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RealSNR 11-30-2011 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8156072)
I think it's funny how Chiefs fans want RG3 now that Tebow is tearing it up. LMAO

I'm now convinced your entire act is trollery.

Fansy the Famous Bard 11-30-2011 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8156161)
I'm now convinced your entire act is trollery.

I've always believed he is a puppet with a good sense of humor.

OnTheWarpath15 11-30-2011 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8155674)
I like Flynn, what little we've seen, and if you gave me a choice between him, Cassel and Orton, I'd take Flynn, no questions asked, even without Clements.

But if you tell me I have a choice between Flynn and a first round QB, well that isn't even a close choice.

Flynn was a 7th round pick, wasn't he?

There's a reason for that.

Total agreement.

I only mentioned Flynn because trading for backups seems to be Pioli's MO.

jd1020 11-30-2011 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8156243)
Total agreement.

I only mentioned Flynn because trading for backups seems to be Pioli's MO.

Flynn is a FA after this season.

Just FYI.

OnTheWarpath15 11-30-2011 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rick (Post 8156121)
Thank you! Spot on. Glad someone finally said this.

I don't understand all of the Flynn love, and I'm even living in the heart of Packer territory. Not saying he's bad, but he played (very well, I'll admit) in one game. There just isn't enough of a sample size to determine anything with him at this point.

Again, I'm open to Flynn if and only if we have no intentions of actually drafting our own guy - and I'll admit, his appeal is as much about his play as it is about him learning under the best QB coach in the NFL and behind the best QB in the NFL.

58kcfan89 11-30-2011 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8156249)
Again, I'm open to Flynn if and only if we have no intentions of actually drafting our own guy - and I'll admit, his appeal is as much about his play as it is about him learning under the best QB coach in the NFL and behind the best QB in the NFL.

Not to mention having 10 awesome players around him...

I wouldn't mind signing Flynn as a backup or to start at the beginning of next year, but we obviously need to draft our own ****ing QB. And not in the 6th damn round, either.

BigMeatballDave 11-30-2011 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8156072)
I think it's funny how Chiefs fans want RG3 now that Tebow is tearing it up. LMAO

LMAO yeah, they are the exact same QB...

4th and Long 11-30-2011 02:03 PM

If "ifs and buts" were candies and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

I am so sick and tired of all these "what if" threads.

whoman69 11-30-2011 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 8156143)
Your sarcasm sir is misplaced. There indeed are a lot more similarities. They both have two eyes, two eyebrows, one nose, one mouth, two arms and two legs. According to the rumors, Tebow also has a dick though that may just be a mere rumor.

Tebow has a unibrow. Get your facts straight.

tredadda 11-30-2011 05:35 PM

I know the FO would be ecstatic if the QBOTF is not there. That relieves them of the pressure of doing what they do not want to do and that is draft a 1st round QB. They can then go into the season with Cassel, Orton, and Stanzi and "hope" one of them is successful enough to quiet the fanbase.

Frankie 11-30-2011 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8156247)
Flynn is a FA after this season.

Just FYI.

I'm very curious about Philadelphia's Kafka too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8156249)
Again, I'm open to Flynn if and only if we have no intentions of actually drafting our own guy - and I'll admit, his appeal is as much about his play as it is about him learning under the best QB coach in the NFL and behind the best QB in the NFL.

Who is that?

milkman 11-30-2011 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 8157080)
I'm very curious about Philadelphia's Kafka too.



Who is that?

Tom Clements.

Frankie 11-30-2011 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 8157077)
I know the FO would be ecstatic if the QBOTF is not there. That relieves them of the pressure of doing what they do not want to do and that is draft a 1st round QB. They can then go into the season with Cassel, Orton, and Stanzi and "hope" one of them is successful enough to quiet the fanbase.

IF Stanzi ever gets a fair chance to compete. So far indications are he won't.

The Franchise 11-30-2011 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8156247)
Flynn is a FA after this season.

Just FYI.

Yeah....and I think they're going to have to franchise Finley.

the Talking Can 11-30-2011 06:19 PM

you can shove flynn up stanzi's ass and throw them both off a bridge...

anything that is not drafting a 1rd round QB next year is a complete and total ****ing disaster...

DeezNutz 11-30-2011 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8157146)
you can shove flynn up stanzi's ass and throw them both off a bridge...

