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O.city 11-08-2011 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8093320)
The 49ers are a 90s Chiefs clone. You couldn't make that team any more like the 90s Chiefs. You should know how this script ends.

Bingo. They run the ball, play good d, and tell the qb not to **** up too bad. Remind you of anything?

BossChief 11-08-2011 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093272)
No one replied or said anything about it so I'll ask again: What would be everyone's thought about trying to get Mallett from the Pats? You could keep most of this years draft to add more talent and get a guy that already is better and has more potential than our qb does.

Again I like some aspects of this and don't like some. Just throwing it out there.

Ive said this the last few times Ive chosen to respond to the possibility.

For NE to want to trade Mallett, they would have to be getting a premium on the pick they used to select him...at least a full round higher and then some.

OR

They would also have to look at him as a guy they can live without in the future and a guy that has problems as anticipated.

Now, onto us...

During the draft, we didnt feel he was worth even a third rounder....so, something would have to have changed between now and the time of the previous draft that made him worth a lot more to us.

I would have to believe that if NE thinks highly of Mallett, they would have to be demanding a early second rounder at worst and a mid to late first at best and I dont think that would be worth it.

Ryan has a big timer arm ( I honestly don't think its head and shoulders higher than Stanzis, though), but doesn't do very well under pressure, isn't exceptionally accurate, is a Statue of Bledsoe back there and has real questions about a serious drug problem that may or may not exist.

For me, Id rather make a move for one of the kids in this upcoming draft and make a ****ing statement that "you are our kid and we are gonna develop you into a great quarterback"

IMO a trade for Mallett would be only slightly better than trading for Cassel.

We need OUR OWN KID, NOT SOMEBODY ELSES FOR THE NEXT GO AROUND, PLEASE!!!!

PLEASE!!!!

The Bad Guy 11-08-2011 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8093320)
The 49ers are a 90s Chiefs clone. You couldn't make that team any more like the 90s Chiefs. You should know how this script ends.

I think they are a dangerous team. I could be very wrong, but I think their coaching takes them far.

O.city 11-08-2011 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 8093323)
9ers have beat Cincy, Philly, Tampa Bay, Detriot, and had a VERY close one against Dallas. These are all competent teams and one of which has already proven they can kick our ass. They've done this all in spite of having Alex Smith as their QB.

I'm logically sane thank you. If Haley can't get our offense to produce there's a huge problem with HIM. He has received Le'ron McClain, Steve Breaston, a new gem in Battle, our first round draft pick Baldwin, and Hudson/Gaither. I realize Jamal and Moeaki are out but a good Coach will make changes when injuries occur. Which is why I point to the 2008 Patriot season.

I agree with you man about the guys we have on offense. We have the weapons to have a top 10 offense. We just don't have the qb and that's really all that matters.

Iconic 11-08-2011 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093332)
I agree with you man about the guys we have on offense. We have the weapons to have a top 10 offense. We just don't have the qb and that's really all that matters.

If a QB is all that matters then the 08 Pats would have lost every single game because they had the same guy under center that we have now.

O.city 11-08-2011 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093326)
Ive said this the last few times Ive chosen to respond to the possibility.

For NE to want to trade Mallett, they would have to be getting a premium on the pick they used to select him...at least a full round higher and then some.

OR

They would also have to look at him as a guy they can live without in the future and a guy that has problems as anticipated.

Now, onto us...

During the draft, we didnt feel he was worth even a third rounder....so, something would have to have changed between now and the time of the previous draft that made him worth a lot more to us.

I would have to believe that if NE thinks highly of Mallett, they would have to be demanding a early second rounder at worst and a mid to late first at best and I dont think that would be worth it.

Ryan has a big timer arm ( I honestly don't think its head and shoulders higher than Stanzis, though), but doesn't do very well under pressure, isn't exceptionally accurate, is a Statue of Bledsoe back there and has real questions about a serious drug problem that may or may not exist.

For me, Id rather make a move for one of the kids in this upcoming draft and make a ****ing statement that "you are our kid and we are gonna develop you into a great quarterback"

IMO a trade for Mallett would be only slightly better than trading for Cassel.

