say what?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE&t=116

Watch the video again. You've got it wrong.

[QUOTE=Just Passin' By;7596552]The problem with this is that the middle woman was clinging to her friend and attempting to hold the woman back that the police were after in the first place. The woman in the middle was not just going to get up and out of the way. That would have taken physical force, and they were already attempting to remove the first woman with physical force. It sounds good in theory, but it doesn't always work that way.

I have watched it. He pushes (maybe a slap) her face to get her away AFTER she clearly has her hands on his person. She then goes nutso and hits him repeatedly. He then punches her.

[QUOTE=KCrockaholic;7596568]I tried to clarify my post, but I must have done a poor job.

There were 3 women. By "middle", I meant the one between the camera people and the one engaged by the cop.

This was a booth. the cop was pulling on the black woman who was on the outside of the booth, on the side farthest from the camera in the second video. In the process, he was putting the second woman on that side in position to get crushed and banged. That's not the one I'm talking about, though. I'm talking about the one he ended up slugging. She should either have been removed earlier, or the cop should have waited until another officer was in position.

She had her hands on his collar. And she was shoving his arm to try to get him to let go of the main woman. Well that's called assault on a police officer, and the bitch had it comin.

Hands on his person is not the same as your initial claim. You claimed that she smacked him in the face first, and that he was just responding in kind. That's not true.

ROFL

I was referring to what transpired after he pushed her away. which part are you taking issue with? Him pushing her away or him punching her in the face? Both?

And, aren't cops allowed to use force at higher levels than those they are trying to subdue/arrest? I would think so.

Ok. Now I see what you are saying. It could have been handled in that manner, or at least attempted.....Its another one of those videos that we need to see more of the beginning to fully understand what was going on....And at the same time, the one that got punched wasn't even meant to be involved, and the police weren't there to have an altercation with her, it was with 1 woman apparently. If she minds her own business like a normal person, she never gets punched.

[QUOTE=Just Passin' By;7596584]Exactly. This is the point I was trying to make. They handled the situation poorly.

Normal people don't mind their own business, and there was no excuse for the slap/punch.

Yes, they do.

What would you expect to happen if you were tugging on an officers collar while he was attempting to arrest a citizen?

I think I'm going to become a policeman now. They're clearly untouchable.

Lady in the grey was getting pushed against the wall even though she wasn't resisting or fighting back. All she was saying was that she wasn't doing anything.

Lady in the black tank top tried to push the cop away because the cop was pushing the lady in the grey.

You can clearly see the cop pulling on the lady's hair. Thats when the blank tank top lady starts to push the cop away. Heres a gif of the cop pulling on her hair http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2409099/tootsie-roll-o.gif

Cop smacks lady

She reacts how any reasonable person would react when they've been hit. She fights back.

Cop arrests lady.

If you saw your friend being pulled by her hair by a cop and didn't react...then WTF kind of friend are you?

If you think this, you've must never have left your house and you must never looked at Youtube.

Abnormal people end up on fights on YouTube.

lol he wasn't even pulling her hair. He was pulling on the collar of her jacket. JFC.

Watch the first video, and you can see his hands, are on her jacket, not the hair.

And besides that, it's a moot point of what he was pulling on. SHE WAS RESISTING a police officer. Why is that so hard to comprehend.

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She was resisting the second she failed to leave the booth and comply with the officer.

Normal people don't mind their own business. Those days are long gone in this country.

You don't think that she's resisting arrest here?

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You can see his hands on her head http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9shJZ...eature=related

And how exactly was she resisting? By claiming that she didn't do anything? I mean, when you don't do something...and a cop wants to arrest you, you'll just go and do what he says no matter what?

Errr, yeah.

Uh, yeah.

Otherwise, you're resisting.

As I said earlier, if a cop wants to arrest me, fine. I'll comply, and let my lawyer handle it.

Last thing I'm going to do is argue and potentially escalate the issue.

That line of thinking has gotten me through 38 years without any scrapes with the law. Shocking, I know.

JFC

You are unreal. The only nice way I can put it.

But apparently you should just resist if you didn't do anything wrong.

A lot of drunk people claim that they aren't doing something, when they really are. You think that this cop just randomly selected the woman in grey to arrest for no reason?

LMAO

I didn't do anything wrong, but I'm going to resist arrest, which is, wait for it...

Wrong.

I will retract my view if it was deemed that the arrest was lawful, but as for now, she did nothing wrong.

http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm

According to the article I posted earlier, a witness said the women at the table were creating a disturbance and refused to leave.

We don't know the backstory. You don't know that she did nothing wrong, and I don't know if she did anything wrong.

Haha...dumb ****ing broad.

The trespassing charge would infer that the cops were called to remove her from the business.

But, she wasn't doing anything wrong.

Worst situational analysis ever. And you even have the benefit of video from two different angles.

