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DaWolf 02-13-2011 07:06 PM

I'm not sure if the notion of being conservative on offense meshes with the reality of Haley's propensity of being aggressive and going for it on fourth downs.

Whatever the case, we have to get better at converting third downs...

BigMeatballDave 02-13-2011 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7428079)
usual suspects bitching and moaning about something that hasn't even happened yet

lololol

Heh, this.

beach tribe 02-13-2011 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7427111)
I really find this difficult to believe, since Haley ran a lot of spread in Arizona, and Weis made his money as the Patriot OC by sticking to the run game even when they had marginal success.

The only thing that might lend this credibility is if that Haley believes that Cassel is the weak link and he believes that limiting Cassel and running the ball gives him the best chance to succeed.

Are you even capable of posting something that I don't agree with?

FAX 02-13-2011 07:22 PM

I haven't read this entire thread, so my apologies to all and in advance.

I don't agree with this "article", though. I do not believe that Haley is capable of shutting off the cat burger side of his personality. Once a man has gone cat burger, the only question left is whether or not you're also getting the hot apple turnover.

FAX

chiefforlife 02-13-2011 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 7428103)
As I said, a link where the information came from is sufficent. I think that is the acceptable standard here.

The source is posted in the original post, the story is pasted. I even posted the link I read it at later.....and you still Neg repped me! I even asked you not to after the "rep heist" wow. Thanks.

Brock 02-13-2011 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 7428139)
The source is posted in the original post, the story is pasted. I even posted the link I read it at later.....and you still Neg repped me! I even asked you not to after the "rep heist" wow. Thanks.

That's a dick move.

BigMeatballDave 02-13-2011 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 7428133)
I haven't read this entire thread, so my apologies to all and in advance.

I don't agree with this "article", though. I do not believe that Haley is capable of shutting off the cat burger side of his personality. Once a man has gone cat burger, the only question left is whether or not you're also getting the hot apple turnover.

FAX

LMAO

The Bad Guy 02-13-2011 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7427764)
Without knowing the source of this report, it's difficult to ascertain its validity.

That said, it does jibe with reports of the Chiefs meeting with so many offensive lineman at the Senior Bowl, etc. If they're really wanting to run the ball effectively, regardless of down and distance, they'll need to replace the center, right guard and right tackle this year, just for starters.

Why would they have to replace Lilja? They'll need to replace Weigmann, but if they are going with a maulball philosophy, B Rich is well suited for that.

What he's not suited for is pass blocking.

Lilja was a great run blocker last year.

morphius 02-13-2011 08:44 PM

This doesn't jive well with the rumor that he took over play calling of the second half of the playoff game, where he didn't run the ball at all.

crossbow 02-13-2011 09:21 PM

If I was the head coach/OC I would certainly go with an offense that needed at least 4 good wideouts when my team has one and a mediocre o-line. Lets get the QB killed. What the hell aye?

Bottom line: We don't know what he plans to do but he is going to use what he has that works. And he isn't going to force his team into a style that it doesn't have the players for. Don't be fooled by last years record. We were the best of the worst. Lots of rebuilding needs to be done yet. Wait another two years and then let the bitching start. Gotta get some players before you can win, aye? And if Haley's play calling sucks then he can fire himself. It would be yet another OC that he couldn't work with....himself.

DaneMcCloud 02-13-2011 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7428269)
Why would they have to replace Lilja? They'll need to replace Weigmann, but if they are going with a maulball philosophy, B Rich is well suited for that.

What he's not suited for is pass blocking.

Lilja was a great run blocker last year.

Personally, I prefer Asamoah to Lilja. He's younger but more importantly, bigger and stronger.

Lilja wore down and became less effective as the season progressed, especially the last few games.

I'm all for giving Richardson another year to develop at right tackle but with that said, I wouldn't be surprised if they draft someone to replace him and move him to swing tackle.

Barret 02-13-2011 09:35 PM

Ok let me ask something. The tight lipped, let no information out, "New England West" Pioli camp has released that they will be running a meat and potatoes type offense next year.

And you all believe it? Does that sound Fishy at all to any of you at all? Especially a couple of months before draft?

Well this would almost assure us an Offensive line pick in the draft. Probably a Tackle or Center. Well heck, if I am a team owner and see this I better pick up my tackle or center first before the Chiefs grab him. I can let that OLB or WR go since there is going to be a run on meat and potatoes in the first round.

How many years do we go by and we have to remind ourselves that everything is smoke and mirrors before the draft.

The only way that Haley is running meat and potatoes is if the NFLPA is locked out and they have to get scrubs. He will have to run Meat and Potatoes for Shane Falco to get with the program. Then Mark Castle will return for the playoff game and all the players will quit on him and Falco will be triumphant and the Chiefs will win a playoff game!!!

ToxSocks 02-14-2011 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7428269)
Why would they have to replace Lilja? They'll need to replace Weigmann, but if they are going with a maulball philosophy, B Rich is well suited for that.

What he's not suited for is pass blocking.

Lilja was a great run blocker last year.

I dont know why people keep harping about Lilja. He did a good job last year. He was hardly the weakest link.

Rausch 02-14-2011 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7428335)
Personally, I prefer Asamoah to Lilja. He's younger but more importantly, bigger and stronger.