We need OUR OWN KID, NOT SOMEBODY ELSES FOR THE NEXT GO AROUND, PLEASE!!!!

PLEASE!!!!

Man not to be blunt, but the Stanzi thing is getting a little to crazy. His arm is not close to Malletts. I also want our own, but there's no way we trade up to get one of the ones in this years draft.

I thought he was pretty accurate in college. Not arguing with you just thought he was.

ILChief 11-08-2011 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093272)
No one replied or said anything about it so I'll ask again: What would be everyone's thought about trying to get Mallett from the Pats? You could keep most of this years draft to add more talent and get a guy that already is better and has more potential than our qb does.

Again I like some aspects of this and don't like some. Just throwing it out there.

I'd rather go with Stanzi than Mallett

O.city 11-08-2011 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 8093344)
If a QB is all that matters then the 08 Pats would have lost every single game because they had the same guy under center that we have now.


To drive home my point that you can't beat great teams very often without a great qb, look at the Pats schedule that year and who they beat. It's very Chiefs 2010 esque.

BossChief 11-08-2011 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 8093356)
I'd rather go with Stanzi than Mallett

Id also rather go with Stanzi than all but 3 (maybe 4) of the quarterbacks in this upcoming class.

O.city 11-08-2011 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093370)
Id also rather go with Stanzi than all but 3 (maybe 4) of the quarterbacks in this upcoming class.

I'd atleast like to see him play a little this year.


If we compete for the rest of the year and win 7-9 games with the injuries we have had this year, I think it would be a mistake not to push in the chips and try and get one of the top prospects in this years class.

BossChief 11-08-2011 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093377)
I'd atleast like to see him play a little this year.


If we compete for the rest of the year and win 7-9 games with the injuries we have had this year, I think it would be a mistake not to push in the chips and try and get one of the top prospects in this years class.

there are very few of us that wouldn't.

ILChief 11-08-2011 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093381)
there are very few of us that wouldn't.

Doubt it happens this year unless Cassel gets hurt.

O.city 11-08-2011 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093381)
there are very few of us that wouldn't.

The more I see of Luck and Barkley, the more I think trading up to get one of them would be worth it.

Having a legit franchise guy IMO would be worth more than the production you would get out of the picks you gave up.

Iconic 11-08-2011 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093359)
To drive home my point that you can't beat great teams very often without a great qb, look at the Pats schedule that year and who they beat. It's very Chiefs 2010 esque.

They beat 5 teams that were .500 or higher. Even if it's not the toughest schedule how confident would you be if Haley were your HC in that situation. I'd have thrown in the towel the second I saw Brady go down. Haley is just an average HC. If he knew what he was doing he wouldn't have made Bill ****ing Muir our OC...

Okie_Apparition 11-08-2011 09:12 PM

What gem did you have in mind for Battle

BossChief 11-08-2011 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093384)
The more I see of Luck and Barkley, the more I think trading up to get one of them would be worth it.

Having a legit franchise guy IMO would be worth more than the production you would get out of the picks you gave up.

Id give up a whole draft for either one of them...even though Barkley can be a bit of Jeykl and Hyde.

It would be the most exciting moment in the history of sports, for me.

Shit, Im honestly already prepared for us to eventually take one and also prepared for him to be a bust.

Id be totally fine with that as long as they tried again....and again....and again

O.city 11-08-2011 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093397)
Id give up a whole draft for either one of them.

It would be the most exciting moment in the history of sports, for me.

Shit, Im honestly already prepared for us to eventually take one and also prepared for him to be a bust.

Id be totally fine with that as long as they tried again....and again....and again

I know some here are adamantly against it but I would give up a whole draft as well. Prob gonna take more than that, but I would call up the Gm of the team with the number one pick and open the pocketbook.

O.city 11-08-2011 09:22 PM

Might get some flack for this but I don't give a **** really.


If Charles, Berry, and Moeaki were healthy this year and we had a Matt Ryan esq qb we could compete for the AFC title. I think with a legit qb we are that close.

Thats why I'll argue with anyone that if it were me I'd go get Luck.

BossChief 11-08-2011 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093413)
Might get some flack for this but I don't give a **** really.


If Charles, Berry, and Moeaki were healthy this year and we had a Matt Ryan esq qb we could compete for the AFC title. I think with a legit qb we are that close.

