You mean that same cupcake schedule the entire AFC West had, minus two games? Shut the **** up with this shit already. Sour grapes, troll.

And it's got to be a bitch knowing you swept the division and still couldn't get over .500.

The Faid lost to not only the Cardinals, but also the Niners ROFL Who's to say those other bottom feeders wouldn't have stomped your ass as well?

Summers Eve is just bitter because his joke of an organization can't hold on to their free agents. Nobody wants to come play in Chokeland.

Those are your "gimmies?" Beating the Steelers & sweeping the Raiders? Now that is confidence!

Steelers are lights out against the rush & allowed the fewest points of any team. Oakland lost Miller & gained Boss - not too much of a loss. Losing Nnamdi will hurt... but you also say that Nnamdi isn't much of a factor when playing the Chiefs. Calling victories in those 3 games.... you a true fan!

I still think yet another coaching change is going to be the big deal with you guys. Al seems committed to screwing things up any way he can.

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What makes you so confident that the Broncos will somehow be better than a team they finished 6 games behind in a 16-game season last year? What have they done this offseason that is going to make them 7 wins better?

New high tech cooking spray that hits the market in late 2011.

You think the dude is actually smart enough to add up two numbers? He just got out of jail; give him a break.

put your money where your mouth is, you donkey little shit.

seriously tho, there isnt 1 position where Denver is stronger than the Chiefs

Not as big of a deal as a complete coaching change. It was Hue Jackson's offense in 2010, not Cable's. Under Cable in 2009, the Raiders offense ranked 31st in both yardage and scoring. In 2010, Hue's offense took them to 10th in yardage and 6th in scoring. It'll be the same guy calling the plays in the same offense. Understandably, ChiefsFanz choose to think that the coaching "change" will send the team back to square 1 & all of the draft picks will be busts & none of the FA's will help & the losses are so devastating that the team that swept the division is so weakened that it has fallen below Denver. Understandably, RaiderFanz think that is an exaggeration.....

Uh, running back? Knowshon Moreno is unstoppable. Jamaal Charles sucks cause he is too small to get carries.

With the size of the rivalry it is understood that someone's going to call them garbage almost immediately. The only thing better than watching the Raiders fall apart is the chest pounding that comes with saying I told you so first.

I'm sure it works the same way from your end as well.

Punter

Now, now. Didn't say that, did I?

You hear a lot of Chiefs fans talking about how much more difficult their schedule is. And unfortunately for the west that's true for the entire division. Which is why it's so entertaining seeing a donkey fan predicting 11-5 after they won 4 games with a much easier schedule. I think they're going to be lucky not to draft #1 next April.

With you guys, I think this was a bad time for the coaching carousel to continue. Maybe they can mitigate the impact of that. Maybe they can't. As far as the offense goes, I'm curious to see how the line is. As far as the team goes, I'm curious to see what their identity is; I thought Cable had you guys on the right track, which is one of the reasons I disliked the move. Either way, I think you're in the same boat we are: you're going to have to improve a lot just to match last year's performance, looking at your schedule. Getting into the 10 win range would mean you guys have taken a big, big step.

I think it's going to be an interesting year for the west. I'm honestly not sure how I feel about any of the teams right now. Although I don't think you guys are going to sweep again. That's a real rarity, and an opportunity your squad really failed to cash in on in 2010. Which means you're going to have to win some games out of the division. And I'm not sure which those would be. The Bills maybe, except it's on the road. Road games are almost never easy. The Texans? Ditto, and I think they'll be better defensively. Vikings? I don't know about that one. Seems tough. Dolphins? Probably. Packers? Doubt it, at Lambeau. Patriots and Bears at home will be tough, I think the best you can hope for is a split. That leaves Cleveland and Detroit at the Hole. You'd like to sweep, but I think Detroit's going to be a handful if Stafford stays upright. Oh, I missed one. Jets at your house. Tough.

