Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 7213622)

I love how we all want the Chiefs to develop a young QB, and then when it actually starts to happen before our eyes we have a bunch of jag bags who bitch because well he sucked at the start of season, or sucked all of last season.

Face it, some of you would have never had the patience to coach guys like Payton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Matt Ryan, and basically any other QB

The position takes time to learn in the NFL, and here we have Matt Cassel entering into the prime of his career and people want to bitch about it because they just hate to be proved wrong. I know, I know, its easy always being the guy who finds fault with everything.

Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 7213642)

YOu will NOT dominate every game. Even the mighty mighty Patriots have lost and lost bad this year. I think twice, Jets put a thumping on them and so did the Browns. Even earlier in the year when we played shitty teams, Cassel and Bowe were still not doing much. I firmly believe that Denver game was just one of those fluke games. Young team that had to much confidence and got their chin checked. It happens to all young teams.

This team has still competed with even the good teams it has played. We just never found a way to close it out. We have closed it out even if its against bad teams. Remember the previous 3 years. We just lost lost lost lost. Didnt matter who it was. Shitty team? ****, we made them look good. REAL good. WE made shitty quarterbacks/running back/wide receivers look like hall of fame players. YOu had a defense that was struggling? Play the Chiefs, that will get them going. Thats NOT the case anymore. AT ALL!.

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 7213622)

I love how we all want the Chiefs to develop a young QB, and then when it actually starts to happen before our eyes we have a bunch of jag bags who bitch because well he sucked at the start of season, or sucked all of last season.

Face it, some of you would have never had the patience to coach guys like Payton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Matt Ryan, and basically any other QB

The position takes time to learn in the NFL, and here we have Matt Cassel entering into the prime of his career and people want to bitch about it because they just hate to be proved wrong. I know, I know, its easy always being the guy who finds fault with everything.

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7213643)

People are bitching because they don't believe it's real.

They don't want to get their hopes up just to be disappointed.

It has nothing to do with wanting to be wrong or right. Believe me, I want to be wrong.

In the end though, I can't lose, because I was gaga over Matt after the trade. :evil:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7213614)

This looks like the type of Christmas list I sometimes assembled as a kid--far reaching.

Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 7213652)

You go Gaga after everything right away.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213626)

There's no way to say this nicely, or sugar coat it, so...

I guess that this team, and their performance means more to than others than it does to you.

With that said, if I thought this team wasn't capable of making the playoffs or making a run, then yeah, I wouldn't be all that upset.

But I believe this team CAN, if they play to their potential.

So I'll be damned if I lower my expectations now, when the team should be raising theirs.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7213644)

How? Because those (NT and OLB) are extremely difficult to fill for a 34, with far more teams running this defense.

Can we get a complimentary WR (what happened to our HOF second rounder from '10? should there be another apology thread?) and a C? I should hope so.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7213656)

I suppose but I didn't think that the Chiefs be able to acquire a back like Jones, a center like Weigman, guards like Lilja and Asamoah, a tight end like Moeaki and safeties like Berry & Lewis (not to mention Arenas & McCluster) all in one offseason, either.

Every one of those guys have been difference makers.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7213637)

Dane is the voice of reason in this thread. I agree, if he does lay an egg in SD, it won't diminish what Cassel has done so far.

If Cassel fails at San Diego, the same usual suspects who have ripped him every chance they get will come out in droves.

Whereas, they typically make backhanded compliments when he plays well, or show up days later to offer their "support that he keeps playing well".

But the minute he ****s up again, they will be all over this board bitching. One day he's called the worst starting QB in the NFL, then a few weeks later people, the same people complaining, want him to perform like an elite QB.

It's comedy gold.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7213664)

I'm sipping the koolaid just a little.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7213665)

That's why i said I doubt we get our NT. OLB isn't that difficult to fill. Not nearly as hard as NT.

I see no reason why we can't come away with a starter at WR and OLB in the first two rounds. Especially considering how deep this draft is suppose to be at WR.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213668)

And what if he fails Sunday?

Or in STL?

