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Chiefnj2 12-20-2011 10:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8222762)
You have to worry about Orton/Cassel NOW.

Because if they're going with Cassel, there is no QBotF in April. I still firmly believe that Pioli thinks CASSEL is the future.

With Orton, it's a pretty obvious stop-gap move.
I don't know how you could come to the conclusion that management views Orton as a stop gap but Cassel as a long term solution. They are very similar.

RealSNR 12-20-2011 10:53 AM
DID YOU IDIOT ****ING TRUE FANS SEE THE GODDAMN OFFENSIVE LINE PLAY YESTERDAY?

****!

Lzen 12-20-2011 11:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8222796)
DID YOU IDIOT ****ING TRUE FANS SEE THE GODDAMN OFFENSIVE LINE PLAY YESTERDAY?

****!
It's been obvious to me that Cassel doesn't read a defense quickly enough and/or stays with one receiver too long. People were talking about the offensive line being so horrible after that Miami debacle. But I contend that a lot of that you can blame on the QB play (due to poor read/recognition skills) and not the offensive line.

htismaqe 12-20-2011 11:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8222791)
I don't know how you could come to the conclusion that management views Orton as a stop gap but Cassel as a long term solution. They are very similar.
Orton was acquired off waivers, after the trade deadline.

The other required the trading of a 2nd round pick and a $67M contract.

The 2 QBs are definitely similar but their situations couldn't be more different.

Beef Supreme 12-20-2011 11:06 AM
Anything but Cassel is my new mantra. Stop gap, draft pick, free agent, I don't care.

Chiefnj2 12-20-2011 11:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8222825)
Orton was acquired off waivers, after the trade deadline.

The other required the trading of a 2nd round pick and a $67M contract.

The 2 QBs are definitely similar but their situations couldn't be more different.
I think how Cassel was acquired 3 years ago is largely irrelevant. Pioli knows he has 1 more chance to make things better or lose his job and forever be known as the guy who hung on Belichick's coattails. I don't think the original contract is a factor anymore.

tecumseh 12-20-2011 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8222396)
Cut C@$$hole and Palko.

Resign Orton to a 3 year deal.

Draft the best QB we can trade up for...
Put me down for one of these. Cassel will probably still be on the roster, though ,at #2.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-20-2011 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by wutamess (Post 8222377)
OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!
With fans like this, who needs Raider trolls?

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-20-2011 11:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8222474)
The only thing I will say in Orton's defense:

He never had a running game AND a defense in Denver.

The Broncos were 18th in rushing and 7th in defense his first year.

His second year they were 26th in rushing and 32nd in defense.

In KC he will most likely have a top 10 running game and top 15 defense next season.
A top 10 defense and a mediocre running game with a legitimate #1 receiver should be more than enough for any quality QB to make a run, not finish 8-8.

htismaqe 12-20-2011 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8222842)
I think how Cassel was acquired 3 years ago is largely irrelevant. Pioli knows he has 1 more chance to make things better or lose his job and forever be known as the guy who hung on Belichick's coattails. I don't think the original contract is a factor anymore.
That could very well be true.

It also could be true that Pioli is SO consumed by the need to prove himself that he's going to ride Cassel all the way to the bottom, no matter what.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-20-2011 11:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8222762)
You have to worry about Orton/Cassel NOW.

Because if they're going with Cassel, there is no QBotF in April. I still firmly believe that Pioli thinks CASSEL is the future.

With Orton, it's a pretty obvious stop-gap move.
To you it's an obvious stopgap move. To fans, and perhaps to Pioli, it's a diamond in the rough.

King_Chief_Fan 12-20-2011 11:16 AM
Orton did a good job Sunday. However, the Chiefs have the same problem they have had all year...can't score within the red zone. It is the same problem Orton had in Denver.

Maybe it is the play calling but I am not sold on him being the guy except for the time it takes to bring the QBOTF (if we get one) to be brought up to speed. He is indeed a better QB than Cassel has demonstrated.

Hammock Parties 12-20-2011 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8222857)
A top 10 defense and a mediocre running game with a legitimate #1 receiver should be more than enough for any quality QB to make a run, not finish 8-8.
Well, his coach WAS Josh McDaniels.

