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SenselessChiefsFan 11-22-2011 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8132244)
I was at the Minnesota game. I watched him come off the field. I watched Haley TRY to pat him on the back and give him some coaching after Cassel went full reerun and grounded a screen pass. I watched Cassel throw a hissy fit for NO REASON.

The reason Cassel is yelling at the sidelines is because he's a baby.

We saw the sideline cams last night. We saw the discussions in the headsets. We saw Haley's mouth moving. We saw Muir talking. We saw Zorn in Haley's ear several times. The only moving part that was significantly different - the QB.



I see a pattern - a pattern of excuses. Cassel is a serviceable QB when you protect him with playcalling, nothing more.

Here is the thing.... I would love to get a franchise QB. I don't think Cassel is all world, but he is much better than Tyler Freaking Palko.

And, the fact that people are trying to extrapolate last nights performance against the last defense in the league that was further injured into some sort of a comparison is ridiculous.

Cassel has proven he is a capable starter in two years on two different teams. The one constant is that he had a decent OC.

Again, not all world... not beyond upgrade, but a decent starting QB.

The people who think that Palko is an upgrade are blinded by their hate for Cassel.

SenselessChiefsFan 11-22-2011 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 8132255)
This "worst D in football" thing is overstated. The NFL, for some silly reason, ranks offense/defense by YARDS, not points.

Pats are middle of the pack in points allowed, the only stat that matters. The Chiefs piled up lots of yards, just like everyone does. But when you say "3 points on the worst D in football", you're mixing stats -- points versus yards.

Here is the thing.... the Pats have the worst defense in the league by yardage. They are average in points allowed. But, they also had additional injuries int he secondary.

Palko was given a very soft defense to start against. I don't know that the Chiefs would have won with Cassel, but they would have put up more points.

htismaqe 11-22-2011 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 8132264)
Here is the thing.... I would love to get a franchise QB. I don't think Cassel is all world, but he is much better than Tyler Freaking Palko.

He is better than Tyler Palko. Already said that.

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 8132264)
And, the fact that people are trying to extrapolate last nights performance against the last defense in the league that was further injured into some sort of a comparison is ridiculous.

How many injuries in the front 7? How many sacks did they have coming into the game? How many did they have last night?

The QB didn't hold onto the ball for 4 seconds every play and ended up not having to run for his life every other down. SHOCKER.

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 8132264)
The people who think that Palko is an upgrade are blinded by their hate for Cassel.

I never said Palko was an upgrade. The only thing Palko did was further prove the point that this team is going nowhere without a REAL QB.

the Talking Can 11-22-2011 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 8132225)
Cassel can't force the coaches to get the playcall into him any quicker. How many times have we seen Cassel yelling to the sidelines about getting the freaking playcall?

Cassel has looked like a legitamite NFL QB in two of the four years he has started. In New England he had McDaniels....looked good. First year starting, went 10-5.

Then, he had Gailey, then Haley his first year in KC.... sucked.

Then, he got Weis. Offensive player of the month, pro bowl selection.

Then, he gets Muir, which is just Haley as OC again..... sucks.

Do you see a pattern? Look, I am not saying the guy is great, but he is much better than Palko and a decent starting QB when you give him a decent coordinator.

cassel is a piece of shit who averages less than 200 yards passing a game because he's so reeruned you have to run an offense for reeruns


wipe the shit out of your eyes...our passing attack is worst in the league since he arrived....he is terrible

htismaqe 11-22-2011 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 8132269)
Here is the thing.... the Pats have the worst defense in the league by yardage. They are average in points allowed. But, they also had additional injuries int he secondary.

Palko was given a very soft defense to start against. I don't know that the Chiefs would have won with Cassel, but they would have put up more points.

Here's the thing...Palko wasn't playing when the Chiefs put up 3 points on the mighty Dolphins, AT HOME.

the Talking Can 11-22-2011 08:10 AM

jamal charles is the only reason people think Cassel was good last year....

htismaqe 11-22-2011 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8132278)
cassel is a piece of shit who averages less than 200 yards passing a game because he's so reeruned you have to run an offense for reeruns


wipe the shit out of your eyes...our passing attack is worst in the league since he arrived....he is terrible

In his "good" year last year with Genious Charlie Weis, he averaged 6.9 yards per attempt.

2009 it was 5.9 and this year it was 6.4.

