Well that was a complete success.

I think coaching can have a bigger impact than any one player.

I understand that talent matters in the NFL. But, frankly, if one of the most talented backs in the league is sitting on the bench for half the season, I will not use it to excuse the HC/OC's lack of offense.

It is up to the coach to use the talent that is here to the best of their ability.

It's not an excuse for anything. It's an observation of cause and effect. I'm not defending anyone, I'm making a case for talent>scheme.

As for coaching having an impact more than any one player... no.

Give the Colts 100 coaches with what they have now, and they'll fail. Give them Manning with any of those 100 coaches and they'll succeed.

Put Brady and Belichick each on a bad team next year, and I'm pretty confident that Brady's team would be much much better than Bill's. Coaching matters, but not as much as talent.

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McCluster is not as fast as Hall. But, he has run a 4.4. He isn't slow.

McCluster is about the same height as Hall, but a little less stout.

However, McCluster is much faster than Wes Welker. I just think that McDaniels would be able to put him in similar situations to Welker. Situations that could help him be more effective.

Look at Wes Welker's career before he got to New England. He had played in the NFL for four years prior to getting traded to New England.

Hey, it is always a combination of talent and coaches. I just think you can look around the NFL and see a ton of quick turnarounds by good coaches being added to teams.

As I said earlier, the 9ers are probably the easiest and best example of this in the current season.

And, you talke Brady and put him on a different team as a rookie and he could be selling insurance right now because a coach didn't see the talent that was there.

Manning probably gets at least a fair shot no matter where he goes due to where he was picked. But, lets say he goes to Cleveland. Do you really think he is the same Peyton Manning?

Yeah, NOW, after years of teaching and coaching, these guys could go anywhere and be successful.... but that is dependent on the coaching and teaching of these guys early in their careers.

How many times do you see a bust on one team go on to be successful on another?

There are so many moving pieces in all of these discusions. Heck, you give Haley the right pieces, an I know he can be successful. I saw it when he had Warner, Fitzgerald and Boldin. However, great coaches can get the most out of what they have.

I have to run, but I wanted to say that I think you are quality poster. I enjoyed the debate. I don't agree, but I appreciate that for the most part, you were respectful and more concerned with proving your point than anything else.

Thanks for the help wasting four hours of my day. :)

40 yard dash time is not the same as on field speed.

You know who was REALLY fast but never once got behind a defense or outran anyone? Sammie Parker. Yanno why? Not everyone carries that equipment the same. I haven't seen McCluster outrun anyone since opening day of 2010 when it was raining. He may run a 4.4 on track in shorts and no shirt... but the NFL is different and he's not a blazer on the field. I think assuming he can be Wes Welkerish is a bit much. I mean it was optimism when he was drafted to think that, but now? C'mon man.

You can also see team turn arounds by home-run draft picks that often accompany that new coach. Cowher was just Marty Jr. until they drafted Ben. We can debate this all day, but it's just a circular argument at this stage and we should probably stop.

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I do prefer all my discussions end that way. Hostility on the internet is like having phone sex... what's the ****ing point?

Never fear, for I am 100% simpatico with you on this deal.

For many a year (or even longer sometimes), I, myself, have stood tall and fully erect for goodness and niceness and right and virtue and kindnessness and proportionate tittahs and Triscuits with pepper cheese, Mr. WhiteWhale.

Not only that, but I am also pretty much against evil in all its forms. Especially reposts.

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Keep fighting the good fight, sir.

If Cassel stays (which I certainly hope is NOT true), then we have to make a coaching change. Haley and Cassel don't play well together. Might as well go after McDaniels if Pioli doubles down on Cassel.

Well, if Pioli is thinking about McDaniels, he now has two QB's that know his system.

I really hope Stanzi turns out to be great. Because if McDaniels comes in, you know the Chiefs are going with Cassel and Orton and will ignore QB in the first round unless Luck somehow falls to them after being charged with molesting a little boy.

I can't believe you guys don't see the brilliance in rushing McCluster between the tackles on 3rd and short while Battle (a 240 lb. bruiser) sits on the bench for that play. The hidden genius in this move is that the other team would know that nobody would actually do something that ridiculous so when it happens they are completely surprised by it. Of course, they react quickly enough to stuff the play but that is not the point. So I contend that coaching decisions during a game have a significant impact on how good an athlete looks. We need a competent offensive coordinator and Haley needs to learn how to get along with the guy. If he can't then he needs to go.

Anybody hear Haley's presser today?

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McCluster is so fast Jackie Battle has a longer play from scrimmage.

Dude sucks, stop defending the pick.

No, what did he say?

Please summarize Haley's presser.

No. Why?

In the same sentence, he basically said that the only thing they go by when determining starters is wins but that there are circumstances other than wins that go into deciding who the starting QB should be.

LMAO

the dude is a joke, we sure have a Nut for a Coach.

how in the hell did he land a HC gig?LMAO

If Cassel stays it doesn't matter who the coach is.

oh yeah, my bad.
i forgot he fell out of the Patriot tree.

If any of you guys say Bradford would come to KC with McDaniels, you're ****ing nuts.

Bradford doesn't fit the KC profile for a QB.
(he doesn't suck)

Haley please release Cassell, if we get mcdaniels we will never get rid of Cassell

What is your basis that McDaniels is a better coach than Haley? Because his QB threw for more yards?

Last time I checked, John Fox has taken mostly the same players and has built a phenomenal running game and defense out of it. The QB is producing even less than Cassel, except that he has a history of making more 4th quarter plays.

McDaniels' offense is more exciting. That doesn't mean he's a better coach or coordinator. His defense was embarrassingly bad and for the first half of last season, he couldn't even get a 60-yard rusher out of his RBs. And it's my opinion that his team flat out gave up on him in 2009. The team never looked like it had any kind of heart. It looked like a team with an arrogant d-bag trying to motivate them.

Absolutely ****ing not to McDaniels. He'd be fine as a coordinator, but he's not head coach material.

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True then and true now.