DaKCMan AP 12-20-2011 11:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8222825)
Orton was acquired off waivers, after the trade deadline.

The other required the trading of a 2nd round pick and a $67M contract.

The 2 QBs are definitely similar but their situations couldn't be more different.
Business 101: any compensation or money previously spent on Cassel is a sunk cost.

htismaqe 12-20-2011 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8222881)
Business 101: any compensation or money previously spent on Cassel is a sunk cost.
You missed my point. The way in which the two were acquired is important because of how they might FEEL about the two. This isn't about business.

They gave Cassel the biggest contract in team history before he had ever played a snap for the Chiefs.

Pioli has a PERSONAL affinity for Cassel.

DaKCMan AP 12-20-2011 11:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8222898)
You missed my point. The way in which the two were acquired is important because of how they might FEEL about the two. This isn't about business.

They gave Cassel the biggest contract in team history before he had ever played a snap for the Chiefs.

Pioli has a PERSONAL affinity for Cassel.
I'm hoping he had a personal affinity for Cassel.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-20-2011 11:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8222875)
Well, his coach WAS Josh McDaniels.
Norv Turner, Barry Switzer, Jim Caldwell, Herm Edwards.

htismaqe 12-20-2011 11:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8222905)
I'm hoping he had a personal affinity for Cassel.
I thought about adding that caveat but figured it was just wishful thinking at this point... ;)

Lzen 12-20-2011 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 8222870)
Orton did a good job Sunday. However, the Chiefs have the same problem they have had all year...can't score within the red zone. It is the same problem Orton had in Denver.

Maybe it is the play calling but I am not sold on him being the guy except for the time it takes to bring the QBOTF (if we get one) to be brought up to speed. He is indeed a better QB than Cassel has demonstrated.
I am not ready to crown Orton as the QBOTF after just one game, but I don't think you can blame him for the red zone issues against GB. On the first, he threw the out pattern in a perfect spot, IMO to the receiver (McClain?). On the second one where they came away with no points, I would blame the play calling and/or execution of the blockers. Keep in mind that one was all running.

Hammock Parties 12-20-2011 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8222906)
Norv Turner, Barry Switzer, Jim Caldwell, Herm Edwards.
http://i39.tinypic.com/5x4dgz.jpg

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-20-2011 11:49 AM
Duck and cover, Miles, you dumb sonofabitch.

Chiefnj2 12-20-2011 11:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8222898)

Pioli has a PERSONAL affinity for Cassel.
Both McDaniels and Pioli felt Cassel was a franchise. Nobody has any idea if they still feel that way.

People keep talking about Pioli being too stubborn to move on from players, but where is the proof? He's parted ways pretty quickly with early draft picks like Magee. He hasn't forced coaches to keep free agent acquisitions that they didn't want - he must have brought in at least 8 WRs in 3 years.

Okie_Apparition 12-20-2011 11:59 AM
I expect a DurangoOrtonStalker to show up any day now

chiefscafan 12-20-2011 12:15 PM
Not to repeat what others have said but plunket, Gannon, even the great Len Dawson weren't great at their first stop. Sometimes there are factors such as people around them or the opportunity.

How do we know Orton wasn't just looking for an opportunity with a team with pieces around him.

Not comparing him to these QBs but you never know sometimes it takes people longer for it all to click maybe this is the case.

DaKCMan AP 12-20-2011 12:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 8223017)
Not to repeat what others have said but plunket, Gannon, even the great Len Dawson weren't great at their first stop. Sometimes there are factors such as people around them or the opportunity.

How do we know Orton wasn't just looking for an opportunity with a team with pieces around him.

Not comparing him to these QBs but you never know sometimes it takes people longer for it all to click maybe this is the case.
During Drew Brees' best season in San Diego he threw for 1200+ yards less than his worst season in New Orleans.

chiefscafan 12-20-2011 12:24 PM
Personally I draft Hightower ILB from Bama first get OT in second

Draft a QB third round

Sign a young NT FA, OG, S, TE

Resign Orton, CARR, BOwe, MCClain

Trade Cassel for whatever

That's my offseason

DaWolf 12-20-2011 12:25 PM
Orton's not the answer and I'm expecting a stinker from him any day now.