Through one of those covered wooden bridges in Iowa, no less. And I'm afraid that classic tandem would sink quickly because of all of the Iowa homers attached to Stanzi's sack.

ILChief 11-30-2011 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8156247)
Flynn is a FA after this season.

Just FYI.

Carl Peterson approves this post

KC Hawks 11-30-2011 06:26 PM

Granted, it was one game and it was the preseason, but I thought Flynn looked awful vs the Chiefs.

I expect we'll sign him.

Munson 11-30-2011 06:42 PM

The Chiefs had better do whatever they have to do to make sure they come away with a QBOTF this coming year. The QB play has been so bad this year, they have no choice but to draft a legitimate replacement. We'll have a shot at Matt Barkley or RGIII. I'd be perfectly happy with either one.

If for some reason we don't draft a QB, we need a NTOTF. I haven't watched enough college football this year to know if there are any legit 1st round NT's worth taking. Also, drafting Trent Richardson sounds interesting. He would be a great compliment to Charles. If we end up trading down(which wouldn't surprise me at all), we could use another pass rushing OLB, a beastly MLB, or a starting guard/center/RT.

stonedstooge 11-30-2011 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 8157156)
Carl Peterson approves this post

And Clark asks "How cheap?"

Buckweath 11-30-2011 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Munson (Post 8157187)
The Chiefs had better do whatever they have to do to make sure they come away with a QBOTF this coming year. The QB play has been so bad this year, they have no choice but to draft a legitimate replacement. We'll have a shot at Matt Barkley or RGIII. I'd be perfectly happy with either one.

If for some reason we don't draft a QB, we need a NTOTF. I haven't watched enough college football this year to know if there are any legit 1st round NT's worth taking. Also, drafting Trent Richardson sounds interesting. He would be a great compliment to Charles. If we end up trading down(which wouldn't surprise me at all), we could use another pass rushing OLB, a beastly MLB, or a starting guard/center/RT.

Lol, Charles (if he comes back the same he was) doesn't need a Trent Richardson compliment. He needs only a good enough powerful back. It's like you would put Charles and Peterson on the same team, do you really need that?? And trust me, having two supertar RBs on this team would only compensate marginally for the lack of QB.

This team has to do everything possible to get a top QB prospect in the first round. Anything else will be unacceptable.

This team also needs a nose tackle but with the return of Berry and if you put a decent QB on this team that can actually move the chains a bit to give some breaks to the defense, well a nose tackle as a top 10 pick is a NO NO.
In the second round though, that would be perfect.

Okie_Apparition 11-30-2011 07:00 PM

Charles was only good because he played a easy schedule anyway/trolling

Munson 11-30-2011 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 8157217)
Lol, Charles (if he comes back the same he was) doesn't need a Trent Richardson compliment. He needs only a good enough powerful back. It's like you would put Charles and Peterson on the same team, do you really need that?? And trust me, having two supertar RBs on this team would only compensate marginally for the lack of QB.

This team has to do everything possible to get a top QB prospect in the first round. Anything else will be unacceptable.

This team also needs a nose tackle but with the return of Berry and if you put a decent QB on this team that can actually move the chains a bit to give some breaks to the defense, well a nose tackle as a top 10 pick is a NO NO.
In the second round though, that would be perfect.

Drafting Richardson would also be an insurance policy. Nobody knows if Charles will ever be the same after the knee injury. Maybe he won't have the same speed and agility, or maybe he gets injured again. I hope he comes back 100%, but you just never know.

O.city 11-30-2011 07:42 PM

Couple things.

Tannehill, Foles, or Jones. No thanks. Atleast not until round 2 or 3.

I think Charles will eventually return to what he was. By the time next season starts it will pretty much be a year since he went down. With the technology and rehab they will go thru I think it will be fine.

I like RGIII or Barkley. They both are football guys. However, I don't really care if they are good guys or boy scouts like this front office wants. These guys are professional athletes who play on the team I like. As long as they are throwing touchdowns and leading us to playoff wins and Sb contention I don't care if they are assholes.

Just win baby.

HMc 11-30-2011 08:19 PM

i would deal all 7 picks to get Luck or RG3. Seriously. Those other 6 picks are only going to get us 2 or 3 mid level scrubs anyway to play on a team that will continue to suck without a franchise QB for another decade

O.city 11-30-2011 08:23 PM

We just need to suck the rest of this year.