Ditto.

King_Chief_Fan 02-14-2011 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 7427094)
Matt Cassel - QB - Chiefs

Chiefs HC Todd Haley wants to run "a meat and potatoes offense" in 2011.
That's good news for Jamaal Charles' fantasy stock, and bad news for Matt Cassel's. Former OC Charlie Weis reportedly left because he wanted "to use a lot of shotgun and spread formations while jazzing up the offense," while Haley wanted to remain conservative. After it became public that Weis was leaving last season, Cassel posted a 0:5 TD-to-INT ratio in two games.
Related: Jamaal Charles
Source: National Football Post
Feb 13, 9:48:00 AM

it appears that the coach really doesn't have much faith in his QB. He did not run conservative in Arizona with Warner as his QB. We will see mundane until Cassel is no longer a Chief.

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan 02-14-2011 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 7428969)
it appears that the coach really doesn't have much faith in his QB. He did not run conservative in Arizona with Warner as his QB. We will see mundane until Cassel is no longer a Chief.

That or the National Football Post is just pulling crap out of its underwear and seeing who'll accept it blindly.

I love how people will snap up anything that talks bad about the Chiefs organization, whether it's the coaches, players, owner, GM, whatever. BUT, if someone posts good news, they're just homers.

How about we wait and see what the coach will do with 2011, provided there IS a 2011 before panicking? :banghead:

Chiefnj2 02-14-2011 12:00 PM

Former OC Charlie Weis reportedly left because he wanted "to use a lot of shotgun and spread formations while jazzing up the offense,"


Does anyone know the source of the above information?

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan 02-14-2011 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7428980)
Former OC Charlie Weis reportedly left because he wanted "to use a lot of shotgun and spread formations while jazzing up the offense,"


Does anyone know the source of the above information?

My guess is a bottle of Tequila on a Saturday night binge when deadline approached.:evil:

DaneMcCloud 02-14-2011 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7428980)
Former OC Charlie Weis reportedly left because he wanted "to use a lot of shotgun and spread formations while jazzing up the offense,"


Does anyone know the source of the above information?

That source told Dan Pompei and I'm guessing that he will never reveal who said it. Whether the source is right or wrong is debatable but Pompei has an excellent reputation.

DaneMcCloud 02-14-2011 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan (Post 7428977)
That or the National Football Post is just pulling crap out of its underwear and seeing who'll accept it blindly.

So, you have proof to the contrary? Let us hear it.

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan (Post 7428977)
I love how people will snap up anything that talks bad about the Chiefs organization, whether it's the coaches, players, owner, GM, whatever. BUT, if someone posts good news, they're just homers.

Please explain how this blurb is negative or bad news.

Thanks.

DaneMcCloud 02-14-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Barret (Post 7428340)
Ok let me ask something. The tight lipped, let no information out, "New England West" Pioli camp has released that they will be running a meat and potatoes type offense next year.

So, you truly believe that coaches and players don't share information with their friends, especially their friends around the league?

The reason why there's little information coming out of Arrowhead is because players and coaches fear for their jobs and are all too familiar with Pioli and Haley's policies regarding the media.

That doesn't mean that there are not people outside the organization that don't know what's happening inside the organization.

petegz28 02-14-2011 02:47 PM

I don't mind conservative as long as you have the OL that can block for it. Weigman at C spells out a big NO for the power running game.

DaneMcCloud 02-14-2011 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 7429399)
I don't mind conservative as long as you have the OL that can block for it. Weigman at C spells out a big NO for the power running game.

They interviewed centers and tackles at the Senior Bowl and other outings. With Weigmann stating that he's not sure if he'll return, it's a pretty good bet they'll take someone this year to replace him.

Mr. Laz 02-14-2011 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 7429399)
I don't mind conservative as long as you have the OL that can block for it. Weigman at C spells out a big NO for the power running game.

truth ... if we are going power then i don't know that Wiegman,lilja or Albert are good for that.

We need a better fullback too

eazyb81 02-14-2011 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7429418)
They interviewed centers and tackles at the Senior Bowl and other outings. With Weigmann stating that he's not sure if he'll return, it's a pretty good bet they'll take someone this year to replace him.

Yes, and publicly meeting with players at the Senior Bowl is never used as a smoke signal.

:rolleyes:

DaneMcCloud 02-14-2011 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7429459)
Yes, and publicly meeting with players at the Senior Bowl is never used as a smoke signal.

:rolleyes:

You guys WAY overreact to this "smoke signal" nonsense.

The Chiefs need a center, do they not? The Chiefs need an upgrade at right tackle, do they not?

Richardson may or may not be the starter in 2011. Weigmann is most likely not the starter in 2011. Either way, the Chiefs need a center and they need competition along the offensive line.

Brock 02-14-2011 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7429664)
You guys WAY overreact to this "smoke signal" nonsense.

The Chiefs need a center, do they not? The Chiefs need an upgrade at right tackle, do they not?

Richardson may or may not be the starter in 2011. Weigmann is most likely not the starter in 2011. Either way, the Chiefs need a center and they need competition along the offensive line.

I agree, it's not like it's a big mystery what the team needs.


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