Has Quinn got any playing time this season?

Quinn hasn't played in a regular season game since leaving Cleveland.

EDIT: Wait a minute. That might not be right.

EDIT/EDIT: Seems he came in against the Chargers, but I can't find any stats.

It might be worth it to pay Tebow to fake an injury.

He did more than the sack of shit posing as a QB in orange and blue.

Denver fans listen to the non-homer here. Mr Elway, keep having Herm Fox line the fullback up behind center.

Really awful numbers....The Broncos lucky winning streak is about the only thing that justifies him even being on the team.

Will this effect his HOF enshrinement?

You're incredibly dumb. He basically is everything people were saying Cam Newton was going to be: Inept, can't throw, and too stupid to understand the game at this level.

Tebow is to QBs as Clowns are to neurosurgeons...

Tebow isn't the greatest passer and may not be the long-term solution, but I do know that I've seen enough of Quinn to realize that if he was even marginally better than Orton or Tebow, he would have played by now.

There's a reason he failed in CLE and is backing up in Denver... the guy sucks, he's not a leader. Tebow has what a lot of the "supposed to be great QBs" have lacked, and he lacks what everyone thought would make those other guys great. The team appears to have responded positively to Tebow where the teams of QBs like George, Russell, Carr, Quinn, etc never did.

If you could mix the good aspects of Tebow and someone like ... Romo, that QB could be the greatest of all time.

You could be correct. It also could have something to do with the fact that as Orton faltered the fans were chanting, "Tebow! Tebow! Tebow!" rather than "Brady! Brady! Brady!"

Maybe, but I really don't see them making the move because of the fans... if they truly believed in Quinn (remember, Elway and Fox didn't bring any of them here) then they would have played him. They had no idea what they had with Tebow... they knew what they had with Quinn.

I am quite certain that they made the move to Tebow not thinking they would go 7-4 and be where they are right now. I believe they viewed the season as lost and that Quinn wouldn't save them.. only bringing on more calls for the QB that they didn't know much about, so they bypassed the whipping of Quinn starting and said let's see what happens.

Well, there was good and bad... but the good won out to a degree. Can Quinn still start in this league? I'm sure he can, but he's less than Orton and we've seen him and dozens of other QBs that are similar bounce around the league for years.

Tebow isn't a great pure passer right now... he has lots of things to work on, so we'll see if they build around him with players and enhance the game plan a bit with him going forward. Or, maybe they scrap the whole thing... but, despite the ugliness, I think he's earned the right to go into 2012 as the starting QB and we'll see how the team responds.

This is All-World trolling right here, folks. :clap:

What are the aspects of Romo that you wish Tebow had?

The aspect of reading defenses? Or maybe actually making throws?

I was using Romo as an example... I live in Dallas and they tear him down every year when they fail like this. Romo has lots of physical gifts that you want in a QB, but he lacks smarts at times... lacks poise and leadership. I don't think the team believes in him, his body language or his desire.

If they're down and look to him - do they believe he will bring them back?

Those are traits that few QBs have... even dumb face Eli has these traits, coupled with the ability to be a solid pure passer. No, he's not the greatest and isn't elite... but there's a reason why he owns Romo and always seems to come out on top when his team needs him.

Tebow has a lot of that... what I wish he also possessed were some of the passing skills. :doh!: Tebow can make some great passes, but he gets rattled - often times by his own hesitations because he appears afraid to make a mistake and wants to trust his running. That happened yesterday...

I don't disagree.

I guess I should probably reword the question.

Are there any aspects that you wish Tebow had that are non-teachable?

I'm not sure... I know that poise, leadership and mental toughness cannot be taught and he has all of those. All they can do is continue to work on him with the passing game and add playmakers that fit the scheme.

Tebow will certainly put in the hours to improve... that's well documented, I think you can see improvement in his throwing motion and how he has changed things in that area. Some of this just comes with more repetition and experience, so we'll see.

Tebow will never be a Drew Brees type QB... few ever reach that level. But, he can get better... use the pocket more and work the short passing game - they simply DO NOT have a short passing game right now, it's all or nothing.

Quick add...

Just looking at the Broncos recent history... there are reasons why guys like Griese, Plummer, Cutler and Orton have failed... but for each one, can you call them great leaders? Do they have poise and mental toughness?

I don't think so... Tebow has all that stuff, but he also lacks the "passing stats" and production that those guys had and those guys didn't and haven't won much. Now, I think Plummer got screwed over in Denver... the guy made horrible mistakes at times, but he did play well and he had a great run game and defense for a few years in Denver.

Tebow has those things (sort of) now... solid run game and a good defense - both could improve on their consistency. Just as Tebow should likely be given a chance to prove he can improve in 2012 with one more full offseason and training camp and some new additions to the team.

We'll see... if it's more of what we see now by the midway point in 2012, then you can certainly say I'm in favor of moving on. But, let's see if they can make this work. There's just not a better QB on the FA market coming out (I don't think) and they're not going to get a rookie QB in the first round (most likely) that could be better ...

Yeah, Tyler Thigpen should have gotten more of a chance too.

I suppose the problem I see is that I think a lot of Tebow's leadership has come from his proven success in the past. People EXPECT him to be good and EXPECT that he will be helping the team win. I think that leadership is at risk when he starts to be a liability for the team.

Actually you have Steve Deberg, Mark Malone and Akili Smith bringing up the basement.

I hope he is a Bronco for years to come!

May he bless Denver for all his days.

I sincerely hope Elway gives Tebow a 10 year $100+ million extension this offseason.

Sure, it has to come from somewhere... and all he can do now is live up to and expand on it. I believe that when he talks and interacts with his teammates, they see him as genuine and they believe in him.