Get RGIII or Barkley, draft true fan the rest of the way out. Get Berry, Charles and Mo back. Go from there.

This roster isn't as bad as some on here wanna say.

DTLB58 11-30-2011 08:23 PM

Trade.

kcxiv 11-30-2011 08:38 PM

there is no what if, there will be, we cant even score a ****ing touch down. we will move down in the draft.

tredadda 11-30-2011 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8157410)
We just need to suck the rest of this year.


Get RGIII or Barkley, draft true fan the rest of the way out. Get Berry, Charles and Mo back. Go from there.

This roster isn't as bad as some on here wanna say.

It's not. We have a couple of weaknesses here and there (we will always have holes on this team, every team does), but the most glaring one is QB. Fix that and we have the talent to go far.

tredadda 11-30-2011 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 8157450)
there is no what if, there will be, we cant even score a ****ing touch down. we will move down in the draft.

But starting Orton might allow us to steal a win. When he does the "true fans" will come on here and talk about how great that win felt regardless of what it does to the team's draft stock. They will then talk about how bringing in Orton and starting him was a great move.

O.city 11-30-2011 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 8157457)
It's not. We have a couple of weaknesses here and there (we will always have holes on this team, every team does), but the most glaring one is QB. Fix that and we have the talent to go far.

Yeah.


We need depth. Can never have too much depth. Couple of our holes this year are on IR so hopefully they come back next year healthy. The rookies from this year and last years draft class continue to grow.

There are a few older guys but overall this is a pretty young roster.

Hammock Parties 11-30-2011 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 8155586)
What If The QBOTF Isn't There?

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O.city 11-30-2011 08:50 PM

Who you endorsing for the pick, what is it Omega now?

Hammock Parties 11-30-2011 08:53 PM

RGIII

Reerun_KC 11-30-2011 08:53 PM

Barkley rg3 foles cousins Moore. Any of those 5 would do.

O.city 11-30-2011 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 8157483)
Barkley rg3 . Either of those two would do.

Fixed it for ya.

Reerun_KC 11-30-2011 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8157485)
Fixed it for ya.

Any of those 5 would work.

O.city 11-30-2011 09:12 PM

I am anxious to see what happens if we are in a spot to draft RGIII. He actually seems to fit Pioli's profile for drafting a player.

Epic Fail 007 11-30-2011 09:20 PM

look a rookie qb is not coming in and giving u a winning season so everyone stop crying about drafting a qb

O.city 11-30-2011 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eric007 (Post 8157529)
look a rookie qb is not coming in and giving u a winning season so everyone stop crying about drafting a qb

Andy Dalton would say otherwise.


WE have to draft a qb. Otherwise we are spinning our wheels.

ILChief 11-30-2011 09:32 PM

I am all for drafting a qb but it needs to be the right qb. I don't want to be like Minnesota last year and reach for a qb like ponder. Now this year they will be in position to grab Barkley but likely won't since they reached for ponder last year.

milkman 11-30-2011 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by eric007 (Post 8157529)
look a rookie qb is not coming in and giving u a winning season so everyone stop crying about drafting a qb

Who the **** is talking about a season?

We are talking about filling the most important position in team sports for 12 to 15 years.

I bet those Colt fans are still pissed about that losing season in 1999.

O.city 11-30-2011 09:36 PM

If we draft a qb in the first, he will be surrounded by a more talented team than any of the first rounders from last year are.

It's time.

ILChief 11-30-2011 09:40 PM

I am starting to see mock drafts with tannehill going in the mid first round. There could be a run on qb early. We really need to get ahead of Miami, washington, and Seattle

O.city 11-30-2011 09:41 PM

It's wash and miami we need to win a few more games. The Seahawks should beat the Cardinals or Rams (sorry Rams fan, Rams are really banged up right now).

ILChief 11-30-2011 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8157587)
It's wash and miami we need to win a few more games. The Seahawks should beat the Cardinals or Rams (sorry Rams fan, Rams are really banged up right now).