Say you go 4-2 in the division. I think that would be optimistic, even after last year, but I'll give you that just for the sake of argument. Split with two teams, sweep the third. Where are the rest of your wins?

(Obviously the same question all 4 of us are asking in 2011...)

There were also games where one play or call or incorrect call cost us the W.

It goes both ways. What ifs can be fun, but are almost always dipped in BS.

Cable actually had the Raiders coming together as a team, at least that was the way it appeared to be heading. When was the last tiem you could say that about a Raiders team? The Gruden years?

You would like to think so......But when you have the added responsibilities that come along with being a head coach, you cannot realistically say its the 'same guy.' He wont be able to give play calling the same effort that he did last season......If he gives 100% to it, theres not enough % for the rest of the things that will be needed to get the job done. Sorry....but someone is going to have to step up.

My prediction is that the Chargers will take the division with ease next season.
I will explain my reasoning tomorrow.
(those who do not drink their associated team's Kool Aid already know the reason).

So that means you don't already know the reason, but you'll come up with something by tomorrow? Is there some time limit on bolt kool-aid?

Not you - I was thinking of Sensible's prediction that KC will split with the Donks but sweep the Raiders. Seems a reach that Denver will suddenly be so much stronger than Oakland after we annihilated them so severely last season. You'd have to believe that the 2010 Raiders were just devastated by offseason moves.


If we were all equally honest... we'd have to say the same thing. But that would make for a boring CP....

I prefer October Fart. But to each his own. ;)

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Chiefs will probably go 20-0 this year.

I say no.

I love what we've done. Foundation is solid. We're building the lines (on O and D.)

We're adding edge rushers and playmakers on offense.

Love it.

But it won't all come together overnight...

I haven't decided yet if KnowMo smokes some really good shit or if the paint chips he ate as a kid are coming into play.

We only need one reason to believe in our teams chances....Norv.

Realistically speaking, the schedule is just brutal. We could be a better team than last year and still struggle mightily to win 7 games.

I'm thinking 6-10, 7-9. I'll be frankly surprised if they have more than 7 wins. Depends on if San Diego has injuries. If Phyllis goes down they're hosed. Of course, same is true for us with Cassel.

I think we'll be alright if Cassel goes down, as long as it isn't in the first 6 or 7 games.

There's your problem. Stop being a negative nancy.

Glad someone took over Clays old job.

Means 10-12.

This is Haley's last year as coach! He will be fired after a very lackluster season!

You should find the forum for the team that Croyle signed with.























































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Never mind.

This.

I doubt every playoff team is as good as last year but I doubt all six of them that we play are worse. Hell, some will be even better...

The thing with the schedule this early is you just never know how it will turn out. I mean the Packers who I think will be very good again could have a SB hangover somewhat like the Saints and although play well not be unbeatable. An injury here or there and who knows. Will Manning be what he has been? Probably but with a neck injury you never know. The Bears are solid but i don't think anyone would argue that they are beatable. The Lions look to be good but who knows. They could be similar to the Texans who were supposed to be good the last few years but never pan out. I wouldn't rule out more than 8 wins or less. Thats why the NFL is so great.

Everyone knew the Chiefs schedule was weak going into last year and guess what, it was weak once the season started.

And the Donkey's wasn't?

Holy Jesus, you are a moron.

Well they played the Ravens and Jets instead of the Browns and Bills.

If they had played the Browns and Bills, they would have went 10-6 just like us.




Errr....wait...

Just wondering what excuse you will use if the Chiefs to go say 10-6 and win the division?

yeah the schedule was weak but we took advantage. It happens I guess when you win 10 games in three years that you get an easy schedule.

Wow.... "I think" means 'gimme'. If it were in Pittsburg, I wouldn't think the Chiefs had a chance. It is at home. And, the Steelers weren't really blowing doors off of teams last year. They haven't added any big pieces, and the defense is getting old. The Chiefs corners should match up well, and the Steelers offensive line is bailed out by Big Ben. I just 'think' the Chiefs win that game.

Now, onto the Raiders. For all of Cable's flaws, he got that team to play harder than they have in a long time. I don't have the same faith in Jackson. I think there will be growing pains with Jackson. Jackson is a first time head coach.

Boss is not on the same level, and you are kidding yourself if you think he is.

As far as the loss of Nnamdi, he shut down half of the field. He made your entire defense better. The Chiefs....err... every team in the NFL will be able to exploit your secondary.

Now, lets look at Denver. Fox has been a head coach. He is a defensive minded coach that should be able to get the woeful defense to play better. The offense is clearly a step ahead of Oakland with Kyle Orton.

We will see what happens. I just see the Raiders lose two big pieces and the best head coach they have had in a while.

I see the Broncos trade an awful head coach for a proven guy. I guess I just put more stock in coaching than you do.

Of course, then again, you are a Raiders fan.... so I guess you get that from uncle Al.

You know, despite the fact that we've got a tough schedule ahead of us, according to last year's standings, I really think that if we can improve on our fundamentals from last year (didn't see it in the first preseason game sadly), we'll actually be able to be really competitive against the schedule we were given, including that brutal 5 week stretch.

As long as we can wrap up on defense, get penetration, and then convert 3rd downs on Offense, we're going to be a pretty tough team ourselves.

Even if we don't, I think we'll be a better team than last year.

No question about that. Less than 8-8 would be disappointing but the record this year MAY not indicate the true strength of the team.

I love everyone that thinks we are going to sweep the division. We will probably go 3-3 in the division. It doesn't matter how good or bad the other team is. Division games are never a gimme.

I think we will slip a little this year, but not far. 9-7 is my guess.

It'll probably be enough to win the division again :D

Much of what you say makes sense, Sensible. But I still say its really a stretch to suggest that momentum has shifted so severely this offseason that Denver will be a better team than Oakland. Here's a different take on Raider coaching from the Senior Analyst at NFL.com:

Raiders have reason to think playoffs with Jackson at the helm - By Gil Brandt NFL.com

NAPA, Calif. -- Getting to go to certain training camps year after year, you really have a chance to evaluate the current version of a team vs. what you saw the prior season. In the three practices that I've seen, the Oakland Raiders seem like a team ready to accomplish something in 2011. I'm not sold on the San Diego Chargers bouncing back this season and the Kansas City Chiefs could take a step back after winning the AFC West last season. That's where the Raiders come in. Hue Jackson's team is ready to make a playoff run. You see the attitude adjustment in camp with him as the head coach and with his two new coordinators. One thing that seems to have changed under Jackson is the physical demand on players. They appear to be working harder and hustling more between drills. It's not a 75 percent jog that's been the case in years past; it's a 110 percent all the time. Jackson's rallying cry for the team this year is to be the "bully on the block." The Raiders are well on their way to living up to the slogan, and here are some reasons why they could win the AFC West this season.

Campbell taking the next step: It appears Jason Campbell is ready to thrive with new offensive coordinator Al Saunders, who has nearly 30 years of NFL coaching experience. Saunders is really good at doing things to make quarterbacks better. He won't call the plays for Campbell, Jackson will, but the foundation for success is in place. Don't forget, Campbell didn't play poorly last season and has 22 more touchdown passes than interceptions in his career.

More weapons on offense: The receiving corps isn't the best group in the league, but it's capable enough to make Campbell a better quarterback. The Raiders want to run the ball -- they had the second-ranked ground game in 2010 -- but they have more weapons in the passing game. Jacoby Ford had a pretty darn good rookie year and should only get better. He's so much more confident than he was last season. Louis Murphy is a pretty good receiver, while Darrius Heyward-Bey always looks like he's ready for the next step -- but potential hasn't led to production yet. Marcel Reece really creates matchup problems out of the backfield because he's a former wide receiver playing fullback. He can run, catch and his speed makes a him a tough cover. Fifth-round pick Denarius Moore can run a sub-4.4 second 40-yard dash and really runs good routes. A lot of fast guys can't get out of their breaks, but he can. He could have an immediate impact. He's also good on kick returns. He had a long one called back in the Raiders' preseason opener against the Arizona Cardinals. The Raiders lost Pro Bowl tight end Zach Miller in free agency, but Kevin Boss is a pretty even exchange. Sixth-round pick Richard Gordon is going to give them a great blocking tight end. That should help their running game.

Defense taking shape: The defense is anchored by veteran Richard Seymour. He's the leader of every drill, running around like a rookie who's trying to make the team. As a whole, the defense has a good mix of veterans with younger guys like Rolando McClain and Lamarr Houston, which usually leads to success. Speaking of McClain, he's dropped 10 pounds from last year and is really moving well. He came in as a rookie with an attitude off a national title team like he had nothing to prove. That's gone now. Stanford Routt takes over the role of the team's top cornerback for the departed Nnamdi Asomugha. Third-round pick DeMarcus Van Dyke, who has impressed and can hold his own in man coverage, could be an early contributor. He's a young guy with talent who gets to learn the ins and outs of the game from a Hall of Famer in Rod Woodson, the Raiders cornerback coach.

Impact special teams can make: The third phase of the game is often overlooked, but the Raiders have a great punter (Shane Lechler), kicker (Sebastian Janikowski) and return man (Jacoby Ford). Special teams can make a difference in close games, just ask the Chargers. The Raiders went 6-0 in the division last season in part because of what the unit provided.

The Raiders recieving corp is awful.

KC Chiefs: We're Not As Good As Them



...but don't criticize our players or coaches because they're all awesome....just, you know, not that good....but awesome! don't criticize them...

It is an upgrade and will be seamless. They are still a team with glaring holes but they are better off with Jackson. As far as the west I have no idea, I would not be surprised to see Oak, KC, or the bolts win it~

I voted for No cause I don't think they will win "exactly" 8 games. Bad wording of poll question btw. I'm going for 16 just for spite cause of the stupid wording of this question. :D

Thats the spirit ;)

I have never been more confident with a bet. KC will be lucky to win 5 games. Can't wait til Oakland pounds your guys heads down in the mud.

Wow..... look at the names on that....

A few differing opinions just one month ago huh?

A lot of people have jumped off the 8 win ship....

This place is like a Soap Opera... Days of our Planet...

153 dumbasses. Except for bwana. He and MoHillbilly are upstanding, wonderful people who wouldn't even pause to piss on the run-of-the-mill dumbass.

I picked 11-5....

Well that could of went up in smoke now...

How many wins did you say they'd have before the season?

And I said before it started, it's to be expected that some teams that made a huge rebound after a terrible season come back to earth for a season and then take off for a while.

Why does the autumn wind smell like it came from the southern hemisphere?

I said that our schedule was incredibly tough. I mean, ****, opening at home with the Bills?

You think that shit's tough? The Rams faced the Eagles at home, get to face Giants, Packers, Steelers on the road, Saints and Ravens at home, and the Cowboys on the road.

Though, the Chiefs don't exactly have an easy schedule either...

they play themselves at home?

How does that work? :hmmm:

LMAO.

First one was saying the Rams faced the Eagles at home. 2nd one was meant to be Ravens.

So you go from it starts by being able to read to LMAO?

:hmmm:

at myself.

Go Avs.

CP has 3 moderators who are Avalanche fans.

Thus eliminates the Go Blues post.

No way we win 8. We will be lucky to win 5.

LMAO

LMAO

ESPN put the over/under at 6

I voted yes. :facepalm:

I can't remember which way I voted. But I would totally say less than 8 now because the Chiefs lost 2 starters to injury. We all know that's impossible to overcome.:rolleyes:
(I probably voted less than 8 to be a dick)

I still believe this notice shit talk before the fact.

My money in Vegas looking good.

damn, I voted yes. =(