You might find it funny, I don't.

Look around the league. 8 of the 12 division leaders have elite QB's.

It's a QB driven league, and will be for quite a while, I think.

He's 28 years old, and he's yet to prove he can win an important road game against a solid opponent. He's yet to show that if parts of the team are faltering, he can put the team on his back and win.

I don't see what the issue is in needing to see that happen at least once before we say the guy is a ****ing franchise QB.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7213669)

Tastes good huh?

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213668)

And what if he fails Sunday?

Or in STL?

You might find it funny, I don't.

Look around the league. 8 of the 12 division leaders have elite QB's.

It's a QB driven league, and will be for quite a while, I think.

He's 28 years old, and he's yet to prove he can win an important road game against a solid opponent. He's yet to show that if parts of the team are faltering, he can put the team on his back and win.

I don't see what the issue is in needing to see that happen at least once before we say the guy is a ****ing franchise QB.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7213673)

I'm prepared for it to end up giving me dysentery, though.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7213667)

True. Although I believe Jones and Weigman could easily be replaced. Moeaki has been the real surprise for me. Lewis was a great late pick, too, it seems.

Jury still out on round 2, unfortunately. But even if these picks drink from the dick sock, ultimately, the '10 draft appears to be a very strong one.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7213661)

So calling this team awful in the off-season now gives you free reign to continue to complain if they don't meet your new lofty expectations? The same ones that didn't exist 13 weeks ago?

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7213683)

The level of optimism for Cassel after two good weeks is staggeringly more impressive than the level of disdain for 1 1/2 seasons of mediocrity.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7213683)

The level of optimism for Cassel after two good weeks is staggeringly more impressive than the level of disdain for 1 1/2 seasons of mediocrity.

We'll see which is the "real" Cassel.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213686)

If you want to be happy if they blow a 3 game lead and lose the division, be my guest.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7213683)

The level of optimism for Cassel after two good weeks is staggeringly more impressive than the level of disdain for 1 1/2 seasons of mediocrity.

We'll see which is the "real" Cassel.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7213695)

If Cassel is who I think he is right now, he should have another solid game against the Donks and struggle against the Chargers.

If that happens, how would you label him?

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7213679)

McCluster has proved that he's every bit as explosive as advertised. Arenas has made some key plays and filled a HUGE whole in ST that has been void since Dante left.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7213679)

Im curious to see how they incorporate McCluster in the offense now that Bowe has emerged.

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7213701)

A fraud, clearly.

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7213701)

A fraud, clearly.

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7213690)

Just a dab'll do ya!

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7213683)

The level of optimism for Cassel after two good weeks is staggeringly more impressive than the level of disdain for 1 1/2 seasons of mediocrity.

We'll see which is the "real" Cassel.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7213683)

The level of optimism for Cassel after two good weeks is staggeringly more impressive than the level of disdain for 1 1/2 seasons of mediocrity.

We'll see which is the "real" Cassel.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 7213563)

These next 5 games will tell us all we need to know about him.

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 7213697)

Isn't our lead only one game?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7213704)

IMO, Arenas has been somewhat of a disappointment on special teams but he's more than made up for that with his play at nickel/corner.

Considering that Washington was a completely wasted pick in 2009, the Chiefs definitely needed an upgrade at nickel, especially with the injury to Leggett.



Theoretically, he should soften the front seven of the opposing defenses and give even more looks to Bowe. If that happens, we'll definitely have a chance in San Diego.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7213714)

I expect him to play well against Denver and struggle against San Diego.

But, that doesn't mean that the Chiefs can't beat San Diego, even if he struggles somewhat.

Injuries and player availability will play a key role in determining who wins and loses that game.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 7213724)

I definitely think we CAN win that game. I just don't have the confidence that we WILL win that game.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7213695)

If Cassel is who I think he is right now, he should have another solid game against the Donks and struggle against the Chargers.

If that happens, how would you label him?

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213718)

So I pray to God that the Cassel of Weeks 11/12 is the real Cassel, and the schmuck who started the other 24 games wearing #7 is gone forever.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7213714)

I expect him to play well against Denver and struggle against San Diego..