If we get ahead of those teams we should be able to get barkley

JCharles1981 11-30-2011 10:13 PM

Plain and simple, the Chiefs ALWAYS pass up a great opportunity to draft a superstar potential QB. They've passed on John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre when each of them could have easily been snatched up in the first round of the drafts they were in by the Chiefs. Problem is, the Chiefs' ball club are extremely bull-headed in this area and refuse to kick the habit of signing career back ups that sucked with other squads. Matt Cassell is the 3rd "so-called" QBOTF on the Chiefs since 1998 to have failed to meet the team's standards of what they look for in a QB of the Future. Elvis Grbac and Trent Green were the other two failed QBOTF's.

The Chiefs need a head coach that has the leadership of a guy like Bill Cowher or Don Shula, and an Offensive Coordinator that has multiple offensive strategies in case the first couple of strategies end up failing the team. And, they need a GM that has the enthusiasm of Carl Peterson, but is bold enough to think outside the box and give younger players at core offensive positions (QB, WR, RB) a fighting chance for longer than a year.

kcxiv 11-30-2011 10:15 PM

We dont need a Cowher as coach, not at all, we need a front office and a Head Coach that want to TRY to draft that franchise qb. Once that is filled (yes, i know its not easy) or at least take a shot at filling it, the rest will fall into place.

NJChiefsFan 11-30-2011 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8157587)
It's wash and miami we need to win a few more games. The Seahawks should beat the Cardinals or Rams (sorry Rams fan, Rams are really banged up right now).

Also every team in front of us is a team that could trade down to a team like WAS or MIA. We know MIA really wants one, atleast the owner does. I doubt KC moves up so to me every team above us is a threat to take a QB even if its just them trading to a team that wants one.

jd1020 11-30-2011 10:18 PM

TBH, Pioli has yet to be given the opportunity to draft a QB with what people would say has franchise potential.

JCharles1981 11-30-2011 10:19 PM

Cowher did take a chance on Ben Rothlisberger. Even though he has yet to win a Superbowl MVP honor, he did help the Steelers get to 2 Superbowls, the first with Cowher as Head Coach.

Three7s 11-30-2011 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCharles1981 (Post 8157649)
Plain and simple, the Chiefs ALWAYS pass up a great opportunity to draft a superstar potential QB. They've passed on John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre when each of them could have easily been snatched up in the first round of the drafts they were in by the Chiefs. Problem is, the Chiefs' ball club are extremely bull-headed in this area and refuse to kick the habit of signing career back ups that sucked with other squads. Matt Cassell is the 3rd "so-called" QBOTF on the Chiefs since 1998 to have failed to meet the team's standards of what they look for in a QB of the Future. Elvis Grbac and Steve Bono were the other two failed QBOTF's.

The Chiefs need a head coach that has the leadership of a guy like Bill Cowher or Don Shula, and an Offensive Coordinator that has multiple offensive strategies in case the first couple of strategies end up failing the team. And, they need a GM that has the enthusiasm of Carl Peterson, but is bold enough to think outside the box and give younger players at core offensive positions (QB, WR, RB) a fighting chance for longer than a year.

FYP

You may think Trent Green was "failed", but he was more than good enough to get us to a SB.

BossChief 11-30-2011 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8155653)
Flynn is the only backup from another team I'd be OK with - and only if we found a way to give Tom Clements the OC and QB coach position.

I think Clements would have been a great hire as OC....LAST YEAR.

Its too bad we had Cassel....I bet we called and he LOLd.

BTW to those that aren't aware of Clements history in KC...

Clements was a quarterback for us awhile ago and was actually a coach for us not too long ago. QB coach in 2000

So, he has history with the organization.

Epic Fail 007 11-30-2011 10:23 PM

WHAT WE NEED IS CLARK TO SELL THE TEAM TO A GUY WITH BALLS.OTHER WISE ITS GOING TO BE THE SAME WALMART MENTALITY .REAL TALK

BossChief 11-30-2011 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric007 (Post 8157679)
WHAT WE NEED IS CLARK TO SELL THE TEAM TO A GUY WITH BALLS.OTHER WISE ITS GOING TO BE THE SAME WALMART MENTALITY .REAL TALK

Clark wrote those checks, dumbass.

Cassel is Pioli's pet.

Chiefnj2 11-30-2011 10:29 PM

You do what you have to do to get RGIII. After Luck and Griffin, it's a bunch of average, Barkley included.

