Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7797714)

They need someone who can actually anchor that DE spot and right now they have 1 guy with potential but he's a rook (Bailey) and another guy who's made getting pushed 2-5 yards off the LOS a favorite hobby of his.

Then they have a 35 year old Gregg who played second fiddle to a 350 lb Ravens superstar and now they're asking him to be "the man".

Not to mention they still haven't found the answer at OLB.

We're what, 2 weeks away from the first preseason game and we have exactly the same holes that we started with +1.

Yeah...I don't feel good about this at all.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7797714)

They need someone who can actually anchor that DE spot and right now they have 1 guy with potential but he's a rook (Bailey) and another guy who's made getting pushed 2-5 yards off the LOS a favorite hobby of his.

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 7797738)

You guys are trashing what was a perfectly good Broncos' bashing thread... please step away.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 7797728)

How is replacing Edwards with Gregg not fixing a hole? And did you really think we'd have an answer at OLB before preseason games started? When we drafted Houston, everyone knew it would be a competition between him and Studebaker. So of course they haven't found an answer yet. They've been in camp for less than a week.

I'm not worried about the D-line. I'd take Gregg over Edwards any day at any age.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7797739)

Jackson will be fine. If he's not, Gilberry will take his job. Bailey's the other depth.

That's the way I see it at least. One of my fantasies is that they land Ngata next offseason, but I'd say the odds of that are slim.

As far as Gregg being 35, there may not be a position anywhere on the field where age means less than nose tackle. My belief is that he's going to be an improvement over Edwards, quite possibly a massive one. We haven't had a player here like him before. His weight isn't that much more than Edwards was, but he's much lower to the ground and difficult to move. I never understood playing Edwards at the nose, never thought he fit the position. Gregg does.Maybe they have, maybe they haven't. Kind of hard to tell when Hali's sitting home and Houston's off doing...whatever it is he's doing right now. I'm not the biggest Studebaker fan, but I'd like to think between him, Houston and Sheffield they can match Vrabel's talent on the field, such as it was. Leadership is another issue. But that's another thread.

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 7797738)

You guys are trashing what was a perfectly good Broncos' bashing thread... please step away.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7797739)

J I'm not the biggest Studebaker fan, but I'd like to think between him, Houston and Sheffield they can match Vrabel's talent on the field, such as it was. Leadership is another issue. But that's another thread.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7797743)

Gregg is 35 years old and was a back up.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7797761)

That's one piss-poor bar to set, is it not? Vrabel or Stude is a false choice; the market left a bunch of other available options for us. Do you believe Stude/Sheffield/Houston could approach Lawson's talent on the field? And Lawson's been known as a good character guy in his own right.

If we get Roth, I'll be less frustrated by this offseason in that it will suggest that the Chiefs determined that Lawson just wasn't as good a fit as Roth. But I don't see anything to suggest we'll get Roth. I fully expect him to sign a 1 year deal for less than $3 million somewhere and we'll run 'the kids' out there and likely lose a game on account of it.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 7797769)

Why did he make so much more sense there? Because he was a vet? If Houston is coming in, I'd rather have him. Do people forget that Houston was supposed to be a 1st round pick?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7797793)

Because Lawson was a first round pick himself, was considered a highly effective pass rusher (if underutilized), a plus coverage backer and was very very strong at sealing off the edge in the rushing game - essentially the perfect player for the Ted backer position. Not to mention the fact that Lawson also has phenomenal measurables for the role.

I don't care that Houston was 'supposed' to be a first rounder - Lawson was one and has been a proven player at the NFL level. He's also still a young veteran player that could've provided very good leadership to a guy like Stude or Houston while not being a broke-dick like Vrabel.

And again - if he doesn't work out, you cut his ass. The downside to taking Lawson in on a 1 yr deal was precisely zero. He was a great fit for the defense w/ a reasonable pricetag (and a very reasonable length). Not getting him is pretty shitty.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7797214)

Harbaugh from the Ravens publicly said they wanted Gregg back and had an offer on the table for him...but we outbid them for his services.