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 7213720)

no, it won't.

but it will tell us what we need to know about the team.

I find it funny how fans say..well, if he does this and this and this, then I'll give him praise, like their accepted level of praise actually validates him.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7213683)

The level of optimism for Cassel after two good weeks is staggeringly more impressive than the level of disdain for 1 1/2 seasons of mediocrity.

We'll see which is the "real" Cassel.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7213714)

I expect him to play well against Denver and struggle against San Diego.

But, that doesn't mean that the Chiefs can't beat San Diego, even if he struggles somewhat.

Injuries and player availability will play a key role in determining who wins and loses that game.

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 7213737)

I told Holthus last night...

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213732)

An average QB.

One that can beat the Sisters of the Poor in the NFL, but can't win the games that matter most.

The last two weeks have shown us that he has the ability to play like an elite QB against bad teams.

Can he replicate that ability against good teams?

Against good teams on the road?

Or in a game in which Charles/TJ get shut down?

Can Matt Cassel perform like a franchise QB when his team needs him the most?

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 7213698)

This.

Even Grossman had acouple of good games. I'll wait til Cassel actually does something on his own in a meaningful game.

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 7213733)

I suppose this would be easier for "God" to grant than making your incredibly simple brain come to the realization that they are the same person. Cassel did not suddenly become something different 2 weeks ago. This has been ongoing the entire season.

If your head is up your ass, and you pull it out and then see light....it doesn't necessarily mean God turned on a light switch....it might mean your head was in your ass.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213732)

An average QB.

One that can beat the Sisters of the Poor in the NFL, but can't win the games that matter most.

The last two weeks have shown us that he has the ability to play like an elite QB against bad teams.

Can he replicate that ability against good teams?

Against good teams on the road?

Or in a game in which Charles/TJ get shut down?

Can Matt Cassel perform like a franchise QB when his team needs him the most?

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 7213738)

I don't give a crap what anyone thinks of my opinion of Cassel. The Chiefs will go as Cassel goes over these next 5 games. If he struggles the team will struggle. If he excels, the team will excel. Neither one means they will go 5-0 or 0-5. The pressure is on him and the team right now as the playoffs have already started for the Chiefs.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 7213738)

I don't give a crap what anyone thinks of my opinion of Cassel. The Chiefs will go as Cassel goes over these next 5 games. If he struggles the team will struggle. If he excels, the team will excel.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213751)

No, it hasn't.

Cassel has looked like a completely different QB starting with the 2nd half of the Denver game.

Anyone who knows anything about football and the QB position can determine this easily.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213751)

Anyone who knows anything about football and the QB position can determine this easily.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7213742)

Denver is a floundering team right now, in large part because of a lot of internal problems, and we should absolutely piss pound them at Arrowhead.

Cassel will need to play well in SD. Not doing so should be grounds for legitimate criticism because this will, essentially, be a playoff game for this team. All players, especially our most important ones, will need to elevate their game.

I expect to see the best from the likes of Bowe, Charles, Cassel, etc.

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 7213747)

...just like Peyton did against the Chargers...at home.

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 7213768)

Oh ok. Youre right....I just asked everyone who knew and they told me you were correct and Cassel sucks, Pioli is a moron etc...

I will never question you again.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7213758)

But the standard has to be clear. We have to get on Cassel's case for the right reasons.

Because an unfair standard is to expect him to continually carry a bad defense and special teams unit and expect him to consistently win games. I ripped on Cassel for his performance against Denver--thought he didn't make plays when he needed to. On the other hand, I think a LOT of people were very unfairly critical of Cassel's performance in Oakland even though the Chiefs got crushed in the running game, on defense, on special teams, and with stupid penalty mistakes. So I don't agree that it's fair to say that we go as Cassel goes. Cassel needs to be sharp in the remaining games, but if he's sharp and the defense gives up 30+ points, there's only so far you can take the blame.

