Well the one thing Croyle has up against him is just playing against live competition during a game situation. Only playing experience can make you better in that aspect of the game. Practice is different. But he's had a chance to learn the system etc while holding the clipboard and has had a training camp under his belt w/ Weis and the newbies from FA and the draft so we will see. Mechanically speaking he's a better QB than Cassel, has better arm strength and IMO is more accurate. It's just he has to get his timing down and develope chemistry....and asking him to have that down pat is hard to do in just a matter of a week, after not playing for a long time.

With that being said, going on the road against a (good) pissed off Chargers team is not going to be easy, I think we lose this game, and it wouldn't surprise me if we get our shit kicked in since their season is on the line. Hopefully we can play up to our competition this week and make it a game, and with a little luck and bounces of a KC ball, maybe we can come out with a "W", but it's highly unlikely.

I'm more interested in seeing what the defense can do against the Chargers offense.

You are dumber than I thought, please get some help, seriously.

Your reasoning is so circular, its whatever stat is convenient for you at the time, with no consistency. .

He lost the game, could not keep up, the Broncos went prevent to make it closer, but it was still a pathetic loss, similar to the one in Oakland, Houston and Indy. Cassel just didn't have what it took, when needed to win the game.

He did in Seattle though, and it was wonderful, we ALL loved it.

You are the one talking about wins and losses guardasill.

My sentiments exactly. Who knows? Maybe Weis can call the game of his life, we run the ball well, the offensive line can protect him and we win this game. I just don't understand where all this confidence in Croyle is coming from.

Cassel lost the game. All by himself.....

I refuse to talk to your stupid ass any more.

Thanks for making my point Mr. 0-9. Brodie Croyle lost all of them by himself, right? But Cassel didn't, see how this works?


Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Dude....you're just as pathetic as the people that you bitch about.

Sadly HemiEd, your right. Croyle lost with teams that were dog shit... But it was solely Cassels fault for Houston, Indy, Denver and Oakland...

Just the way it is when your the Starting QB in KC... The Backup is always the answer, has been since I can ever remember watching or talking chiefs football 22 years ago...

See that is my point, this started out as

"Croyle is 0-9 he is dogshit and why would anyone want to see him play, and they are stupid mother ****ers for even thinking it."/guardasill

So if Croyle is 0-9, how does Cassel get a pass on the Denver debacle, when he was clearly the one shitting his pants on offense?

Any idiot, even one with brain damage from playing Jr. College football should be able to see that.

You lost me my good man......what is it?

Cassel was the one shitting his pants on offense in the first Denver game? You might want to check the first half passing stats vs. running stats and penalties.

TheGuardian is just as bad as everyone else.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...5&postcount=35

Cassel shit is pants, no doubt. But the Defense quit on this team from Romeo down to the 15th DB on the practice squad in both Houston and Denver games...

Just absolutley quit on the team... It was shameful and totally inexcusable for a highly paid athlete to quit like that...

True. True. What would be interesting to see is if Croyle is able to put down his gunslinger mantle and fit into the ball control, "careful" philosophy that Cassell has played with.

YOU might want to WATCH the first quarter of the game again. It was game time, over. Cassel shit his pants all over the FIRST quarter when the game was determined.
But he got a lot of practice in for the next three quarters, and it must have done him some good.
Those wonderful stats that everyone keeps romancing about, are going to help him hit the lottery AGAIN.

Cassel had a tight leash on him and even still he was throwing the ball into the ground or over the head of receivers 5 yards away from him. But hey, at least he didn't turn it over. :facepalm:

Eerily similar to the Herm/Huard game plans.

IMO this team really needs a QB that can be turned loose, and that was what was so exciting about the Seattle game. It looked like they had turned Cassel loose to me.

I don't think Brodie Croyle played very well with his hands tied by Herm, hopefully that isn't the case Sunday.

I hope so as well, but knowing what we know, I expect to see very little in terms of Croyle airing it out.

When you're claiming that Cassel has only played two good games this season, you probably shouldn't be following that up with insults of other people's intelligence.

No, your definition of 'good' is just different. It's a subjective issue. You think not throwing any interceptions is good. You don't care if he's inaccurate, doesn't progress through his reads, has bad footwork and has no pocket awareness.

Wanting Croyle to do well has nothing to do with hating Cassel
Croyle steps out on that field injury after painful injury and returns and stands in there and takes hits
If you can't find it in yourself to root for a guy like that you suck

Shouldn't title read: " Croyle lacking game"?

No, I care if he's playing "good". I don't pretend that I know what his reads are, for example, because that would require that I pretend to know precisely what plays were called and precisely what every player on the field was supposed to do at every moment. I leave that to the idiots who can't be bothered with honest evaluation.