If we're just looking for a three year answer while we look to find a successor in a year or two, why not just go all in and go get Manning, assuming he forces the Colts hand?

http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbsspor...75988/33964169

DaKCMan AP 12-20-2011 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 8223029)
Personally I draft Hightower ILB from Bama first get OT in second

Draft a QB third round

Sign a young NT FA, OG, S, TE

Resign Orton, CARR, BOwe, MCClain

Trade Cassel for whatever

That's my offseason
This year you can likely get a quality OT in rd 3 or 4.

Cassel, especially with his contract, has no trade value. Just cut his ass.

alpha_omega 12-20-2011 12:33 PM
Better than Mark Castle....absolutely!

QBOTF....absolutely NOT!

Chief Faithful 12-20-2011 12:37 PM
The issue with Orton has always been consistency. He can make all the throws, spreads the ball well and has good leadership qualities on the field. The problem sometimes he just turns stoopid. While he has had good former QB coaches as Head Coaches (McBust) he has never had a good QB coach and good receivers, which the Chiefs have both. If he can develop some consistency I believe Orton will be a very good QB.

Didn't Orton start as a rookie over Grossman in Chicago?

Okie_Apparition 12-20-2011 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Shox (Post 8222511)
Giving away draft picks to move up when you still have holes to fill for a QB who might be Ryan Leaf, David Carr, etc etc is stupid.

If we had the Oline fixed, a nose tackle, ILB, another pass rusher and a RB to complement Charles. Sure give all our picks to get one of the top 2 QBs....but we don't.

Sign Orton to a 2-3 year deal and keep looking for the next Tom Brady later in draft. Orton is still young and seems to still be improving. He will make us a playoff caliber team at the worst and who knows he might be a Gannon or Simms type QB and get to a superbowl.
Oh My
I'd better pop some corn

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-20-2011 12:43 PM
Why draft a QB when we can pick up a RT, NT, sign Orton and be ready for a Super Bowl run?

Pasta Little Brioni 12-20-2011 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8223060)
Why draft a QB when we can pick up a RT, NT, sign Orton and be ready for a Super Bowl run?
Worked in his Madden 'chise

chiefscafan 12-20-2011 12:48 PM
Lol I think it's funny people want to trade for manning the dude has a broken neck??? Um he might be done. No probably is done.

Mr. Laz 12-20-2011 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8222387)
There's a reason Broncos fans hated him.

Pressure mostly turns him into a puddle of goo.
you do realize that pressure turns most QB's into a puddle of goo?

htismaqe 12-20-2011 12:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 8223029)
Personally I draft Hightower ILB from Bama first get OT in second

Draft a QB third round

Sign a young NT FA, OG, S, TE

Resign Orton, CARR, BOwe, MCClain

Trade Cassel for whatever

That's my offseason
With all the needs this team has, you draft an ILB in the first?

WTF

chiefscafan 12-20-2011 12:49 PM
DaKCman

What is the hit if we cut cassel??

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-20-2011 12:49 PM
Chiefs fans will do anything to rationalize avoiding having to draft and develop a first round QB.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-20-2011 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8223087)
With all the needs this team has, you draft an ILB in the first?

WTF
Keep ****ing doubting Jovan Belcher :cuss:

KC_Lee 12-20-2011 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8223089)
Chiefs fans will do anything to rationalize avoiding having to draft and develop a first round QB.
And that's just sad....

Stryker 12-20-2011 12:56 PM
Orton is not the answer - he is a "short" term solution. Ditch Cassel and Palko, draft a QB in the first and keep Stanzi and Orton (1 yr. contract ?).

What would you say if the zebra shows his stripes in the next 2 games? Will he still be the "answer"? I like him better than Cassel but not as a permenant solution.

htismaqe 12-20-2011 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 8223088)
DaKCman

What is the hit if we cut cassel??
I'm not 100% certain of the cap implications but all of the guaranteed money has already been paid, so the cash hit to Hunt is basically zero.

chiefscafan 12-20-2011 01:00 PM
Yes because add Hightower this D becomes elite and makes up for a lot of defficiencies.

DaKCMan AP 12-20-2011 01:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 8223088)
DaKCman

What is the hit if we cut cassel??
Who cares? We've been operating $30mil under the cap.