For his career, he's averaged 6.6 yards per attempt - which puts him into a group with Drew Bledsoe, Byron Leftwich, Quincy Carter, JP Losman, and Archie Manning.

Honestly, take a look at this:

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...att_career.htm

It's pretty sad really.

Hammock Parties 11-22-2011 08:44 AM

That is an interesting list.

The cutoff for "barely adequate" seems to be around 6.8.

Trent Green at an impressive 19th.

htismaqe 11-22-2011 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 8132362)
That is an interesting list.

The cutoff for "barely adequate" seems to be around 6.8.

Trent Green at an impressive 19th.

Look at the Super Bowl QBs. You won't find many below 7.0 that I saw...

EDIT: I see a few Super Bowl losers (runners-up) below 7.0 but a quick scan down to about 6.5 didn't find me any SB winners. Also, look at how many CURRENT QBs are at the top of that list - it's pretty painfully obvious how the game has changed and we haven't changed with it...

DeezNutz 11-22-2011 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8132283)
jamal charles is the only reason people think Cassel was good last year....

And our impressively overrated GM is going to bring Cassel back next year as the uncontested starter. You know, and I know it.

OnTheWarpath15 11-22-2011 08:55 AM

Is it just me, or does anyone else think Haley was calling plays last night?

There were several times they cut to a sideline shot while we were on offense, and during those shots, Haley was clearly looking at his sheet and talking, while Muir was pacing behind him, looking at the sheet but not talking.

Coincidence that this happened several times, or much ado about nothing?

Also, is this the first game Muir has actually been on the sideline? I haven't paid a ton of attention to it, but I know there have been a few games where they've shown Grandpa Simpson up in the coaches box.

htismaqe 11-22-2011 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8132381)
And our impressively overrated GM is going to bring Cassel back next year as the uncontested starter. You know, and I know it.

Time for me to crawl back under my rock...

:sulk::Lin:

htismaqe 11-22-2011 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8132383)
Is it just me, or does anyone else think Haley was calling plays last night?

There were several times they cut to a sideline shot while we were on offense, and during those shots, Haley was clearly looking at his sheet and talking, while Muir was pacing behind him, looking at the sheet but not talking.

Coincidence that this happened several times, or much ado about nothing?

Also, is this the first game Muir has actually been on the sideline? I haven't paid a ton of attention to it, but I know there have been a few games where they've shown Grandpa Simpson up in the coaches box.

Apparently, Haley was calling plays. Several people have mentioned it.

OnTheWarpath15 11-22-2011 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8132387)
Apparently, Haley was calling plays. Several people have mentioned it.

Sorry. Haven't bothered to try to catch up on threads, figured they were just filled with whining about the refs.

Dayze 11-22-2011 09:07 AM

and Keyshawn picked the Chiefs last night. lol. dumbass.

htismaqe 11-22-2011 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8132392)
Sorry. Haven't bothered to try to catch up on threads, figured they were just filled with whining about the refs.

No. Mostly filled with bitching about Palko and how Cassel is being treated unfairly.

Oh wait, that's really just one person...

ChiTown 11-22-2011 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8132453)
No. Mostly filled with bitching about Palko and how Cassel is being treated unfairly.

Oh wait, that's really just one person...

Dude! Good to see you posting again.

OnTheWarpath15 11-22-2011 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8132453)
No. Mostly filled with bitching about Palko and how Cassel is being treated unfairly.

Oh wait, that's really just one person...

LEAVE MATT ALONE!

Buehler445 11-22-2011 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 8131767)
Does she have a name? I must see her naked
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/custo...tar12119_3.gif

That's from a playboy shoot. She's focking hot.

Reerun_KC 11-22-2011 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 8132492)
That's from a playboy shoot. She's focking hot.

Link?

Mr. Arrowhead 11-22-2011 09:39 AM

The only difference between Palko and Cassel is Cassel is 30 million dollars richer

Buehler445 11-22-2011 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 8132495)
Link?

I don't have one. I just remember "reading" playboy in college and that was one of the shoots.

EDIT: Hillary Fisher.

You're welcome.

the Talking Can 11-22-2011 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead (Post 8132502)
The only difference between Palko and Cassel is Cassel is 30 million dollars richer

and palko has 30 million dollar hair

JD10367 11-22-2011 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 8131875)
lol sad thing is Palko has better pocket presence then cassel, the ball looks better when he throws it short yardage, but the deep ball looks just as shitty as cassel. lol

Either way, its more of the same. Palko shouldnt be starting, it has to be the rookie, its like seriously why not. lol I dont see how starting Palko is better then starting Stanzi. If palko was in his first or 2nd year, then id be like ok, but he's not.