Thats why I'll argue with anyone that if it were me I'd go get Luck.

Bro, the Luck dream is over.

NO WAY its gonna happen.

If we are gonna have a legit discussion about trading up for a QB, we should be talking about Barkley.

O.city 11-08-2011 09:30 PM

If I'm the Chiefs GM, which some of you will surely say thank the lord you aren't, this is my offseason.


Free Agency:
Resign Bowe and Carr, Try and sign Grubbs from Baltimore to play LG and let Hudson play C, Michael Griffen or LaRon Landry are S free agents if you aren't sold on Lewis.

If Berry is healthy he is athletic enough to play either S position if you brought in one or the other from that list.

Hell Finley from GB is a FA after this year, although likely to get resigned by the Pack I'd throw money at him. He's gonna be a star.


Draft: Figure out which qb I liked the best and go get him.

O.city 11-08-2011 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093421)
Bro, the Luck dream is over.

NO WAY its gonna happen.

If we are gonna have a legit discussion about trading up for a QB, we should be talking about Barkley.

Likely it is. I'm not giving up tho. I'm not sold INDy is drafting him if they get the first pick.

Nightfyre 11-08-2011 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 8093278)
See Alex Smith for further assistance.
See the Chiefs 2010 NFL season with Charlie Weis and Matt Cassel.
See the Patriots 2008 NFL season with Josh McDaniels and Matt Cassel.

A good coaching staff can make any offense be productive.

Right... see Josh McDaniels with the Rams in 2011... Oh wait, this anecdotal evidence doesn't support your theory. Seriously, the evidence suggests that the franchise QB is more important than coaching. Quit talking out of your asshole please and thanks.

milkman 11-08-2011 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8093211)
The Packers lost Finley, who is better than Moeaki, their #1 RB, had injuries all over the back seven and still won the SB.*


*FWIW, I don't think that's (the Packers' 10-6 plan) something to strive for, as it would be nearly impossible to replace success like that, but they have shown that you can compete at a high level even when decimated by injuries if you have enough guys in key positions.

The Packers won last year because of one thing, and they are winning this year because of that same thing.

Aaron Rodgers.

The Packer D this year is giving up a shit ton of points, but Rodgers keeps putting up more.

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8093300)
The 49ers have beaten tons of good teams this year.

The Bengals in Cinci, the Eagles across the country in Philly (winning there is impressive considering) and the Lions in Detroit. They shitbeat the Bucs, who are a decent team.

The 49ers are a complete team right now and I think they are built to do some real damage in January.

Alex Smith is not going to get a team to the SB.

As Hamas stated, these 9ers are the 90s Chiefs.

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 8093323)
9ers have beat Cincy, Philly, Tampa Bay, Detriot, and had a VERY close one against Dallas. These are all competent teams and one of which has already proven they can kick our ass. They've done this all in spite of having Alex Smith as their QB.

I'm logically sane thank you. If Haley can't get our offense to produce there's a huge problem with HIM. He has received Le'ron McClain, Steve Breaston, a new gem in Battle, our first round draft pick Baldwin, and Hudson/Gaither. I realize Jamaal and Moeaki are out but a good Coach will make changes when injuries occur. Which is why I point to the 2008 Patriot season.

Cincy hasn't beaten anyone, Philly is a 3-5 team.

Tampa might be good, but they also got their shit stomped in by Chicago, was it?

And we really don't know for sure what the Lions are either.

For now, you can't really point to any one of those teams as some kind of measure of the 9ers greatness.

O.city 11-08-2011 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8093436)
The Packers won last year because of one thing, and they are winning this year because of that same thing.

Aaron Rodgers.

The Packer D this year is giving up a shit ton of points, but Rodgers keeps putting up more.



Alex Smith is not going to get a team to the SB.

As Hamas stated, these 9ers are the 90s Chiefs.



Cincy hasn't beaten anyone, Philly is a 3-5 team.

Tampa might be good, but they also got their shit stomped in by Chicago, was it?

And we really don't know for sure what the Lions are either.

For now, you can't really point to any one of those teams as some kind of measure of the 9ers greatness.