Please enlighten me, which besides the Arizona and Seattle games, was he not just a high priced manager not losing the game?

I may have forgotten one.

Well, it's pretty easy to tell when he stares one receiver down. I mean, whether it's him not progressing through his reads or whether it's the game plan - either one is pretty telling.

Actually, neither tells a damned thing on its own.

He returns to the game because he makes around 400k a year doing so.

You didn't watch the game.

350 lb men running straight at you
after you've had surgery after surgery
standing in there and taking another hit is child's play

That may be somewhat motivating at this point in his career, Mr. Chiefnj2, but he kept coming back from somewhat nasty injuries in college. I think the boosters were only giving him about 50k a year back then.

Personally, I think he loves to play the game.

FAX

1.) The moniker "manager" implies that managing a game isn't playing "good". The reality is that every NFL QB is supposed to be managing the game.

2.) When Tom Brady was making the New York Jets team his bitch on Monday, he was "just a high priced manager". He was throwing short-medium passes pretty much exclusively, and avoiding interceptions. Seems to me that he had a "good" game anyway.



In other words, your use of the terms "manager" and "good" is lousy, and designed to beg the question.

Let me help you here, I didn't play Jr. College football, but I have been watching this team for 41 years, so I picked up a couple things.

1) When the center snaps the ball to #7, and from the snape #7 stares at one receiver until he throws it to him, or gets sacked still looking at that one receiver, or throws a pick while throwing to that same receiver, without looking at any other potential receivers, that is called not progressing through his reads (looking for alternative target to throw to), Follow?

As I have said numerous times, I think he did a great job on this in the Seattle game, it gave me wood just seeing that improvement. Not so good in the Denver game last week, but hey, everyone has a bad day. I hope he plays like the Seattle game every time, but so far he hasn't.

2) For the most part, his accuracy the last two years has been horrible, atrocious, receivers had to be double jointed. But that also has been looking better the last three games IMO.

Sure it does. If the play calls for Cassel to only read one route and then to check down if the receiver is deemed covered, it means the coaching staff doesn't trust Cassel to make multiple reads and make a decision quickly enough. The other case is pretty obvious and leads to the 'tunnel vision' conclusion. How about addressing the other things I listed now?

Both of this assertions are assuming 100% accuracy when there are plenty of other possibilities, which is why they are wrong. There are plays that actually call for a quick look one way and then a "check down", and every team in the NFL has them.

Like HemiEd, you're seeing what you want to see.

Couldn't agree more. I wonder if Weis cried when Haley said "86 the Bubble, Bubbles"?

Of course. I'm not claiming otherwise.

You must have forgotten them, given your recent posts on this subject.

This is the problem with people who have been "watching this team for 41 years". They think they know what the hell they are talking about just because of the duration of their fandom.

Just a heads up here.... while QB rating is not a perfect mirror of QB play, it's pretty difficult to achieve a 98.4 rating, over the course of 3/4 of a season, on the strength of just two games.

Also, every QB locks on to receivers. Sometimes it's a problem, sometimes it's inherent in the play.

Oddly enough, most people can watch a game and figure at least a few things out. You seem to have avoided even the blind squirrel sorts of fortune.

This is just complete bullshit.

Then asserting them as arguments is meaningless, unless you can put them in accurate context.

I was just trusting you saw what I saw. You're right, I don't have the exact plays written down anywhere.

I give up, enjoy the game if you watch this one.

But at least try and listen to the announcers, their explanations may help you.

I did watch, but did erase the DVR before watching it again. I don't slam my finger in the door intentionally either.
Usually I appreciate and agree with your takes and I am clearly not infallable, so I went back and checked the play by play.

I think somewhere in the middle might be correct as we may see the same thing differently.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/playbyp...Id=20101114007

first four possessions, after that the game was over, 35-0. We should be able to agree on that, correct?

It was 7 -0 prior to the first possession.

1st possession Cassel 1 for 2, 1 first down
now 14-0 2nd possession, Cassel 0 for 1, 3 and out
now 21-0 3rd possession , Cassel 4 for 4, 1 for no gain, sacked twice
now 28-0 4th possession, Cassel 3 for 4, sacked twice, fumble to make it 35-0


It would have been nice if he had led them to a score the first two possessions, but clearly the defense was worse than pathetic.

Cassell threw four interceptions this year. Four.

lol really? The biggest difference between 11-5 and 0-9 is the fact that Cassel took over the best offense in NFL history one offseason removed and Croyle took over what exactly? Oh yeah a team with an injured LJ, no Oline, and Solari and Herm running the show.

The Cassel versus Croyle debate is moot for one reason and one reason alone. Croyle can't stay healthy so that ends that debate. Talent wise they are very close and Croyle has a better arm, mechanics and pocket presence but Cassel has more prototypical size and he is working and getting better in all 3 of those aforementioned categories so there is no debate here. The Cassel homers just don't like the fact that most of the arguements they used for Cassel these past 2 years could be used for Croyle as well if not for his Olive Oil build.