But how do you know this? Seriously? His first start, he has to come off the bench on MNF against the Patriots in Gillette as a two-TD underdog... and from that you're basing his whole ability? Did you notice that he actually had a much higher completion % than Brady, and only 1 yard less? Yes, his QB rating was bad, but that was skewed by the three picks... two of which could've easily been caught. I'm not saying he's the QBOTF but he already showed he's better than Cassel. Are you ready to throw in the towel on Palko and the season already? The Chiefs are only two games out, and in the AFC a 9-7 record might win that bitch. It's not out of the realm of possibility. Their life signs are failing but the Chiefs aren't dead yet.

htismaqe 11-22-2011 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8132584)
Are you ready to throw in the towel on Palko and the season already? The Chiefs are only two games out, and in the AFC a 9-7 record might win that bitch. It's not out of the realm of possibility. Their life signs are failing but the Chiefs aren't dead yet.

You can't be serious with this, can you?

Reaper16 11-22-2011 10:38 AM

Holy shit, it makes my heart sing to see htismaqe back on CP.

OnTheWarpath15 11-22-2011 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 8132671)
Holy shit, it makes my heart sing to see htismaqe back on CP.

Is it singing Rebecca Black?

FUN FUN FUN

htismaqe 11-22-2011 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8132675)
Is it singing Rebecca Black?

FUN FUN FUN

sitting in the front seat, sitting in the back seat...

JD10367 11-22-2011 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8132596)
You can't be serious with this, can you?

Why, did they shorten the season to 10 games when I wasn't looking? There are 6 more to go, you know. Are the Raiders, Broncos, and Chargers so awesome?

Remaining games:

Raiders: Chi, @ Mia, @ GB, Det, @ KC, SD. That's ****ing brutal. Going to Soldier Field is not a gimme even without Cutler. The way Miami's playing, that game won't be easy. At Green Bay, they'll get their ass pounded. Detroit is another tough one. They finish up with two divisionals, meaning their destiny might be well out of their control by then.

Broncos: @ SD, @ Minn, Chi, NE, @ Buff, KC. Easier than Oakland's but no cakewalk. The Chargers are schitzo enough to blow them out with that SD offense. The Vikings is probably a win. The Bears won't be easy. Neither will New England's offense. Buffalo can be pesky especially at home. They finish with KC.

Chargers: Den, @ Jax, Buff, Balt, @ Det, @ Oak. Probably the easiest of the bunch but, still, they have to deal with the Ravens D and playing at Detroit. And they are dead even with KC (4-6, and 1-1 H2H) so if KC takes care of their own business they have little to worry about.

htismaqe 11-22-2011 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8132688)
Why, did they shorten the season to 10 games when I wasn't looking? There are 6 more to go, you know. Are the Raiders, Broncos, and Chargers so awesome?

Remaining games:

Raiders: Chi, @ Mia, @ GB, Det, @ KC, SD. That's ****ing brutal. Going to Soldier Field is not a gimme even without Cutler. The way Miami's playing, that game won't be easy. At Green Bay, they'll get their ass pounded. Detroit is another tough one. They finish up with two divisionals, meaning their destiny might be well out of their control by then.

Broncos: @ SD, @ Minn, Chi, NE, @ Buff, KC. Easier than Oakland's but no cakewalk. The Chargers are schitzo enough to blow them out with that SD offense. The Vikings is probably a win. The Bears won't be easy. Neither will New England's offense. Buffalo can be pesky especially at home. They finish with KC.

Chargers: Den, @ Jax, Buff, Balt, @ Det, @ Oak. Probably the easiest of the bunch but, still, they have to deal with the Ravens D and playing at Detroit. And they are dead even with KC (4-6, and 1-1 H2H) so if KC takes care of their own business they have little to worry about.

What do you expect the outcome to be even if we do go 9-7 and make the playoffs? We got blown out my Buffalo and Miami for Christ's sake. AT HOME.

Of course, this is a ridiculous discussion anyway. The Chiefs won't win more than 2 remaining games with Palko at QB. He's your "hope" for the playoffs. :(

Frankie 11-22-2011 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 8131578)
The first one to breaston wouldve been an amazing catch.

The second one was a horrible horrible throw.

Both were on palko.

This.


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