I must be missing something. It seems to me that the veterans outnumber the rooks. If a fixed salary amount were going to be distributed among teammates, I would think that the veterans would prefer to cut back on these enormous rookie salaries in favor of higher veteran pay.

Free agency pretty much took care of the "performance" issue, didn't it? I mean, if you perform at a high level, FA allows you opportunities for higher compensation, no?

What am I missing?

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I've basically come to the point where I hope the Owners tell the players to take what they're offering or go play in Canada.

I'm pissed because they are complaining about their piece of the revenues when I just can't rationalize why they are entitled to any at all. They make a shit ton of money to play a game and they are still bitching. Lastly the players exorbitant salaries are a major contributor to sky high ticket prices.

Yes the owners are greedy bastards and I don't' think they should be able to screw over the players, but from a business sense I support them more than the athletes. Yes the players are the "product", but without the owners they wouldn't have a game to play.

It could be that the NFLPA views rising rookie salaries as a driver for higher veteran salaries.

The stupidity on the part of the owners to pay huge $$$ for unproven commodities.

That reeruned signing bonus still pays in to union dues...

The average NFL salary is 900,000 dollars. It isn't an exorbitant salary unless you're talking about top tier QBs. Secondly, this viewpoint that "they play a game" keeps getting brought up. Yes, they "play a game", a dangerous game, a game that takes a significant number of years off their lives, and significantly affects the quality of those years they have left. They trade those years for money, and I don't understand why people think they should just take whatever line of bullshit the owners throw at them.

As opposed to a rookie cap with no redistribution of the funds? I'm not saying whether it is a qualified option, I'm just throwing out my opinion.
I also feel that the NFLPA isn't coming from as strong a place as some think. More owners than players are prepared to say "**** you, let's see how long you want to do this" IMHO

Agreed. They don't play a game. They perform a service which generates high revenue. Same as actors or top salesmen or anyone else who has a skill for which people are willing to pay.
OTOH the owners provide the venue without which their skills would be marketless. And those owners can replace players quicker than players can replace owners.
Which is why both sides need to get their stuff together and hammer out an agreement that keeps the golden goose laying.

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I thought this was funny. I'm guessing that the next words out of Jerry Richardson's mouth were, "They call roughing the passer if anyone gets within ten yards of you."

On another note, I'm surprised that Brees and Manning are at the negotiating table. I figured they'd have lawyers and agents there and no one else.

Panthers owner mocks Manning, Brees

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08:05 AM ET 02.14 | Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson may not be invited to dinner any time soon with two of the NFL's top quarterbacks. Richardson mocked quarterbacks Peyton Manning and Drew Brees during a Feb. 5 negotiating session with the NFL Players Association, says three league sources, a sign of disrespect that the union hopes solidifies its members in the pending labor battle with the NFL. "[Richardson] was extremely condescending to them, especially toward Peyton," a source said. ... Apparently, Richardson was particularly sarcastic when Manning started to talk about players' safety. At one point, Richardson evidently said, "What do you know about player safety?"

That rookie pay scale for 1st round picks is a tool to drive up player salaries. When the 1st round picks become the highest paid players at a position that drives up the amount of pay a franchise tagged player gets. Basically it increases the average of the the top five paid players at what ever position the specific player plays. And it happens every year. I don't see the players wanting to give that up.

The Owners are probably trying to distract the players with the percent totals so when they do budge they'll be able to slip the rookie pay scale through. Slight of hand!


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this would be the silver lining to a work stoppage. College football on sundays.

To which Manning should have replied "much more than you know about running a football team"

What officer of the law, military man, or fireman doesn't?

They're all risky professions. You could get hurt, crippled, or killed at any time.


Agreed.

I agree with the percieved "60%" and would back 75% going towards the players if it included health care and retirement.

The end...

ROFL

Actually, Manning said, "Hey Jerry, my ass itches a little. Scratch it with a roll of 500s, will you? Just above and to the right of the anus. Thanks."

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Isn't that is more reason for the owners to correct the problem, not less?

Two of the most popular players in the game get insulted in negotiations and then it's reported to fans? Seems like an easy way to make the owners look like the bad guys. I bet we hear BS like this from both sides till this is resolved.