ChiefsCountry 12-20-2011 01:01 PM
Hightower will be available in the 2nd round.

chiefscafan 12-20-2011 01:02 PM
Hmm thanks hts

I thought that I'm hoping pioli moves on from cassel not sure if he will though

chiefscafan 12-20-2011 01:03 PM
I'm saying we should draft the guy reminds me of ray Lewis a beast on the field

durtyrute 12-20-2011 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8222773)
We also have no idea how the combined multiple picks (however many) used ot move up will play in the NFL. It's all uncertain. You're using the excuse of uncertainty to not give up uncertainty. It's completely illogical.
No, I'm using the fact that we just drafted a QB, that we haven't even seen, and the fact that we have one now, that will do for a few years, as an excuse. If the BPA is a QB so be it. I'm not selling my soul for anyone in the draft. Let Stanzi and the unknown battle it out. I'm all about getting a shiny new QB but I'm not giving up 2 first and 2 seconds or whatever unreasonable crap you guys are throwing out. If it's something like this years 1st and next years 2 second, I'll do that, but I'm not going to go all crazy for anyone.

DaKCMan AP 12-20-2011 01:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 8223176)
No, I'm using the fact that we just drafted a QB, that we haven't even seen, and the fact that we have one now, that will do for a few years, as an excuse. If the BPA is a QB so be it. I'm not selling my soul for anyone in the draft. Let Stanzi and the unknown battle it out. I'm all about getting a shiny new QB but I'm not giving up 2 first and 2 seconds or whatever unreasonable crap you guys are throwing out. If it's something like this years 1st and next years 2 second, I'll do that, but I'm not going to go all crazy for anyone.
If the BPA is a WR do you draft him?
If the BPA is a SS do you draft him?
If the BPA is a CB do you draft him (assuming Carr is re-signed)?

Hammock Parties 12-20-2011 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8223060)
Why draft a QB when we can pick up a RT, NT, sign Orton and be ready for a Super Bowl run?
LMAO

Sure is ****ing sad how people around here will get on their knees for the first 299-yard passer that buys the fanbase a drink.

durtyrute 12-20-2011 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8223190)
If the BPA is a WR do you draft him?
If the BPA is a SS do you draft him?
If the BPA is a CB do you draft him (assuming Carr is re-signed)?
Good point, I'll go BPA in a position of need. I'm not drafting any of those that you put up, not in the first. If it's a QB then great. I'm just not up for throwing eight picks for one player. Shit, I still want to see what Stanzi has.

Reaper16 12-20-2011 01:21 PM
In the words of the great htismaqe: "Better than bad ≠ good"

chiefscafan 12-20-2011 01:22 PM
I'm tired of the OT in first talk every year. We can get one in later rounds or free agency.


If we want a new face of franchise trade up get QB sign orton and let the fun begin.

If not then trade down draft the one thing this D needs a ILB by DJ the thumper to shut down runs up the middle.

This team isn't as far away as most think

lcarus 12-20-2011 01:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jidar (Post 8222417)
The Orton thing

It's the best QB play we've seen in awhile, but that's not saying much.
I'm okay with Orton at QB, but I realize it's mostly because I've seen such shitty QB play here for the past few years. When you're eating ramen noodles every day then microwave pizza seems like gourmet fare. Thing is, you'll get tired of Microwave pizza pretty quick too and then we'll all be back to bitching about drafting a QBOTF.
Orton had a really good game against Green Bay by anybody's standards.

htismaqe 12-20-2011 01:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 8223230)
I'm tired of the OT in first talk every year. We can get one in later rounds or free agency.


If we want a new face of franchise trade up get QB sign orton and let the fun begin.

If not then trade down draft the one thing this D needs a ILB by DJ the thumper to shut down runs up the middle.

This team isn't as far away as most think
If you want to shut down runs up the middle, we need a NT.

vailpass 12-20-2011 01:34 PM
Orton is definitely the answer for KC at QB. If the Chiefs can sign Orton they should do it, even if they have to win a bidding war with another team.

whoman69 12-20-2011 01:35 PM
I don't really think anyone truly believes Orton to be a long term answer. He's more of the Kreig, Bono, Grbac retread mode. I think you need a good backup like Orton on the team, but that's really all he is.

chiefscafan 12-20-2011 01:40 PM
We need both NT and ILB. I think a rookie ILB can make an impact quicker than a NT. Heck we might have him in powe.