Cassel made 843 Billion throws either into the dirt, coverage, or geosynchronous orbit this year. 843 Billion.

FAX

If Croyle wins this game, I wonder what Tardian will do.

He will have won a more substantial game than Cassel has in his entire pro career.

I know Matt, I know. Keep those stiches clean.

I didn't type that right. He has had more time to learn Haley's style.

If we win this game it will be awesome. I am pulling for Croyle 100% because I want the chiefs to win.

This is what a fan does. Not sit back and root for the starting QB to fail so he can say "I told you so".

So **** off dipshit.

Goddamn, dude, I expect this tripe from mental midgets like Pawntard, but you? How can you sit there and think that people root for their starting QB to fail?

You think I'm the only one who knows this?

You think OTVagPath58 doesn't root for Cassel to fail? Mecca? Hamas? Regardless of what they ****ing say they squeal like ****ing pigs when Cassel doesn't throw for 350 for 900 TD's and no picks. Proof is in the pudding. As soon as Cassel started doing well OTVagP58 went away and so did Mecca. There are others as well.

OTW made a thread about him being busy with finals or something. I don't know about Mecca - he just likes to make people feel bad for some reason (probably personal issues). I'm sure Hamas and OTW would be giddy as **** if the AZ and SEA Cassel is the real one.

My guess is he will laugh at you when Croyle's ass hits the bench after such a 'substantial' win.

this

ANyone who roots for the chiefs to fail is ****ing garbage in my book.

I would bet high on it.

In fact, OTWP58 made that pretty clear after attending one of the games, and so has Hamas. The fact that they are realists, does not make them haters of the team success.

My take on Mecca, he might be trying to make a living as it is pretty tough out there right now.

When have any of us ever rooted against Cassel? Point to one ****ing post. You can't, can you?

Also, you don't need to end every single one of your posts with a "so **** off dipshit" or "go **** a blender" or "eat camel shit and die" like it's a form of punctuation. We get it. You're big, strong, and angry.

Exactly. Just because someone has a grain of objectivity and is not a complete homer, doesn't mean they want to see the team or the quarterback fail. This is common sense, I don't even know why we have to explain this.

I totally agree with you.

If I see ever any of those ****ers around this forum, you can bet your ass I'm going to give them a piece of my mind.

I have and will continue to do so.

I don't think you quite understood what SNR was saying, but that's OK, just make sure your helmet is strapped on nice and tight.

Seppuku?

I just root for the end of his era. I do however want him to get as good as he can be and hopefully do his part in winning us a championship.

Why do you hate Croyle so much? He's our QB.

Thank God you guys showed up in this thread!

http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/871/rorpantscp.jpg

Really feeling the love just a few days before we win our first division title in years...

Always happy to do my part, Chunk:

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Guys I think Croyle's going to look really good on Sunday, and he's going to win the game.

What evidence do I have for this assertion?

About as much evidence as the people who said Cassel was going to be good at the beginning of the season.

Why do you hate Croyle? Why don't you want him to succeed and be EVEN BETTER than Cassel?

Well I for one hope that you are as correct as they turned out to be! (or even more!)

GO CHIEFS

I think its funny how many people get so butthurt over OTW, Dane, and Hamas posts.

I wish GoChiefs could giff up the two big hits that took Croyle out. I would, but have no clue how to do it.

The one in the New England game, where he was driven into the ground while his back arm was wrapped up, just like the hit that took Romo out.

The other one being the sandwich hit, like the one that took Vick out.

He has taken some pretty good poundings since, like last year in the Baltimore game and keeps coming back.

Actually if you paid any ****ing attention.....OTWP58 is busy with school and life right now. He's taken plenty of breaks over the years. And I've been to a game with him.....when Cassel was making throws that he's supposed to make as a starting QB....he was cheering him on.

So shut the **** up about something you have no clue about.

That is a great observation.

Why do you hate Croyle? He's our QB. Don't you want him to succeed and be even better than Cassel? Can you image having someone better than Cassel as our QB? That would be amazing.

This. We all did the Bash, had a good time, some of us met each other for the first time and found out that we were pretty good people in real life, and we all got ****ing drenched and hoarse-throat cheering like berserkers for this team(Cassel included)at Monday Night Football.

So basically, yeah: **** these idiots like Tardian and Pawnblower.

And not difficult to achieve.

mr. wenie rubber
 

mr. wennie rubber quit rubbing ur wennie

I watch. I listen. I admit my limitations.

It seems to be that 3rd one where you and I separate. You seem to think you know the read progressions on every play.