The Jets also had an offer on the table that Harbaugh was aware of that he referenced...thats two playoff teams with superbowl aspirations.

I think Lawson would have been a good signing as strictly a player...but nobody here knows why NOBODY wanted him and he was forced to take a lowball deal from a lowball franchise....all Im saying is there is OBVIOUSLY something out there that made teams stay away. Not sure why you got mad about that, but whatever...I guess some here get a little too emotionally invested into disliking Pioli and falling in love with their own takes on players.

That whole paragraph about Franklin is crap. NFL teams obviously dont agree with you on this, not just poor old Pioli and his cheapass handler.

You are right though, I will stop talking about Franklin now....he only got a 1 year deal from a 4-3 team...even when other guys like Barry Coefield got big money long term contracts with 3-4 teams. FTR he was on a 1 year deal last year when he shit the bed...a one year deal worth almost 8 million dollars and if he showed up and proved he was worth it, he might have made 50 million on a long term contract with the Redskins....he didnt and he had to settle for another year of "prove it"

Lamar Hunt pushed the salary cap limit almost every year.

Nice job pissing on his grave though.

classy

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7797846)

obviously they didnt feel like you do here.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7797903)

Or they didn't feel like paying for him. Or maybe they did and Pioli failed to get it done.

Given his size, speed and performance to date; the latter possibilities certainly seem more likely.

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7797924)

So, everyone wanted Powe and Houston, but want to sign guys that would pretty much bury them on the depth chart...ok.

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 7797957)

umm ... Powe is probably going to take a year or two before he's ready.

Houston hasn't sign yet and is missing out on the coaching that could get him ready for early play.

so what's your problem again?

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7797964)

Platooning with a vet like Gregg is probably ideal for Powe. He'll get PT without being forced to do too much.

I have no idea why Houston hasn't signed, but he'll have a similar issue when he does sign. Studebaker will start, but he'll gain valuable experience without being rushed.

So what's your problem again?

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 7798023)

:doh!:

you're the one who was yelling at people about wanting to sign players that push Houston/Powe down the depth chart, not me.

glad you've changed your mind

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7797793)

Because Lawson was a first round pick himself, was considered a highly effective pass rusher (if underutilized), a plus coverage backer and was very very strong at sealing off the edge in the rushing game - essentially the perfect player for the Ted backer position. Not to mention the fact that Lawson also has phenomenal measurables for the role.

I don't care that Houston was 'supposed' to be a first rounder - Lawson was one and has been a proven player at the NFL level. He's also still a young veteran player that could've provided very good leadership to a guy like Stude or Houston while not being a broke-dick like Vrabel.

And again - if he doesn't work out, you cut his ass. The downside to taking Lawson in on a 1 yr deal was precisely zero. He was a great fit for the defense w/ a reasonable pricetag (and a very reasonable length). Not getting him is pretty shitty.

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 7797957)

umm ... Powe is probably going to take a year or two before he's ready.

Houston hasn't sign yet and is missing out on the coaching that could get him ready for early play.

so what's your problem again?

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 7798102)

Manny lawson is considered a below average type of pass rusher, who's good in coverage.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7798255)

There have been several reports in the last season or two, most notably the PFT one (I believe it was PFT anyway) that had him ranked among the more efficient pass rushers in the league, he simply wasn't sent on the blitz that often. His technique isn't great, but in a 2 gap system he can let the front 3 lockup the blockers and rely on his athleticism; he'd be a more effective rusher here than he was in SF by a lot, IMO.

Having a guy like that across from Hali - someone that could blitz effectively and will thus require the defense's attention but who is also very effective in space - would've been a fantastic addition to the entire defense. It would've made everyone more effective in their respective roles.

His was a bad miss.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 7798385)

He's been a poor pass rusher to this point in his career, and PFF claims to the contrary mean nothing to me, since that site is garbage.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7798403)

Unless Pioli had signed him.

Then I'm betting you'd be right on board with them.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7798403)

Unless Pioli had signed him.

Then I'm betting you'd be right on board with them.