Buckweath 12-20-2011 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8222474)
The only thing I will say in Orton's defense:

He never had a running game AND a defense in Denver.

The Broncos were 18th in rushing and 7th in defense his first year.

His second year they were 26th in rushing and 32nd in defense.

In KC he will most likely have a top 10 running game and top 15 defense next season.
FAIL! We don`t want of a QB who needs a good running game and a good defense to perform. We want one of those QBs that can actually do a good job without a running game and a stout defense. That`s why we have to trade up to get that top QB prospect that might be one of those QBs.

RealSNR 12-20-2011 01:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8223268)
Orton is definitely the answer for KC at QB. If the Chiefs can sign Orton they should do it, even if they have to win a bidding war with another team.
You, sir, are good. You are very good.

htismaqe 12-20-2011 01:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 8223287)
We need both NT and ILB. I think a rookie ILB can make an impact quicker than a NT. Heck we might have him in powe.
If Powe is the answer at NT, then Belcher is the answer at ILB.

ILB is WAY down on the list of needs, sorry.

Chiefnj2 12-20-2011 01:55 PM
It's the player, not the position.

DBOSHO 12-20-2011 01:57 PM
I dont think Orton can be a top 5 quarterback, but with the weapons around him and this defense with Berry back, we can be a contender.

FlaChief58 12-20-2011 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8222387)
There's a reason Broncos fans hated him.

Pressure mostly turns him into a puddle of goo.
This and he throws a shitload of picks and he has a hard time finishing drives. That said, I'm good with him as a stopgap until our QBOTF is ready to go.

bevischief 12-20-2011 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 8223352)
I dont think Orton can be a top 5 quarterback, but with the weapons around him and this defense with Berry back, we can be a contender.
More of a contender with Orton than with Cassel.

htismaqe 12-20-2011 02:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8223345)
It's the player, not the position.
He's not good enough to make it about "the player, not the position".

He's being projected right now between 1-25 and 1-30. We'll be picking much higher than that, even if we win out.

bricks 12-20-2011 02:13 PM
If the Chiefs win out, that puts them in a position to not draft a quarterback.

All those guys, Luck, Griffin III, and Barkley are going top 10.

The only guy that may be available is Tannehill.

I don't see the Chiefs trading up to try and get either Luck, Barkley, or Griffin III. It's just gonna involve too much compensation. Do they go with Tannehill if he falls to them? I don't know.

But one thing is for certain, and I may get bashed for saying this, they could use an offensive lineman. Wiegmann is old, Lilja could be replaced, Richardson needs to be shown the door because we all know he ain't even adequate enough.

Realistically, you have to think Oline. Its the reality and the nature of how things may be played out for this franchise. I think there will be some Olineman available when the Chiefs pick.

Sorry guys. Just being a realist here.

KC_Lee 12-20-2011 02:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bricks (Post 8223411)
If the Chiefs win out, that puts them in a position to not draft a quarterback.

All those guys, Luck, Griffin III, and Barkley are going top 10.

The only guy that may be available is Tannehill.

I don't see the Chiefs trading up to try and get either Luck, Barkley, or Griffin III. It's just gonna involve too much compensation. Do they go with Tannehill if he falls to them? I don't know.

But one thing is for certain, and I may get bashed for saying this, they could use an offensive lineman. Wiegmann is old, Lilja could be replaced, Richardson needs to be shown the door because we all know he ain't even adequate enough.

Realistically, you have to think Oline. Its the reality and the nature of how things may be played out for this franchise. I think there will be some Olineman available when the Chiefs pick.

Sorry guys. Just being a realist here.
But we could pick up Landry Jones!!!

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php

DaWolf 12-20-2011 02:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bricks (Post 8223411)
If the Chiefs win out, that puts them in a position to not draft a quarterback.

All those guys, Luck, Griffin III, and Barkley are going top 10.

The only guy that may be available is Tannehill.

