That's just the thing. There's very little evidence to suggest it's anything OTHER than a reaction to Haley. It could be any number of things other thant that, but the evidence doesn't point there. They all talk about how he's a father figure and a teddy bear and blah blah blah.

Just because a coach isn't a total prick doesn't necessarily mean that they can't motivate and lead a disciplined team. Dick Vermeil was known as a players coach yet the guys here at the time seemed to play hard for him. Vermeil had his own motivational style that worked for him. I'm not saying I think that hiring Crennel is a 100% certainty as far as success goes but IMO he has earned a shot at it anyway.

Imagine that, the amount of money you invest in the talent on the field having a direct correlation to wins.

Fat Scott? Clark? Your thoughts on this?

Worked for no playoff wins! :wayne:

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@ChiefsandOsFan Is Mcdaniels the next OC of chiefs?

I don’t think so, but I wouldn’t bet a lot of money on it. Wrote this in the column off the Denver game, but I was told in very clear and strong words that Josh McDaniels wasn’t and won’t be interviewed for the head coaching job.

Final say on the coordinators will go to the head coach — still think it’ll be Romeo, but messages are mudding up a bit — but if you read anything into the information about McDaniels, it’s not a good sign for his chances.



Sam is Backpeddling

Good.

No to McD. Seems like the FO is actually putting time into this decision and not going knee jerk and giving it to ROmeo.

If they go thru the process and he is the guy they like the most, fine. But don't just give it to him just because.

Romeo is the best candidate for the job.

I'm a season ticket holder, I DON't want Pioli gone. You don't build a winning football franchise by replacing GMs every 3rd season. Pioli has not done an amazing job, but he has not been nearly as bad as many on the Planet rant about.

Give him credit he canned a horrible hire in Haley in the middle of the season. Most would not make such a move. He had a solid drafts with the exception of his first, where he went to work very late in process. He has made some solid FA signings.....Breaston & Siler.
He has hired some good coaches (except Hali), Crennel DC, Weiss OC, Thomas DBs.


I really see 3 significant errors; 1. Hiring Haley. 2. Leting Haley go with Muir as defacto OC. 3. Jackson with his 1st pick, he was a huge reach.

Many would say Cassell is a huge mistake. I don't think so. Cassell looked like he might be a quality QB the season he played for the Partiots. He was acquired for the right price and it just did not pan out. It happens all the time in the NFL. The mistake will be if they bring him back.

I'm probably in the minority, but I think Pioli has done a solid job. Not a miracle worker, but a solid job. Give him a B. However, if he does not move on let the Cassel era end then he will quickly turn the B into an F.

This has likely been mentioned (I have not the time to read this whole, entire thread thing), but Crennel has a nice end-of-season press conference on the Chiefs site.

They cut him off at the end, though. It would be nice to hear the entire presser since he is asked about what "needs" he feels the Chiefs have at this time. He says, "I'll be general with you, but we need depth across the board." You get the feeling that he continues to expand on that response, but the bastards who run the Chiefs site go dark at that point.

If anyone has any ideas where a dude person can find the entire press conference, that would be pretty great.

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Several of the vets complained about Vermeil the whole time he was here. Willie Roaf retired rather than deal with that training camp again.

Why would I give him credit for a move that could have been (and most likely was) completely self-serving?

Maybe, but Roaf retired with Vermeil.

Too bad, he would have loved Club Herm.

The signing of Orton and firing of Haley gave KC a legit shot at making the playoffs.

I think that was Shields.

Pioli hired Haley. And you want to give him "credit" for firing him after he turned out to be lousy? Really? It seems to me that Pioli is using Haley as a convenient scapegoat to cover up his other various mistakes.

And how in hell does anybody justify Cassel's contract as "the right price"?

Your last sentence is rather telling in that regard. You've already detailed Pioli's worst mistakes as his first three important moves as the Chiefs new GM... Hiring Haley, Trading for Cassel, and selecting TJack with #3 overall. And you finish your statement saying if he doesn't also admit his mistake with Cassel and cut him, that you'll then give him a failing grade.

2 out of 3 of Pioli's first major moves for the franchise, and you're trying to give him props for admitting to one of the failures and "hopefully" admitting to the other.

I don't get it....

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whoever the LB coach is probably deserves a promotion or even the CB's coach, is it still Emmit Thomas? that would be cool to see him as DC

Mellinger is an idiot. Really. Listen to the guy on the radio.