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 7213763)

sure you do.. you keep repeating it...and you expect him to overcome subpar play from the rest of the squad. in year two of a rebuild...:rolleyes:

excel, despite like the defense played against Houston?

hey matt, the defense just gave up four consecutive TD's in the forth qtr....it's your fault if we lose.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7213742)

Denver is a floundering team right now, in large part because of a lot of internal problems, and we should absolutely piss pound them at Arrowhead.

Cassel will need to play well in SD. Not doing so should be grounds for legitimate criticism because this will, essentially, be a playoff game for this team. All players, especially our most important ones, will need to elevate their game.

I expect to see the best from the likes of Bowe, Charles, Cassel, etc.

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7213743)

Is he the big spoon or the little spoon?

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 7213780)

OK, you win. I'm not supposed to defend my position. Got it.:thumb:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7213505)

Wins over NFC West teams do not prove that the Chiefs are not frauds.

They remain frauds until they make the playoffs and prove they belong in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7213770)

I agree that San Diego is a huge test for Cassel but I also believe that if he fails, that doesn't mean that he won't get "it" later this year or before next season.

Like I mentioned earlier, the guy was on the roster at USC and with the Patriots but he hasn't been put in that type of a situation before. He's getting better each week but it won't shock me if he falters because he's really never been in "playoff" type atmosphere in college or the NFL. He may not be prepared for that type of pressure.

If he doesn't perform at a higher level in San Diego but comes back to play at a high level against the final three opponents, I'll have more faith in him the next time he's put in that situation. He's still got a lot to learn but he's most certainly heading in the right direction.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213775)

I'm looking for a post in which anyone said Cassel sucks, or that Pioli is a moron.

I'd ask for a refund from the Meat Dragon School of Trolling, if I were you.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 7213780)

OK, you win. I'm not supposed to defend my position. Got it.:thumb:

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 7213789)

assuming the worst is a position?

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213797)

No, you're just supposed to pass the blame to anyone but Cassel.

I mean, the guy that touches the ball on every offensive play has zero bearing on the game, right?

I don't give a flying **** if the defense gives up 60 points.

That means that Cassel's job is to lead the offense to 61.

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 7213795)

Oh thats right you always knew he was going to be a solid QB...

ROFL

This is fantastic.....was "school" a hospital for amnesia?

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213772)

No offense, Steve, but that's ridiculous, and you know it.

Peyton Manning answered all the questions we have about Cassel in his rookie year, and is nothing less than a Top 5 QB in the history of the NFL.

Sorry, but he gets the benefit of the doubt for having a bad game or two every three years.

Maybe if Cassel shows, just once, that he can do any of the things Manning has been doing consistently for over a decade, you can make that comment again, and I'll only snicker instead of laughing so hard it hurts.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213797)

I don't give a flying **** if the defense gives up 60 points.

That means that Cassel's job is to lead the offense to 61.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 7213805)

Lets not forget that Cassel had the opportunity to win that game in the end.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 7213798)

Being cautious is not assuming the worst. You haven't been reading my posts or you are just assigning your own meaning to them. I think your beef is more with OTW than with me.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213808)

Shocking that you're moving the goalposts, but show me where I was wrong?

I said that he'd have a solid year statistically because of Weis masking his deficiencies.

That's exactly what's happened, up until the 2nd half of the Denver game.

Since then, they've actually opened up the playbook and let him try to stretch the field.

And he's been successful doing so. Let's hope the string of solid play continues.

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 7213810)

FAIL

I hope there aren't any logic questions on your final exam....

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213797)

No, you're just supposed to pass the blame to anyone but Cassel.

I don't give a flying **** if the defense gives up 60 points.

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 7213815)

no, I think you put forward no risk, and don't desrve the reward that comes with it..

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 7213815)

no, I think you put forward no risk, and don't desrve the reward that comes with it..

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 7213821)

:spock:
Oh, the bad fan tag. I must be in the wrong forum. I thought this was Chiefsplanet.

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 7213824)

awwwww...talk about putting your own meaning to posts.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 7213826)

This is just getting old. We disagree on the QBs progress at this point in the season. Fair enough.