BossChief 11-30-2011 10:29 PM

Shit, just about every single one of these guys' pets have been EPIC FAILS

Mike Brown
Tyler Palko
Mike Vrabel
Leonard Pope
Anthony Becht
Matt Cassel
Jereme Urban

milkman 11-30-2011 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCharles1981 (Post 8157649)
Plain and simple, the Chiefs ALWAYS pass up a great opportunity to draft a superstar potential QB. They've passed on John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre when each of them could have easily been snatched up in the first round of the drafts they were in by the Chiefs. Problem is, the Chiefs' ball club are extremely bull-headed in this area and refuse to kick the habit of signing career back ups that sucked with other squads. Matt Cassell is the 3rd "so-called" QBOTF on the Chiefs since 1998 to have failed to meet the team's standards of what they look for in a QB of the Future. Elvis Grbac and Trent Green were the other two failed QBOTF's.

The Chiefs need a head coach that has the leadership of a guy like Bill Cowher or Don Shula, and an Offensive Coordinator that has multiple offensive strategies in case the first couple of strategies end up failing the team. And, they need a GM that has the enthusiasm of Carl Peterson, but is bold enough to think outside the box and give younger players at core offensive positions (QB, WR, RB) a fighting chance for longer than a year.

Learn something new every day.

We passed on John Elway.

I didn't know that we drafted ahead of the first overall pick.

JCharles1981 11-30-2011 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8157709)
Learn something new every day.

We passed on John Elway.

I didn't know that we drafted ahead of the first overall pick.

Whoops! My bad :doh!:.

Frankie 11-30-2011 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCharles1981 (Post 8157649)
Plain and simple, the Chiefs ALWAYS pass up a great opportunity to draft a superstar potential QB. They've passed on John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre when each of them could have easily been snatched up in the first round of the drafts they were in by the Chiefs. ....

John Elway was the first pick of the draft. We didn't pick first.

Also in 1979 we maneuvered to get ahead of the 49ers to get Clemson QB Steve Fuller whom they coveted. The had to settle in the 3rd round (the end of 3rd actually) for this QB named Joe Montana. Not quite a 6th rounder like Brady, but many teams passed on Montana.

Frankie 11-30-2011 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric007 (Post 8157679)
WHAT WE NEED IS CLARK TO SELL THE TEAM TO A GUY WITH BALLS.OTHER WISE ITS GOING TO BE THE SAME WALMART MENTALITY .REAL TALK

Will the next owner have the Hunts' loyalty to KC not to move the team?

Epic Fail 007 11-30-2011 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8157691)
Clark wrote those checks, dumbass.

Cassel is Pioli's pet.

wtf are u talking about?i never said he did not right the checks,and whats with the hate no reason call me a dumbass,ASSHOLE F OFF:#

Bugeater 11-30-2011 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric007 (Post 8157759)
wtf are u talking about?i never said he did not right the checks,and whats with the hate no reason call me a dumbass,ASSHOLE F OFF:#

Weren't you supposed to shoot yourself in the face?

milkman 11-30-2011 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric007 (Post 8157759)
wtf are u talking about?i never said he did not right the checks,and whats with the hate no reason call me a dumbass,ASSHOLE F OFF:#

No reason at all to call you a dumbass.

Well, except for the fact that you're are an illiterate who posts dumbassery.

But other than that, no reason at all.

The Bad Guy 11-30-2011 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 8155636)
I don't think the Chiefs have the staff necessary to develop a QB. Zorn is overrated, Flacco is meh and Jason Campbell is shit.

What a load of dog shit this post is, again.

Like it takes some ****ing rocket scientist to develop a franchise QB. You really think that Mike Mularkey developed Matt Ryan? You probably couldn't name the QB coaches that Drew Brees, or Aaron Rodgers have had either.

BossChief 11-30-2011 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8157770)
No reason at all to call you a dumbass.

Well, except for the fact that you're are an illiterate who posts dumbassery.

But other than that, no reason at all.

He has probably read this post 10 times and still doesn't understand what's going on.

rico 11-30-2011 11:17 PM

To the older fans on here: What was the fan reaction when the Chiefs selected Todd Blackledge? Were the hopes generally high? Were there people speculating that he would be a major bust? How did people feel about the pick before Blackledge blacked out?