As usual, IMO, nice take Milkman.

lcarus 11-08-2011 09:37 PM

We need to give every opponent's TE the same treatment we gave Gates, no matter who they are. Otherwise pieces of shit like Anthony Fasano will continue to rape us.

The Bad Guy 11-08-2011 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8093436)
The Packers won last year because of one thing, and they are winning this year because of that same thing.

Aaron Rodgers.

The Packer D this year is giving up a shit ton of points, but Rodgers keeps putting up more.



Alex Smith is not going to get a team to the SB.

As Hamas stated, these 9ers are the 90s Chiefs.



Cincy hasn't beaten anyone, Philly is a 3-5 team.

Tampa might be good, but they also got their shit stomped in by Chicago, was it?

And we really don't know for sure what the Lions are either.

For now, you can't really point to any one of those teams as some kind of measure of the 9ers greatness.

I'll completely disagree about that. The Bears beat the Bucs in London by 6 I think.

They won 3 out of those 4 games on the road. Traveling to the East Coast and winning every single road game on your schedule is impressive.

Chiefnj2 11-08-2011 09:46 PM

Going on the road to the east coast and winning multiple games is big. The 49ers might not win the Super Bowl, but it's pretty amazing what a new coach can do.

Deberg_1990 11-08-2011 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8093467)
The 49ers might not win the Super Bowl, but it's pretty amazing what a new coach can do.

Pretty amazing job Harbaugh has done so far, and just shows how bad Singletary was because they are basically the same team.

But ive got to agree, no way in hell Alex Smith carries a team to a SB. Not a playmaker.

Hammock Parties 11-08-2011 09:55 PM

That team is 30th in passing. LOL

They are basically last year's Chiefs with a better defense.

Frankie 11-08-2011 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 8093179)
So we are a HC and a QB away from competing.

We don't have a HC problem. We have a HC handcuffed with a mediocre QB problem. This one is on Pioli, not Haley.

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 8093188)
This team desperately needs a complementary pass rusher more than it needs a RT or NT.

Agreed. But our RT need is only second in a photo finish.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093194)
There will be growing pains, but there are really only 3 quarterbacks out of this upcoming class that I think might be better than him.

Luck
Barkley
Foles

I really dont think Landry Jones is head and shoulders a better quarterback.

I'm not impressed by Foles. Believe me I have tried to be impressed by him. Landry Jones has impressed me enough every time I had a chance to see him, which is not many.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8093198)
This team does not have the depth to withstand injuries, which will invariably happen.

The best point of the thread.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093263)
I completely disagree.

Relatively speaking, of course.

WTF?!!!:LOL:

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 8093356)
I'd rather go with Stanzi than Mallett

but we have to see Stanzi play first. He is inactive every week. What's up with that? We have T-Jones, O'Connel, and Piss-the-belly taking up room on the roster and we can't dress up Stanzi to at least send him in late in a ranaway game?!
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093397)
Id give up a whole draft for either one of them...even though Barkley can be a bit of Jeykl and Hyde.

Most years I would disagree with this. But we may have enough starting talent in place that going that aggressively after someone like Luck may be warranted. I just wish he wasn't such a mucus machine! ;) I'd just keep my fingers crossed that Gaither would get healthy enough to topple Richardson, Houston would provide the complimentary pass rush, and/or I could get some FAs signed at S, RT, OLB.
I like Barkley a lot too, but I wouldn't do an entire draft on him.

milkman 11-08-2011 10:31 PM

I've seen Landry Jones 3 times this year, and one other time last year, and I have been highly unimpressed with him.

Foles has a slow release, but a good QB coach can work out a couple of mechanical issues which will improve the release, but I really like the competitiveness he brings.

BossChief 11-08-2011 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8093611)
I've seen Landry Jones 3 times this year, and one other time last year, and I have been highly unimpressed with him.

Foles has a slow release, but a good QB coach can work out a couple of mechanical issues which will improve the release, but I really like the competitiveness he brings.

I see Foles as the guy we can probably stand pat on and take when we pick in the first round and a guy Zorn can probably improve the most of any of these kids.

Ive watched some of this Griffin kid and he could be the real deal, too.

