Is this fixable?

Nah - same era though.

He is better than Cassel at certain aspects but he can't throw the ****ing ball at all. Even compared to Cassel.

In my highly undervalued opinion, I think you're right there, Mr. Coogs.

A change at quarterback can mean as much to a team as it does to a fanbase. I firmly believe that every player on the Chiefs was reaching the end of their rope for Cassel. I'll bet that if you took an anonymous poll of the players, they'd vote him off the team entirely ... or, at least as a starter.

It seems to me it would be very difficult to get up for the game week after week when you know in your heart that your quarterback is a certified, gold-star doofus.

Professional sports teams function at a high level depending on a variety of factors. There's money. There's pride. There's competitive nature. There's purple drank. There's self-preservation. There's the roar of the crowd and the smell of the grease paint. There's all that stuff.

Win or lose, you're going to get paid, but I think a lot of these guys would just as soon win and anything a staff can do to make them believe they have a chance is a net positive. A change at quarterback is one of those things.

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I was not able to see the game but I am curious about something. I noticed that Palko looked like a different QB on the last two drives last week. He was active before the snap and seemed to be much more in charge, moving people around before the snap and pointing out defenders. Was he like that at all this week?

Pretty much. From the standpoint of breaking the huddle, evaluating the defensive look, and making moose ears, he seemed in control.

Then things would go downhill for a few seconds.

You could tell, though, that he was extremely well prepared.

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Actually watching Palko in action today I was making this comment to the wife, that he seems to have an understanding of the game and some talent in directing formation changes, reading the D, etc. He's just so woefully unarmed in the physical talent department that it's painful to watch him sometimes. It's like his mind is willing but the almighty just has not put the arm strength, accuracy into his body. Palko is just the type of player that might make a very good coach someday.

Tell me we don't have a thread featuring a guy who almost seems to be worshiping Tyler Palko. One decent game out of three has yet to convince me that he has done any better than Matt Cassell this season.

I'll give Palko 1 thing. He doesn't take sacks on hail mary's.

His arm isn't his best feature but he did chuck the rock 55+ yards today. I know most of us throw 70+ but 55 isn't really a completely weak arm. He just has some mechanics to work out. Don't misunderstand. Still not a Palko fan but he's not as awful as some of you would like to think. He is what he is - a journeyman career backup from 3 leagues. That's not going to get you far but he is what we have for now and I happen to enjoy watching him scamper away from pressure. Haven't really seen that in 3 years.

If we could just combine Palko's awareness and heart with Cassel's ability and toughness...wait, we'd still have a piece of shit QB.

Steve Young?

In the 20 some odd drives led by Palko we have 1 TD on a fluke
play on a hail Mary. I don't enjoy watching Palko
play at all. Cassel is a more viable QB even though his pocket mechanics and reads are worse. This is not an edirsement of Cassel, but a demonstration of how bad Palko is.

Indeed. If Cassel were in there, likely we'd have won against the Steelers and I believe we would have won yesterday as well.

BUT...Palko is fun to watch simply because he moves around, and also just seeing his fail has GOT to get the Chiefs in a better position to draft a QB while at the same time guys are getting some experience. The Defense I believe (barring injury) is going to be downright scary as hell next year. Add to that Charles, Moeaki and hopefully an improved QB and the Chiefs are going to be a good team.

When I watch Palko play I get the same empty inside, light headed feeling i get right after an huge shit.

and he doesn't throw his hand into the opposing D's helmets!:)

Ok.

We don't have a thread featuring a guy who almost seems to be worshiping Tyler Palko.

There ya go. Glad to help out.

He'll make a good coach.

as opposed to Cassel, Yes.

I agree to a point too, because he's not the untouchable goldenboy when he ****s up.

agreed.

:clap::clap::clap:

Trust me, I do not worship Palko. But the dude is giving me hope. Hope that the front office can see the need for a real QB, and a real leader at the QB position.

Personally, I don't think Cassel is all that as a leader. His post game comments have to piss off his teammates. Such things as... "I impressed myself".

Palko on the other hand states he is bothered by the fact that he let his teammates down. And I think they are all paying harder... on both sides of the ball... but especially on defense.

I disagree completely. I think Pioli looks at the team with Palko and says that with the D playing like they are now, Cassel would be putting up more points and they'd be winning comfortably.

We are going to be on opposite sides of the fence on this one nj. You know the defense has to sit in on film sessions... if not live action on Sundays... and see Cassel miss open receiver after open receiver, and then say things like he was very good in his performance during the game. Same goes for the offense.

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the Defense probably would give the effort we've seen vs the Steelers and the Bears if Cassel was playing. they know they have as much of a chance at winning with him as a snowball in hell.

Palko is an enigma. He looks decent in several areas and seems to be able to move the ball. But then he'll make some bone headed decision and its a turnover. Kinda like Grbac.

They didn't make the playoffs with him last year.

He is a journeyman QB. But he does a lot of good things. If you were expecting our backup QB to be Rodgers, Brees, or Brady... then yes you probably think he totally sucks, like many people here do.

And he really hasn't turned it over since early in the game against the Steelers where he had the 3 in 3 plays. The one at the end of the game you really can't fault anyone. Time was running short, and a play had to be made. That's just football.

the Playoff season with cassel last year was tainted with a cupcake schedule, just look at it as if it didn't really happen.

You know whoreman, you really need to get out of this slump. Maybe a lithium or a diet coke

Sure I can. That was a reeruned play. You have to protect the ball, especially on a game-winning drive. An incomplete pass there is far more acceptable than forcing it into pentuple coverage. Pumping off the safety and hitting Baldwin over the top would also have been better. Or throwing the ball out of bounds.