The crop of available coaches is so bad, I don't see why Romeo shouldn't get hired.

Yeah, he has the support of the team, but I really don't think that's a negative. The defense continued to improve, he actually beat playoff teams, which is something Haley and Cassel couldn't and the staff is going to get overhauled.

I'm not as down on McDaniels as many, but I don't think for a minute that McDaniels = Cassel.

Exactly, if you ignore history, you are destined to repeat it.

They were EXACTLY like this for Frank Ganz, and to a slightly lesser degree, Gunther.

I love me some Romeo Crennel, but now I think hiring him as HC is a mistake.

Maybe Crennel hires Todd Haley to be the OC?

I promised myself long ago that I wouldn't get involved in these discussions, but you're the first one I've seen with this suggestion to promote ET to DC. It's a damn good one IMO.

As far as Crennel goes, there's not a whole lot to get excited about whether he gets the job or not. If it's for the right reasons, then fine. If not, Pioli will bear the brunt. It's his reputation on the line, and I know he's very concerned about his image and that alone will prompt him to do what's best for the team. If you take away Pioli's first year and chalk it up to him learning to fly solo, then he hasn't been that bad. Sure, we don't want mediocrity at all, but this is interesting. There are many possible outcomes based on the decisions being made right now and it all falls on Pioli IMO. Time to sink or swim.....

I'd actually be ok with Romeo + McDaniels if Cassel wasn't part of that equation....I'm just deathly afraid that Pioli simply cannot pass up on his Patriots west wet dream.

I hope I'm wrong.

Please elaborate.

I do not want Cassel here either...but with Cassel, "Pioli's guy", coupled with the the success McDaniels had with Cassel in the past...it would almost be a guarantee that Cassel would be the starter under McDaniels. I don't see how you could view it otherwise...

-Now-

PLEASE...tell me why I am wrong. :)

Well Crennel has stated a few times his support for Orton to be the QB next year. McDaniels(if we end up with him somehow) ended up having more success with Orton than he did Cassel, and he had a far better supporting cast with Cassel too.

If you aren't even sure who they are, how can you tout them for DC?

I like Romeo better than Haley or Herm. The bar can't get any lower :)

Thats exactly what too many people are forgetting, there isnt a single 'sexy' candidate out there.

And as for Romeo being a 'lackey' or 'foot shuffling porter' to Pioli... ANY coach brought in is going to have to reckon with & cede some power to him, for as long as he's here, period.

Give Romeo a bona-fide OC & lets move on.

Yeah...However, I think Pioli will get final say WHO the QB will be.

In the said scenario...

Pioli: "Josh...you did pretty well with both Orton and Cassel."

McDaniels: "Yes"

Pioli: "Well seeing Matt has 'chemistry' with the current players and is already under contract...let's try to rekindle that relationship between you guys. Orton will get an offer somewhere."

McDaniels: "Yes master"

RAC: "But I said Orton sho..."

Pioli: "There is no more to be said regarding this topic."

Exactly what I'm afraid of...hiring Romeo full time and bringing in McDaniels gives Pioli nothing but yes men around him.

They beat a team they shouldn't have and lost to a team they shouldn't have.

They didn't have a legit shot at jack shit.

I don't think so. I know it flies in the face of what everyone around here believes, but I don't think Pioli ever tells coaches who plays and who doesn't. It's not his job. And no matter how egotistical Pioli is, telling his coaches who to play would mean NO ONE would be willing to coach the Chiefs.

So far we've gotten Todd Haley, after 2 years as a semi-successful coordinator, and Romeo Crennel, who is lucky he's even being considered for another HC job.

So saying "nobody" is willing to coach here is actually pretty accurate.

The thing is Cassel was always our best option because Pioli didn't want to bring in anyone else. Last year he drafted Stanzi, and now he signed Orton. Pioli isn't going to be blind to how much better Orton was in all three of his games than Cassel was all year on the same team.

Exactly. If it was up to Pioli, Palko wouldn't have been starting as long as he was. Its no coincidence that a QB change game after a coaching change.

How is he lucky to get another job? How many of the great coaches have only coached one team? The Browns have been bad under every coach, including the great Bill Billichick.

The constant three and outs on offense had plenty to do with this ..

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Still wanna hear your thoughts about mcdaniels as an oc doesnt mean we will stick with cassel as a starter. Thank you mr bad guy!

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Technically, they did achieve jack shit.