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I..........not much wants mor to have pump?

That aspect of the rookie salaries was lost on me, apparently. You guys are far wiser than I. My view was overly simplistic like unto a basic bra whereas your opinions are like unto the lacy push-up with nipple reveal.

Still, I have to wonder how the veterans feel about a kid coming out as a Junior getting paid more in a year than they've made throughout their entire career. That's gotta sting a little.

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I've never understood they get paid to play a game crap either. Eminem gets paid 10's of millions a year to sing, and he really hasn't in like 5 years. He never took an NFL hit in his life. He too is the product and gets maybe even 100's of millions a year yet no one is bitching about that.

The law, the military, the fire dept., are not profit operations.

Sorry man, I'm a little slow today. What?

I am.

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AND SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.

Now we're all back to front and center with the easy-to-remove-between-breast or-shoulder-blade-braw argument...

This is the one area I agree with the owners strongly. The rook salary caps needs to be slotted or severely adjusted down till they prove something. BUT the 3 years you can't renegotiate your contract is crap unless the owners take the first 3 years of your contract is guaranteed stance to go with it.

There is insufficient time for me to dive into contract structures. I am easily dumbfounded, but honestly, I'm amazed that the owners/GMs/agents/players have allowed these contracts to evolve into the shell game they have become.

I think that one of the reasons he hasn't yet signed is because Hali is still looking for the pea.

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I wonder if Eminem actually gets 60% of all the revenue?


PhilFree:arrow:

This is going to **** up years of hard work if they don't hammer this deal out.

"Sunday, Donny, is the American day of football. That means I don't turn on the oven, ride in car, spend time with my family, mow the grass, and I sure as shit don't ****ing let my wife think its a day in which she has any control."

The artist usually makes about $1.00 off of a CD sale. So if there are 4 members and they split equally they each make a quarter off of a CD sale.

They make their money from touring. (after they pay the label back any $ borrowed to fund the tour).

I haven't purchased a CD lately but we're talking about $15.00? Yeah he's probably not getting 60% of all revenue generated. Record Companies and Agents.


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Ok, by your logic the average NFL salary being $900,000 coupled with the average NFL career being 3 years....that works out to them making 2.7 million over their careers. Pardon me if I don't get out a hanky to cry for them. I'm pretty sure a high percentage of this board could survive quite well on 2.7 million dollars for 3 years service. You think a police officer or soldier would be ok with that? After all they have pretty dangerous jobs too.

That's a whole other thread and as a matter of fact I think that's BS too, but again that's another thread. I'd rather like to see Eminem take an NFL hit.

2.7 million minus, what, 60 percent taxes? Plus the likelihood that your body's screwed up and hurts all the time and you're probably not going to see 60? How much money policemen or soldiers make isn't relevant, they're not in a business that makes billions of dollars of profit off of their work.

First off you were talking about averages and I hardly think that the average guy making the 2.7 million is going to be physically debilitated forever after just three years. Not only that the average life expectancy of an NFL player is not less than 60. They've only just begun to research any of that and the worst ones are O and D linemen because they're fat.
The policemen and soldiers are only irrelevant because your picking and choosing. You used the analogy of the dangerous aspect of their livelyhood as justification for their salaries. I certainly would think they would fall into that.

I don't have any numbers or stats to back it up, but i would be willing to bet there are more millionaires in the NFL than not and its not from their degrees. So again sorry I don't feel for them.

Probably the same as Redskin players who watched Haynesworth break the bank during a contract year and not bother showing up to help the team all of last year.

Fat Albert got me to wondering if there are any failure to perform clauses in NFL contracts.

I already knew that.

I guess common sense is also optional.

It appears so.

I am really torn on this issue. I don't really feel sorry for players that get paid millions to play a game (and wreck their bodies in many cases, not ignoring that). But at the same time, the owners, by and large, are despicale c**tfaces so I have to side with the players if forced to pick a side.

Not me. Nowhere in the world do the employees get 60% of the revenue.

Where else in the world (outside of professional sports) are the employees also the product being sold?

NBA players get 57 percent, IIRC.