Scapegoat.

So would have Flowers interception. Or even if he had knocked the ball to the ground it would have limited the Raiders to one last sideline throw. Flowers is the goat, LETS CUT HIM!!!!!!

The flowers play is the same way. He catches that pick the game is over.

He knocks the pass down the game is not over.

I understand what your saying but you can't put something like a holding penalty in the first half, or an interception in the first half on the same level as those 2 plays

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I get what you are saying, but...

If he catches that ball the time is able to click down to the 2 minute warning and given us the first down and the raiders had no timeouts.

It would have ended the game.

This is a multiple choice question.

I do. He's the QB. The leader of the team. He cant do it. Abject failure.

Excellent point!!!!elevensies.

The holding penalty literally wiped out 3 points; it's bigger than the Bowe drop, so you're right that it's not on par.

If Bowe catches that ball there is no need for Flowers to make that play. I don't think there is another play in the game before that one that you can say with 100% certainty ENDS THE GAME at that moment.

Plus the ****ing catch was routine, damn thing when straight through his hands.

So many missed opportunities in this game....

This is what I think of when someone says "goat".

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The holding penalty doesn't happen and the entire game changes. We play differently and so do they. Bowe catches the pass and nothing either team can do changes anything, its over.

Studebaker's hold on the fg took 3pts off the board....

Clutch? I specifically recall 2 passes in a row thrown towards Bowe that weren't within 10 yards of him.

Well, then that mother****er should have jumped because he should have iced the game there. Nothing ELSE matters except his lack of vertical leaping ability.

So does Cassel's pick. But we overcame all of that had a chance to win and dropped a routine pass that absolutely wins the game.

Hyperbolic much?

It will be interesting to see how this young team responds next week when we go into Denver and them surely wanting to show that the 09 season finale was a fluke.

Id love to see a repeat performance.

But, one where Bowe catches the game winner and isnt the goat

lets see...12 penalties that gave up 100 yards....giving up 14 points in 3 minutes and 28 seconds starting the 2nd half. Dumb football. No individual blame. In order for the team to mature they can't play the blame game. The team needs to take accountability for one's mistakes. If someone is late to class everyone stays after school for detention.

Look, it was a close game where we blew at least 10 plays. If we made half of them the game is a blow out. If we make 2 of them it is an easy win. If we make one of them it would have given us the margin of victory. But it's all Bowe's fault.

So, what exactly does placing blame accomplish?

Biggest goat is the coaching staff for only giving Jamaal 10 carries. That is completely reeruned. I know a lot of you pansies think it's a great idea to give Jones twice as many carries, but 10 carries for an explosive threat like Jamaal Charles is utterly ridiculous. Especially when Jones is averaging 1 yard per carry.

I never said it was all Bowe's fault, that would be stupid. But the title of this thread is Who is the biggest goat. I think in this situation it was Bowe for dropping that pass.

Helps me know where to send my hate mail.

"DO YOU SEE, DWAYNE BOWE? DO YOU SEE? 20 OF 37 CHIEFS FANS BLAMED YOU OVER MATT CASSEL AND BRANDON FLOWERS FOR THIS LOSS. OVER MATT CASSEL, DUDE!!! DO BETTER NEXT WEEK.

- signed, Chiefsplanet poll committee."

It gives everyone something else to argue about? :shrug:

Do you realize how hard it is to have 3 incomplete passes, a sack and an interception on 5 consecutive plays on the same red zone series? Clutch!

For guys and football, placing blame for a loss is like a woman struggling to find a reason why the guy wont return their calls the next day. :D

true, but we had the lead with under two minutes to play, and that drop opened the door.

Are you new around here?

Yeah, they were absolutely awful.

What if another player was the prime blame in a larger number of plays that had a negative impact including ones that cost us points?

One player had one bad play while another player had 10? Do you still blame the player who made one bad play?

There are plenty of people on this board who fully support the lack of carries Charles is getting because "the Chiefs are winning, so it must be working."

So what about now, when the Chiefs are losing? Why does Thomas Jones continue to run into Casey Wiegmann's ass over and over and over while the most explosive player on the team sits on the sideline? How can anyone support that?

I dunno I guess it would depend on the situation. The other problem is that this is happens with Bowe all the time. he drops balls he should catch and today despite every other mistake we made he still costs us the game with that play.

I am not trying to downplay all of the other things we did shitty today. It just frustrates the hell out of me that despite all of the mistakes we still have our #1 wide receiver drop a routine pass in a situation that wins you the game.

This is what women do best. Bring us back to reality.:)

Special Teams.

If you had to select only one area to drown in acid, it would be those guys. That return to start the second half combined with the fumble on the very next play hurt us ... badly.

The Cha-Raiders were who we thought they were and we let 'em off the hook.

FAX

The leaving 21 points on the field at half time was taking a sledge hammer to the door and reducing to splinters.

The return of the 2nd half kickoff for a TD was setting fire to the splinters.

By the time Bowe missed his play there wasn't even a damn door any more.

Flowers missing the INT, was pretty much blowing up the whole house.

Matt Cassel deciding to throw to LEONARD POPE ???? short of the sticks when Bowe was wide open to start over time was inviting them in to the kid's tree house to have tea.

I don't think Charles was exactly 100% today ... at least he wasn't as the game wore on, Mr. thurman merman.

As for running TJ early, I figure the idea was that their run defense would eventually fold up. What we didn't anticipate was that our o-line would get their asses kicked.

It is strange that we didn't attack the edges more, though. We seemed to have some success there, yet we kept trying to gain yards between the tackles.

FAX

Well Bowe would have probably just dropped the pass anyways

Knowing you're talking about me, that sounds weird.