He is slowly creeping up my list the more he shows his ability to be a pocket type passer and not just a gimmick.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-09-2011 12:28 AM

The 9ers were definitely wise to take my boy, Aldon Smth. Dude is straight up beasting as a rusher right now. 6.5 sacks through 8 games.

Hammock Parties 11-09-2011 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8093877)
The 9ers were definitely wise to take my boy, Aldon Smth. Dude is straight up beasting as a rusher right now. 6.5 sacks through 8 games.

***BLAINE GABBERT TROLLPOST***

aturnis 11-09-2011 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 8093323)
9ers have beat Cincy, Philly, Tampa Bay, Detriot, and had a VERY close one against Dallas. Which is why I point to the 2008 Patriot season.


First of all, the the only teams you mentioned the Niners beating that even looks remotely impressive are the Lions and the Bengals, and they're playing a rookie QB. The rest have had Incredibly underwhelming season to this point. Also, the Pats won 11 games that year against a very soft schedule despite Cassel, who look ehhh with a WR corps that had been the most prolific in the history of the game just the year before. Cassel did the same there as he does here.

aturnis 11-09-2011 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093370)
Id also rather go with Stanzi than all but 3 (maybe 4) of the quarterbacks in this upcoming class.

Hell, at least compared to the QB's from last year's draft who have played, I think only Newton and Dalton are better than Stanzi. I do though think Dalton reminds me of Stanzi.

aturnis 11-09-2011 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 8093389)
They beat 5 teams that were .500 or higher. Even if it's not the toughest schedule how confident would you be if Haley were your HC in that situation. I'd have thrown in the towel the second I saw Brady go down. Haley is just an average HC. If he knew what he was doing he wouldn't have made Bill ****ing Muir our OC...

All they had to do to "tailor" the offense to Cassel was throw out any passing play beyond 10-15yds. Not joking.

Bob Dole 11-09-2011 06:27 AM

Bob Dole was as under the weather as the team was and didn't even manage to watch the entire first half. Did they ever start moving Hali around as in the previous games, or just leave him across from Long to continue to get stoned all day?

FAX 11-09-2011 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 8094041)
Bob Dole was as under the weather as the team was and didn't even manage to watch the entire first half. Did they ever start moving Hali around as in the previous games, or just leave him across from Long to continue to get stoned all day?

They moved him. But, if he wasn't getting Long, he was getting double-teamed on the other side. Chipped sometimes - even when he was on Long's side, now that I think on it. Their plan was to nullify Hali and they did a very good job.

That's why I don't understand Romeo's thinking very much. Anyone could see that they were dedicated to taking Hali away but Romeo didn't adjust and mix up the rush packages. I can only assume that he didn't think he could on account of our completely injury savaged secondary which was playing like those dudes standing next Custer while he was trying to surrender.

FAX THE ATTENTIVE

Nightfyre 11-09-2011 11:41 AM

So the key to passing on the Chiefs is to bullseye Hali.... makes sense. I wonder if Romeo can adjust the scheme to compensate for teams doing that in the future. Granted, he is confined by the shitty safety play...

The Bad Guy 11-09-2011 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8094005)
First of all, the the only teams you mentioned the Niners beating that even looks remotely impressive are the Lions and the Bengals, and they're playing a rookie QB. The rest have had Incredibly underwhelming season to this point. Also, the Pats won 11 games that year against a very soft schedule despite Cassel, who look ehhh with a WR corps that had been the most prolific in the history of the game just the year before. Cassel did the same there as he does here.

Philly is a very talented team that's difficult to play across the country.

Beating Tampa 34-0 is impressive.

Winning all your games on the road, when they've had to travel across the country for most of them is impressive.

MahiMike 11-09-2011 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 8093008)
I haven't been reading all the threads. I'd like to forget about that game. Has anyone even mentioned Tamba getting ****ing pwnd like a n00b in MWIII by Jake Long? I was surprised how thorough that domination was.

I know, right? Why didn't he move to the other side? Or maybe he did and was just as ineffective. Miami's strengths just matched up well against our weaknesses (i.e., TE vs S).

Frosty 11-09-2011 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 8094789)
Miami's strengths just matched up well against our weaknesses (i.e., TE vs S).

Just wait until the NE game.Yikes!


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