So she wasn't getting her head pulled on?


If she was indeed trespassing, then it was a lawful arrest, but if not, then it was an unlawful arrest which gives her the right to resist.

LMAO

So you do think the cop randomly came to the IHOP and selected her for random harassment?

ROFL Wow, you're a ****ing moron.

How?

No, it was her arm. Because the cop was trying to extract her from the booth. Because the owner of the establishment wanted them gone.

And no, you never have the RIGHT to resist arrest.

I'm just going off what I've seen in the video and whats in the articles. Beyond that, both of us are just guessing what actually happened.

Jesus ****.

She was charged with trespassing, and witnesses claim they were causing a disturbance and asked to leave before the cops were called, and didn't.

"If she was indeed trespassing?"

You make the Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer look like Robert ****ing Shapiro.

No his hands are clearly on her head.

http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm

Word.

A drunk person claiming that they did nothing wrong? I'm stunned.

If you think that the cop just randomly showed up and selected her for arresting, that's fine.

don't dish it out if you can't take it...simple as that really.

I suppose you were born that way. The next time you see your mom, you need to punch her in the face.

There's enough information just in this thread and the two videos to prove your analysis wrong.

1. The friend that is getting smashed against the wall is getting smashed because the fool on the outside is trying to not be extracted from the booth by a cop, in uniform.

2. The dumbass in the black dress injects herself into the situation for no reason, then puts her hands on a cop.

3. He pushes her away to focus his attention on the woman he's trying to extract, who is has by the arm. The woman he pushes goes ape shit, so he hits her once then changes his focus to her because she's now an immediate threat.

There's not a lot of guessing to be done.

I say you go and try that and see how it works for you. Hopefully they'll let you on the 'net from death row to post the results.

Wait...so the cop was off duty?

http://www.therepublic.com/view/stor...Officer-Video/

You're incorrect here.

It should work out in my favor since it is...you know...the law.

Why are you clinging to this unlawful arrest bullshit?

It's been established she was asked to leave, and didn't.

That's trespassing.

Yeah, but those facts totally disprove his argument and are therefor inconvenient and to be ignored.

Oh, in that post, I wasn't speaking about this incident. He asked me to try it. I was just saying that if I did feel that I did nothing wrong, then I would resist.

Why are all of these in black places?

Nice :doh!:

I don't know, why do cops only do this stuff to black people?

To much time in the birth canal, without oxygen? :shrug:

Lesson learned: Grab an officer, expect to get slapped. Throw 3 punches at him, expect to get punched back.

Heh, I have never been in a street fight with a cop, but they walked into my self defense class all the time. Most of them were good guys, but I would run into the one about once every two weeks, that thought he was a bad ass and would want to go full contact. Most of those guys never showed up again.

:spock:

We should allow drunks to punch cops. That's what she wanted to do.

If there was a magical device that could stun people then i guess we might be using it instead but until then i say let the cops win.

Ummmm...has anyone ever told you that you're kind of a BIG sumbitch? I wouldn't show up again either! ROFL

Maybe, in your fantasy world, that's exactly how it happened. In reality, she didn't punch him until after he'd hit her.

Meh, I've mellowed out. :)

ROFL

thats funny. love the meatheads, usually rooks.
I know I don't have to be the baddest mother****er on the street, thats why I carry guns, tazer, pepper spray, knives, radio....

Big "mellow" punches still hurt worse than "drunk haymakers". I'll take my chances with the drunk dipshits. :thumb:

Well, you may have that chance, considering your soon to be location. Three bars, huh? :hmmm:

:thumb:

So...it's not cool to "Rodney King" someone anymore?:evil:

Yeah...I'm not looking forward to going out solo surrounded by drunk miners. I'll need to find the crowd with lids to befriend.

I deal with the Stillwater boys all the time. For the most part, they're really good guys. Just get a tune on that ATV of yours because old Bwana will be up your way. On a side note, the Boulder also has some sweet fishing. There's some hawg's in that river.

I've been in that situation before, and while I would never dream of putting my hands on a woman.. If I were in that situation again, I would punch that bitch right in the ****ing face as many times as it took to get her under control.

I think a lot of times, police go overboard, and instead of trying to defuse a situation they only add fuel to the fire by being assholes. I'm not sure if that was the case or not, but the woman threw a punch at him after he tried to grab her. She deserved what she got.

Shoot her in her interfering face.

I have a couple buddies that work the mine, but they all hang in Blgs.

May have to get another ATV. Mine started knocking and smoking. I'm waiting to see what the mechanic says.

She threw the punch after she got hit first.
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What the hell did you do to it, Hot Rod? :eek:

It looked pretty obvious to me that he was trying to grab her.

I wish I knew. I never have babied it and it's been good to me.

:spock:

He wasn't trying to grab her.