Yea, i enjoy watching him play too. Heres our 13 drives yesterday:


punt
punt
punt
punt
punt
Hail Mary TD
FG
punt
punt
punt
punt
punt
punt


Masterful!

We had 38 yards to go and 38 seconds left with no timeouts. It's doeable yes, but at the same time we were not talking Rodgers here. This is a journeyman QB in his 2nd career start against the Steelers defense. Plus his #1 WR apparently communicated something to him during the route, then proceeded to do something different. Hard to fault a journeyman QB with virtually no experience from throwing to his #1 WR with the game on the line.

I guess I can enjoy a defensive game just as much as a 45-42 shootout. Now I really don't want to see 10-3 or so every week, but hey! :shrug:

1) IIRC, we still had a timeout.
2) Tyler Palko isn't some rookie. He's 28 and has been in and out of the nfl for several seasons.
3) You can speculate all you'd like on who miscommunicated what, but you don't know shit, so don't state it like its a fact.
4) And yes, I can blame Palko for that pass. It was awful.
5) Palko single-handedly LOST that game.
6) I'm not sure why you are white-knighting on Palko's behalf here. He has zero talent. He is not fun to watch. But hey, at least he can administer an offense.

There is a big difference between saying "I enjoy defensive games" and "I enjoy watching my offense punt 11 times".

There is also a big difference between a defensive game and a game in which both offenses are horribly incompetent.

You are correct on the first one.

As for the rest of it... damn dude!

So our defense had nothing to do with that game?

Any NFL defense should dominate each of these offenses.

I enjoy a defensive game more.

That said, I don't want it to be due to our complete ineptitude on offense with weapons out there...

This might deserves its own thread, but Colquitt was pretty masterful yesterday. He did a nice job of hanging the punts so Hester couldnt return them. The one he had to hit after the pentalty was pure awesome. He hung it to the side of the field where Hester had to let it bounce and couldnt return it. Beautiful.

I think he has used up his eligibility.

You must live in a different dimension or something. Wither that or you're mistaking Palko for Flacco. Ya, that could be it.
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I agree, it is like getting a tooth pulled, instead of your ear cut off with a butter knife.

Pocket awareness is a huge improvement, but damn, the guy is left handed and has his left foot forward in a gay pose at release.

Nobody could throw it very far doing that.

You would have thought the California Redwoods might have cured that problem.

If you take away the lucky hail mary, Palko has a 4 ypa. That's remarkably low.

The only bright side that I saw to Palko was that he didn't let the Bears early domination get in his head like it would have Cassel. The first quarter the OL was atrocious. That would have set Cassel off into a downward spiral. At least Palko was able to shake it off and play to his normal level of suckitude rather than get worse.

This.

Tyler "Pro Bowl" Palko

id like to watch him play russian roulette with 5 loaded cylinders ....

There is nothing fun about watching this guy play football..

Only thing he has done is prove to us that the OL still needs desperate Help and that Cassel sucks a lot less than Palko...

Watching him play football destroys the soul of NFL fans everwhere.

So he's actually BETTER for what these coaches want to do than Matt Cassel.

:deevee:

You must not be watching the games.

His play has definitively proven that this line is more than adequate.

O-line got a lot better when Lilja went out for Hudson.

Not really. The running game is still bad.

Yep!

That is why Battle and Jones are ripping the NFL a new one right now...

I watched about as much as my stomach could take....

Agree... Thanks to one of Palkos moronic passes....

That might have to do with how bad the RBs are.

A good OL can open lanes for anyone.

Shitty RBs + no fear of the passing game by the defense = running game the o-line from the 2005 Chiefs couldn't save

Minus the hail mary he's averaging about FOUR yards per attempt. Other teams know we can't throw.

It's pretty simple.

The running game is still bad. I'd say KC's run game is actually worse than it is statistically because of all the garbage yardage picked up on draw plays on 3rd and 10+.

I had hoped Palko would play well enough to demonstrate that Cassel was the main problem. He really hasn't, but he does some things obviously better than Cassel.

The one thing playing Palko demonstrates though is that Cassel and Haley can't get along. Look at the relationship a good QB and good coach have. These guys are so obviously estranged from one another that Muir had to be the intermediary and call the plays. Haley works with Palko.

I have to believe Pioli sees it can't work between the two, and will dump one of them. Sure hope it's Cassel.

They're outmanned on every play because of our shit QBs.

Other teams can stack the box against the run and blitz on every pass because we can't throw downfield. There's no threat of getting burned deep so they don't have to defend it.

Statistically speaking, when you break it down, we only need to improve in a few areas; first down, second down, and third down. We have fourth down down pretty good. We don't have those other downs down, though, so it's easy for the casual fan to get down on those downs.

We need to get up for downs.

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9th in the league in rushing, but 24th in YPC. Top 3-5 running game again with a healthy Charles.

Does anyone know if Stanzi is receiving any snaps with the 1st team in practise ?

Does anyone know if Stanzi is receiving any snaps with the 1st team in practise ?

I sure don't want Palko as the future of the franchise, but I'd say he seems more comfortable under center than Cassel does.

He's definitely got poise, but his arm is AWFUL.

Looks like Cassel has flat out worn out his welcome in KC

They don't even tell Stanzi the address of the practice field.

Cassel was never welcomed in Kansas City.

This much should be 100% crystal clear to anyone with eyes. :(

Yup. Immediate search for a real QB better be priority #1 for the off-season. Period.

JFC, you guys are goddamn insane.

Palko is the worst thing ever. The only passes he can complete are bubble screens.

You are just looking at his arm, everybody knows that sucks but the rest of his game is fine. The OL isn't looking down right horrible, he has made the right reads and goes through progressions very well. Generally he makes the right throw, just doesn't have the talent to do it.

Green Bay sucks at running the ball. Do they need a new offensive line?

They have two first round OTs how can they suck? ;)