I don't see the Chiefs trading up to try and get either Luck, Barkley, or Griffin III. It's just gonna involve too much compensation. Do they go with Tannehill if he falls to them? I don't know.

But one thing is for certain, and I may get bashed for saying this, they could use an offensive lineman. Wiegmann is old, Lilja could be replaced, Richardson needs to be shown the door because we all know he ain't even adequate enough.

Realistically, you have to think Oline. Its the reality and the nature of how things may be played out for this franchise. I think there will be some Olineman available when the Chiefs pick.

Sorry guys. Just being a realist here.
We need to have one of those lucky years where a guy like Aaron Rodgers plummets down the board and into our laps...

vailpass 12-20-2011 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8223328)
You, sir, are good. You are very good.
And I'd have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids.

bricks 12-20-2011 02:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 8223514)
We need to have one of those lucky years where a guy like Aaron Rodgers plummets down the board and into our laps...
We'll see.

But, Im not feeling too optmistic about it.

I think there are a lot of teams that will be picking before the Chiefs that are in need of Quarterbacks.

i.e, Miami, Cleveland, Washington, Indy, possibly Buffalo? QB's will be just to ripe for the picking.

DeezNutz 12-20-2011 02:55 PM
A well-trained group are we. Strong the True Fan in this fanbase is. Yeesssss....

Anytime you can sign Steve DeOrton and get the play-action pass hitting on all cylinders, you simply have to take that shot.

Baby Lee 12-20-2011 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8223084)
you do realize that pressure turns most QB's into a puddle of goo?
Pressure turned the best QB in the league [yes, I said it, best] into a puddle of goo in Arrowhead last Sunday.

That's one of the things about NFL football I love best, watching an 'unstoppable' QB get rattled when the pressure comes and the WRs get blanket covered and then, heaven forbid, the INT. Suddenly, not so unstoppable. We used to do it all the time in the 90s. Did it numerous times against Manning and Rivers more recently. Love it.

Baby Lee 12-20-2011 03:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8223089)
Chiefs fans will do anything to rationalize avoiding having to draft and develop a first round QB.
Nobody's [at least not the OVERWHELMING majority] doing that. At most they're saying that's not the ONLY thing to do.

But then, as we know, your analysis of the NFL has turned into one big 'OR Gate.'

DeezNutz 12-20-2011 03:07 PM
I wouldn't be against signing Orton as the vet. starter and drafting a QB. But if this organization does the former, I simply don't think they'll do the latter.

Too often, the organization jumps in with both feet when the smell of vet. backup wafts through the air.

The Franchise 12-20-2011 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 8223287)
We need both NT and ILB. I think a rookie ILB can make an impact quicker than a NT. Heck we might have him in powe.
FS is a bigger need than ILB.

wutamess 12-20-2011 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful (Post 8223046)
Didn't Orton start as a rookie over Grossman in
Chicago?
Yes... Rich Gannonesque... He spelled an injured Grossman... Played well and Marty let Grbac... er Grossman back in for the playoffs. The fans believe they could've went to the SB if Orton was the QB instead of Grossman.

Just saying.

rocknrolla 12-20-2011 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 8222607)
I re-watched the DirecTV 30 minute condensed game and Kyle Orton's performance was the first time since Trent Green that we've had a quarterback who could read the defense and make the throw. I don't know how good Orton can be, but he reminded me of Trent Green even more the second time I watched the game. He's certainly good enough to be our starter while we groom an early pick.

Kyle Orton is on a completely different level than Matt Cassel.
I couldn't agree more. I really think Orton could put up better numbers than ever, with the weapons we have and if everyone is healthy next year. Something he has never had.

durtyrute 12-20-2011 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by rocknrolla (Post 8223653)
I couldn't agree more. I really think Orton could put up better numbers than ever, with the weapons we have and if everyone is healthy next year. Something he has never had.
In one game after only being here two weeks, Orton has looked better than Cassel EVER has or ever will. TWO WEEKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.gettingstrongnow.com/wp-c...-weeks-490.jpg

Quesadilla Joe 12-20-2011 03:28 PM
Orton has a way of fooling coaching staffs in the offseason. He is the best practice player in NFL history and plays great in the preseason. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs get tricked into thinking Orton can be a longterm answer and then realize a year or two later they have been fooled.


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