this list? I'm not finding it.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...nd-the-mvp-is/

Roscoe parrish had like 30 yards on flowers, but yeah id say he got abused too..

That same Nnamdi that got taken behind the woodshed by Malcolm Floyd and some no name from the Titans?

I think Nnamdi has given up like 30 yards on the year so far...so yeah.

haha

haven't watched many Faider games this year, eh?

Name me specific catches and yards he has given up this year.

Suuuure he has :whackit: