|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Copper never "gets by". He is and has always been a lock to make the roster in all of Haley's seasons due to his ability on special teams. That's why he's on the roster and why he won't be taken out unless we find a younger player more adept at special teams than he is. His role on the team has never been molded as a 4th WR or go-to guy. He's a veteran who does his job, and sometimes contributes on offense as a blocking WR. If he gets lucky, he will get a few table scraps here and there. Quit dreaming of the Chiefs finding the next Miles Austin. Tucker is not that guy. Neither will it be any of their undrafted receivers for a long time. That kind of player is a RARITY. It doesn't happen very ****ing often. Get used to it. Copper is actually worth something to the team. Therefore, he stays. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
I don't expect Bair to stick on the 53 very long. They need another OL like a combo G/C like Nick McDonald from GB or Zane Taylor from the Jets, both who got waived. Possibly Lemuel JeanPierre who was w/KC last year until the cutdown and went on to Seattle's PS. Haven't seen their cuts yet but it's a safe bet since Cable took over the OL and switched it over to a bigger OL power scheme and Lem JP fits the zone system like KC runs.
It's pretty rare to see them keep 8 DL. Sometimes if they got a guy like Bair who they really want to keep and think he won't clear waivers they keep them on the 53 for a few days or even weeks until teams establish their PS and then waive him. Teams do that if they are paranoid enough he won't clear. Then if he does he would get a salary pretty close to that he would have if he stayed on the 53 b/c they don't have a max on PS player contracts. They get them to stick around because of that contract flexibility when teams offer to sign them off the PS onto another teams roster. Just a guess anyway. |
Quote:
|
Copper is nails on ST. Thats why he's on the team. Why do so many of you not get this?
|
My thinking was I didn't want to see all 3 of Urban, Colbert, and Copper. 2 but not all 3. I figured Copper was safe but thought if they could choose either Urban or Colbert and keep Tucker that would be the best way to go. Tucker was playing very well as a gunner and had like 14 tackles on sp. teams in 11 games. Didn't look like a future star or anything close to it as a WR but made progress when taking over for Chambers.
This pre season it looked like he did improve as a WR getting separation and showed a little quick twitch after the catch. Had some troubles w/drops but he sure wasn't the only one. I just thought he deserved one of the last 2 spots and could take over Copper's role fulltime in the next year or 2 when he slows down. Don't get to see the practices and all that obviously. Plus with what they kept at TE i don't expect them to catch too many balls with who they have now. Don't even know when O'Connell will return from injury and he is the most athletic pass catcher they have at the moment. That could explain only devoting 1 of the 6 WR spots to a special teamer. I think Horne will most likely clear waivers and be a decent guy to develop. It's not out of the question Tucker makes it back to the PS either. Just depends on what teams needs are. |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
Quote:
Signed, 2010 Chargers |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Moeaki on IR, isn't there a new IR rule this year that makes it all season?
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
There's a stat for ya. Would you rather have that or some shitty Richard Smith/JJ Moses dork who can't do any one thing well? |
I love when noobs come out of the woodwork on days like today. There's a reason you lurk except for 2 times a year --- it's because you suck.
|
Quote:
SPECIAL TEAM STATS: Verran Tucker had 4 kick returns for 73 yards and a 18.3 average. Terrance Copper had 2 kick returns for 26 yards and a 13.0 average. Defensively they both recorded 14 total tackles with Verran having 12 tackles and 2 assist's and Copper having 11 tackles with 3 assists. Verran also had a fumble recovery... I recall you telling me that I talk straight from my anus when I said Tucker can replace Copper with so much more potential. He already kicked his ass in stats both receiving but also in special teams. Verran>Copper. Get over it. |
Quote:
As for the rest of your nonsense about "we have to give Tucker a chance!" Players who are promising often show flashes of greatness... what they can do when everything goes right. Well, I've never seen Tucker flash greatness. Not once in preseason, training camp, or even last year when he started a bunch of games. He's going to be great you say? Why have I never seen him abuse his man with a really crisp route? Why have I never seen him show blazing quickness down the middle or upfield? Why have I never seen him play well on special teams? Why have I never seen him show consistency in his hands? As far as Miles Austin is concerned, he entered the league in 2006 as RETURNER. He made the team as RETURNER. And when he flashed greatness he did it as a RETURNER IN THE PLAYOFFS in 2006. By 2008 he worked his way up to 3rd on the depth chart. The Cowboys never said, "Duuhhhrr... what if he ends up being really good? We need to keep him." They kept him because he served a role on the team. He actually did something. Tucker ISN'T GOOD ON SPECIAL TEAMS. I don't know why you insist that he is. He's not. Look at all of his games. He's immature as a receiver. He'll probably be back next year, dude. Because I'll bet you that there won't be a single goddamn team out there who will sign him. Not one. |
Quote:
Tucker did show flashes as a receiver, and he might one day contribute to a team, maybe even KC. I get why Copper is on the team, and have no problem with that. But Tucker does appear to have some upside as a receiver. |
Quote:
Until then, he's not the best option we have at that last receiver spot. Maybe if/when Urban gets injured like he always does we'll give him a call. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
Stats mean jack. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
What you have to watch is how they manage their lanes and handle bockers. Copper is always in position to either make the tackle, or redirect the returner to heavier punt coverage. Tucker gets a lot of his tackles because he let the returner run by him, through his lane, and has to catch up from behind. |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
That said, there are intangibles that we do not see and the coaches who see the players every day do. |
Quote:
|
Milk, sorry but that argument seems very thin. I hardly believe you study special teams enough to pull this observation from your hat. It sounds good, but is also easily stated without anyone having a care enough in the world to check the facts. Again, I respect you and your views, but I'm calling bullshit on this one. Weathered and respected here as you are, you've earned the right to spout a bit of bullshit here and there.
That said, I like Tucker. He flashed well as a receiver, but Boog was on the head. His problem is he hasn't always been consistent catching the ball. If he had caught more of the passes that hit him right in the hands, especially the jump ball in the endzone, he might have a roster spot right now. His route running improved from last year, and his ability to turn and run up field was great. Hopefully, if he makes it to camp with us next year, he comes with an improved set of hands. Someone mentioned Horne earlier as a possible PS project. I think Horne was one of, if not the worst receiver in camp. Couldn't catch a cold. Wonder how many perfectly placed Stanzi passes he dropped this preseason? |
Quote:
This argument is about the reason that Copper makes the team due to STs play, not because of receiving skills. You're right about the dropped balls costing him. But just last night, you see Copper stay in his lane on a punt return, and the returner turned into the middle of the field, where hes met by a slew of tacklers. A couple of punts later, you see Tucker run right by the returner, and he's able to get to the outside for a good return. Tucker didn't stay in his lane. He tried to get around a blocker, leaving his lane, rather than take on the blocker in his lane. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
I can't believe we cut Tucker for a trio of turds like Copper, Urban and Colbert. Half our WR corps has zero potential.
|
I will laugh my ass off as McCluster has more yards than Tucker
Posted via Mobile Device |
Quote:
Of course he'll have more yards...Tucker, as of this point, is out of professional football. |
It appears our season is doomed now that we don't have Tucker.
Where was all this love during the preseason/training camp? Nobody came forward in support of Tucker. Nobody even remarked anything about the supposed improvements he made in his route running (I really didn't notice). All we did was bitch at him when he couldn't catch the damn ball. Well now the invisible man has been cut, and NOW people bitch. I don't get it. |
Tucker was a deep ball threat who clearly had skill (see the game against Oakland last year). It's bullshit that he was cut.
|
Quote:
He apparently has more upside as a reciever, but he has to improve his catching ability. He'll probably get signed to the practice squad if he isn't picked up by anyone else. But his hands were a problem last season and that problem reared it's ugly head this preseason, and until he can become more reliable, he's a liability. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
The guy was a rookie last year....I hope he's signed to the PS. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
He'd be the 4th receiver, at best. Bowe Baldwin Breaston Urban/Colbert Copper/Colbert Tucker |
Quote:
I think, should Tucker make it to the PS, he'll eventually replace Urban, if he can fix his hands. |
Quote:
Quote:
And a big WTF on our drafted FB. I figured he'd be the the complimentary short yardage banger. I saw no reason to keep Battle after his annual spat of preseason fumbles... |
Quote:
Special Teams = Field Position Sure I hated watching Copper do the same ol same ol but I also know this guy is a very good ST gunner. Don't give a sh** how good your "O" or your "D" are, if your STs aren't performing they just give back the majority of field position/points of what your "O" and "D" just accomplished. Just ask the 2010 San Diego Chicks-And we saw it the very first game of that year!!! |
Are you morons really arguing over a special teams player?
|
Quote:
Boom! You've just been classic CP response'd. Suck it! |
Quote:
|
Quote:
With all the Tucker vs. Copper stuff going on, does everyone think Colbert should be here over Tucker? Or does the fact that Haley seems to love him just put him in the Urban category? |
Bannon was worse than Battle
you can be big and look like Bannon but he still looked like a lost idiot out there, he whiffed on so many blocks, the game was just too fast for him. He was bad |
Quote:
|
| All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:01 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