BossChief 11-30-2011 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ricoswaff (Post 8157803)
To the older fans on here: What was the fan reaction when the Chiefs selected Todd Blackledge? Were the hopes generally high? Were there people speculating that he would be a major bust? How did people feel about the pick before Blackledge blacked out?

this

Frankie 11-30-2011 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricoswaff (Post 8157803)
To the older fans on here: What was the fan reaction when the Chiefs selected Todd Blackledge? Were the hopes generally high? Were there people speculating that he would be a major bust? How did people feel about the pick before Blackledge blacked out?

I don't know about others, but I was terribly bummed.

I wanted nothing to do with Blackledge. With no chance at Elway I wanted Jim Kelly or Tony Eason. Marino had a bad senior season so it was a red flag for me.

Madden's mock predicted the Chiefs to pick Blackledge and I get a feeling that was good enough for the Chiefs front office. I'm still hurting about that pick, bypassing Kelly, Eason, and (in retrospect) Marino.

Urc Burry 12-01-2011 12:16 AM

Really there is no other position to even consider where we are picking. Although I wouldn't be upset if Kalil slipped to us, even though I'm fine with Albert at LT. Also I'm very high on Trent Richardson. I think he will surpass AP's career. Burfict may of been in the conversation in Belchers spot but I think its safe to say hes ****ed that up this season.

NJChiefsFan 12-01-2011 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 8157904)
Really there is no other position to even consider where we are picking. Although I wouldn't be upset if Kalil slipped to us, even though I'm fine with Albert at LT. Also I'm very high on Trent Richardson. I think he will surpass AP's career. Burfict may of been in the conversation in Belchers spot but I think its safe to say hes ****ed that up this season.

As far as the arguement of needing to fix those spots its alright but this organization needs to stop the bleeding and make a statement. The roster talent isn't that bad, certainly the starters are decent. All that becomes clear if we find a QB. We certainly have the money to go get RT or NT if the situation comes up.

Its just time to take a chance. If we do and it fails, then maybe we get really lucky and Stanzi or even Orton works out. We can't afford to take that chance. To me its a much bigger gamble to pass on a QB or not trade up and let Orton/Stanzi/Cassel lead the group of players we have locked up. To me the question of which is a bigger gamble isn't even close.

rico 12-01-2011 01:21 AM

I have spent a lot of time watching videos of Luck, Barkley and RG3 lately. I have watched Luck all year and watched Barkley in the Stanford vs. USC game. Not to mention, an array of youtube vids. Anyways, I may be in the minority here, but the one who impresses me the most out of all three of them is RG3. Luck is dynamite for sure as well... I don't think anyone in the right mind would question that, but Barkley.... he seems to be slow on his feet, have a slow release and overthrow his receivers a lot. I watched Landry Jones vs. Texas, in which OU killed them, but to be honest.... something about the guy reminded me a lot of Cassel so I didn't want to watch him for the remainder of the year. I'd be very upset if the Chiefs ended up with him.

I am calling hype on Barkley and Jones and yes I am aware of Barkley's 39/7 TD/Int... due to the eye test, I'm still not convinced.

NJChiefsFan 12-01-2011 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricoswaff (Post 8157943)
I have spent a lot of time watching videos of Luck, Barkley and RG3 lately. I have watched Luck all year and watched Barkley in the Stanford vs. USC game. Not to mention, an array of youtube vids. Anyways, I may be in the minority here, but the one who impresses me the most out of all three of them is RG3. Luck is dynamite for sure as well... I don't think anyone in the right mind would question that, but Barkley.... he seems to be slow on his feet, have a slow release and overthrow his receivers a lot. I watched Landry Jones vs. Texas, in which OU killed them, but to be honest.... something about the guy reminded me a lot of Cassel so I didn't want to watch him for the remainder of the year. I'd be very upset if the Chiefs ended up with him.

I am calling hype on Barkley and Jones and yes I am aware of Barkley's 39/7 TD/Int... due to the eye test, I'm still not convinced.

The only full game I have seen of RG3 was the game against OU and as great as he looked at times, he over-threw his recievers a lot in that game. I like what I see from him a lot, but I haven't seen enough to make me think passing-wise he is above Barkley right now.

Barkley has sold me a lot more as of late. To me its really close right now and I would be happy with either one of them.

Reality is, that even if the schedule plays out in our favor across the league, we may be taking the 3rd QB in this draft. Not only can a few teams that need a QB finish ahead of us, but a trade is always an option for teams like MIA or WAS. I doubt Pioli trades up for a QB. We can't even be sure we take one at all. Even if we do want a QB the choice may be made for us. I just hope we have a shot at one of them.