..all those and previous plays(sans the OT)didn't matter at the moment when we were still LEADING 20 -17 with under two minutes to play...that drop on that play opened the door for the tie/OT...and the door was kicked wide open with the flag on Washington on third down.

but, even then, the Chiefs got the ball first and Weis's playcalling was crappy..they still had their chance and blew it.

He got banged up a couple times near the end of the game, but that's not the point. The point is that he hardly even touched the ball until the 4th quarter, which is completely asinine.

I want to believe in Weis ... gall bladder or no gall bladder.

He's freaking me out, though. Sometimes it looks like we're playing a scrimmage or pre-season game out there ... trying to develop offensive players like Cassel, rather than trying to win the game outright.

Lenny says that, when you find something that works, keep doing it until the enemy stops you. That makes some sense ... not that you can be so predictable that you stop yourself, of course. But, there are certain things that seemed to be working consistently today (more or less) and we kept going back to the things that appear more difficult for us and less likely to convert.

Weis is supposed to be good at this. One has to wonder if our coaching staff is really thinking about this year ... or next.

FAX

I understand completely.

But, what's your point?

FAX

This. It irritates me when one play at the end of the game is deemed "the reason we lost."

Well, it's a little easier to definitively point a finger at that play because you know what would have happened afterwards. Bowe drops the same pass in the first quarter, nobody notices. But since he dropped it during the clutch... when a catch would have iced the game, he's singled out. I think he deserves it too. This isn't some new development.

I chose Bowe but there should be an 'entire team' option. That was just sloppy, undisciplined football. All the stupid penalties....I mean, ****. We travel to Oakland and then we play exactly like them in their house. Pathetic.

Bowe makes that catch and we're not discussing this. I was pissed all afternoon at the ease in which the Oakland defense was in our backfield so quick. Waters time is up.

I made a thread on here saying that the chiefs collapse started with the arrival of Bowe, and got grilled for it and got neg rep ect...

I think in time it will start to show, how many of his drops have cost us games...

My point in that thread was that when you have a consistently bad team then you have to start looking at the "stars" of that team as the problem, as the crap and bottom of the roster is recycled often. Well to me, when we drafted Bowe is when we started to suck.

I think Bowe would still win this vote but I would have liked to see special teams at least as an option in this poll.

Ever since week 1, they haven't done squat.

Sure, Bowe could have made that 4th QTR catch. Sure, Flowers could have batted down that ball. Look at McGraw in the 4th QTR, then let's argue more.

This was a team loss. Look at the number of penalties.

Team loss.......I put most on Coaches........really bad play calling.

Trying to make this team a passing team and Charles not getting his carries.

I disagree.
On the INT, a QB who has no pressure and a wide open WR in the end zone for a very short pass? Doesn't get more routine than that.

Bowe is the easiest target for sure. The whole team looked like dog meat except for #91 T. Hali......he was busting his ass all game long. It appears he gets it in a big way.

All the penalties were just f'n stupid. At least 10 points were taken off the board because of penalties. Matt Cassels pick before halftime was absolutley BRUTAL. Cassel had a HORSE SHIT GAME FOR SURE. How many times did he miss wide open receivers with high passes ?


Oakland was plan lucky that our intire organization looked like it ate shit sandwichs before getting off the team bus toplay the game.

1. Coaching.
2. Special Teams.
3. Flowers
4. Bowe
5. Cassel

In that order.

Cassel missed by a mile on several throws.

Lots of sub-reasons, but the ultimate blame falls with the guy running Jones up the gut for 1 yard while keep Charles on the bench, who did nothing but make yards when in the game.

Simply idiotic and inexcusable.

Mind-numbing for sure. I kept thinking it had to be because JC was banged up. Otherwise, it's a massive WTF!

Ok:

Flowers = Maybe effed up on 1 or 2 plays
Bowe = Dropped a critical pass
Cassel = Made bullshit horrendous throws all fucking day long.


I don't see how you morons cannot put the blame on Cassel..... He messes up Quadruple the amount of times than anyone else on the field.

Dropped passes on offense.
Penalties
Dropped interceptions.
Penalties
Brutal pass attempts by Cassel.
Penalties
Special teams brain farts.
Penalties
Poor punt attempt by Succop after having the FG whipped out by a penalty.
penalties
Defense not covering the Raiders go to receiver end of game.
Penalties
O line not run blocking good enough, especially on key short yardage plays
Penalties
Play calling
Penalties
MENTAL TOUGHNESS

Fixed your post

Weis is the goat

I blame the fans. :p

At the end of the day KC is improving, but still has major problems:

1. A QB who can't take it to the next level.
2. Piss poor WRs.
3. No consistent pass rush except for 1 player. (although great job by Berry on blitzes this week).
4. Short yardage running game is horrible.

Everytime he drops back to pass I hold my breath and curse that a running play wasn't called. He sucks really bad. Sometimes he makes a good throw, and I get so excited and think maybe he doesn't suck that bad. Then with the game on the line he throws five yards over their heads and five yards behind them.

This list is way too small. You forgot:

Ryan Lilja - His false start cost us 3 big points
McGraw - Missing another int
Weiss/Haley - for sending our rookie TE deep on 3rd and 1 instead of a WR
TBD WR - the missing WR that's not yet on this team
The field - that miserable excuse for a field took away our running game and therefore our game plan
Dexter McCluster - for being hurt when we needed him bad.

As good as the o-line has been playing there's still problems there too. The Raiders DL dominated them yesterday. That's gonna happen when you get to the playoffs and start playing against elite teams as well as the occasional Raiders.