ILChief 12-01-2011 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JCharles1981 (Post 8157649)
Plain and simple, the Chiefs ALWAYS pass up a great opportunity to draft a superstar potential QB. They've passed on John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre when each of them could have easily been snatched up in the first round of the drafts they were in by the Chiefs. Problem is, the Chiefs' ball club are extremely bull-headed in this area and refuse to kick the habit of signing career back ups that sucked with other squads. Matt Cassell is the 3rd "so-called" QBOTF on the Chiefs since 1998 to have failed to meet the team's standards of what they look for in a QB of the Future. Elvis Grbac and Trent Green were the other two failed QBOTF's.

The Chiefs need a head coach that has the leadership of a guy like Bill Cowher or Don Shula, and an Offensive Coordinator that has multiple offensive strategies in case the first couple of strategies end up failing the team. And, they need a GM that has the enthusiasm of Carl Peterson, but is bold enough to think outside the box and give younger players at core offensive positions (QB, WR, RB) a fighting chance for longer than a year.

Actually if you look back at the last 10 to 15 years they haven't really had an opportunity to draft any quarterbacks that have turned out to be great other than Rogers and Brady

MahiMike 12-01-2011 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8157146)
you can shove flynn up stanzi's ass and throw them both off a bridge...

anything that is not drafting a 1rd round QB next year is a complete and total ****ing disaster...

So if Flynn was drafted in the 2nd round, would that make him play any better?

MahiMike 12-01-2011 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Munson (Post 8157244)
Drafting Richardson would also be an insurance policy. Nobody knows if Charles will ever be the same after the knee injury. Maybe he won't have the same speed and agility, or maybe he gets injured again. I hope he comes back 100%, but you just never know.

Richardson = LJ
Charles = Priest

Same deal. We need other players.

Fansy the Famous Bard 12-01-2011 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 8158059)
So if Flynn was drafted in the 2nd round, would that make him play any better?

No, but it'd be a better indication of his level 'o talent according to the professional scouts.

Sofa King 12-01-2011 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JCharles1981 (Post 8157649)
Plain and simple, the Chiefs ALWAYS pass up a great opportunity to draft a superstar potential QB. They've passed on John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre when each of them could have easily been snatched up in the first round of the drafts they were in by the Chiefs. Problem is, the Chiefs' ball club are extremely bull-headed in this area and refuse to kick the habit of signing career back ups that sucked with other squads. Matt Cassell is the 3rd "so-called" QBOTF on the Chiefs since 1998 to have failed to meet the team's standards of what they look for in a QB of the Future. Elvis Grbac and Trent Green were the other two failed QBOTF's.

The Chiefs need a head coach that has the leadership of a guy like Bill Cowher or Don Shula, and an Offensive Coordinator that has multiple offensive strategies in case the first couple of strategies end up failing the team. And, they need a GM that has the enthusiasm of Carl Peterson, but is bold enough to think outside the box and give younger players at core offensive positions (QB, WR, RB) a fighting chance for longer than a year.

A shitload of teams passed on those QB's you mentioned, but way to live in the past.... No mention that we have a new owner and new front office with no connection to those years.

Trent Green wasn't a failed QB for us. He was actually very good. It was the horseshit defense that ****ed us.

And Bill Cowher? Get the **** outta here. 1 SB ring in 15 ****ing years.... No coaches get 15 years anymore, and they shouldn't.

Sofa King 12-01-2011 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by eric007 (Post 8157679)
WHAT WE NEED IS CLARK TO SELL THE TEAM TO A GUY WITH BALLS.OTHER WISE ITS GOING TO BE THE SAME WALMART MENTALITY .REAL TALK

How is this obvious troll not banned yet?

Deberg_1990 12-01-2011 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 8158100)
A shitload of teams passed on those QB's you mentioned, but way to live in the past.... No mention that we have a new owner and new front office with no connection to those years.

Trent Green wasn't a failed QB for us. He was actually very good. It was the horseshit defense that ****ed us.

And Bill Cowher? Get the **** outta here. 1 SB ring in 15 ****ing years.... No coaches get 15 years anymore, and they shouldn't.

He also failed to mention we passed on Aaron Rodgers as well......but who keeps track of these things? : )


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