If you believe in your leader (whether its sports or anything in life) you're going to do what you need to do to raise the bar and it brings a team together. Now, he can't run on this fuel for a career, so yes - he has to improve the areas that everyone picks apart.

I'm interested to see what happens on Sunday - they need to instill the threat of a passing game, but they do have two critical things that you need to win in the playoffs - sound defense and a nice running game.

They need to get back to some of the things they were doing prior to the Chicago game and leave it all on the field ... time to go for broke.

Conservative is fine... pound the ball down their throats, eat up the clock... wear down their defense. But, they have to produce points. If the defense plays like they have played for the most part... 17-20 points can win this game and Denver can do that if they play 'not to lose' like they did on Sunday.

:LOL: Not a chance.... Elway has committed to working with him on things he needs to improve as a QB, but that's about it. There's no need to do any sort of contract reworking.

I don't know what happened to him between the game in KC & the game in Denver
Sunday he had no more confidence in his abilities than Matt Cassel

Yeah, it was weird to watch... that's how I would have expected him (and the team) to play had SD already defeated the Raiders prior to their game. Not sure how to explain it, but he certainly wasn't playing like he has been from a decision making perspective.

Scrambling for that first down and then fumbling... as soon as that happened I thought "there is no chance they win now". It's like Fox decided "ok, I'm definitely going to wait until the last drive to try and win it".

They need to throw more often early in the game... not late when it's expected like on Sunday.

I absolutely love the fact that Tebow is in denver. Welcome to our world chumps. To quarterback hell you go!!

Ohh hell no.. Listen to the media and the possibility of being a Pro-Bowl alternate his rookie season. LOCK HIM UP NOW WHILE HIS ASKING PRICE IS BELOW $15 MILLION PER YEAR. :harumph:

He didn't start the season. So passing yards you can take off the stat list. Other than that, it is awful. How many attempts does he have though? It doesn't matter. I hope he gets off season as a projected starter. I suppose you still draft a QB.

I will humbly submit his completion % of 46.2 as exhibit A to the jury.

Unless accurate means the ball lands quietly between the sidelines, but still inside the stadium.

+rep

Accurate and Tebow should never be used in the same sentence. Unless it is explaining that those two words should not be in the same sentence.

So, when the Broncos win, it's cause Tebow is awesome and led them to a 7-4 record? But when the Chiefs win, it has nothing to do with Orton and it is suddenly a (wait for it) team sport?

Make up your mind, Denver fans. One or the other. Is football a team sport, or is the QB solely responsible for the won-lost record? You can't have it both ways.

LOL

Bronco fans choose to be ignorant... Whatever.

Dude completed 8 passes in 2 games vs the Chiefs.

Don't pay attention to Knowshit.

When KC wins the division with a 10-6 record, it's because of "luck/flukes/SOS/El Nino/refs/etc...".

When Denver wins the division with an 8-8 record, it's because the team is stacked with the deepest talent in the NFL.

It's very sad. Tebow gets all this talk and he goes 6 for 22.
WHEN there is so much greatness going on in the NFL like...
Tom Brady and Drew Brees passing (pun not intended) Dan Marino's 22 year standing record.
Andy Dalton TRUE ROOKIE leading his team to their first playoff appearence in some time.
Cam Newton passing Peyton Manning in Rookie Passing yards.
AND all these don't get as much time on ESPN then Tebow... Sad.

Sour grapes, why you did not win?

Yep, Tebow's gotten more media coverage than all those guys combined this year, with about 1 percent of the talent. It just blows my mind.

It's just fusterating... History has been made this year by so many people and the media is still hung on this Fullback playing qb... Very fusterating.

I have a feeling Tebow is going to be a sad figure
THe media built him & they will destroy the kid

He didn't help his case either...

I think you're just talking to the one fan in this regard. I've never said the turn around this year was all because of the QB.

I loved the look on Elways face at the end of the game. "Dammit, I'm in a no win situation. Keep this loser as qb to make fans happy, and face years of losing, or keep him, make fans happy for another year and then face years of losing. *%&(&%$(&%!!!!!!"

Tim Te-blow

Something like 20 QB's passed for 10k yards a piece this year. So many it's not an achievement but a direct indication to the NFL changing the rules that basically state the reciver must be allowed to catch the ball. Dan Marino would have put up 7 k on his own under these rules.

This is justification at its finest. The media pumped the nation full of a below average quarterback because a 28 year old record being broken by 2 different players isn't newsworthy due to officiating.

Not officiating...league rules changes. The officials out there are just doing what their told. The league has done this...so excuse me if 5000 yards passing doesn't blow my skirt up. I am also sorry you and the ilk are jealous of Tebow...which is really what this boils down to.

Semantics is what you're trying to argue right now with regards to "rule changes". John Elway was someone to be jealous of...not Tim Tebow.

Good Christ, this is Knowmo level trolling.

5000 yards passing isn't very impressive. He'd rather have 1729 yards, 46.5% completion, and 13 turnovers in 11 games...all during a season that had rule changes to help aid quarterbacks.

Your yards per game is wrong, since you divided by the full 16 games. He really only played 11.5 games.

Not that it changes much else, but it should be closer to 145-150 yards/game.

If its so easy, whats your boys problem?

Screw it, let the bronco fans have the guy, hes ****ing terrible, and will only serve to hold them back.

Win for us.

Heh, yep. But Garcia thinks that's "good" and stuff, and from a fan that used to watch Elway, no less.

Jealous of.... Tebow?

Holy ****. I'd sooner give Cassel a lifetime contract and get his face tatooed on top of my head before I'd want Tebow in a Chiefs uniform for a single game.

Good lord. What the **** are you smoking? ROFL

The rules changes are what they are... the league wants more offensive action.

-Three QBs were 5k+ yard passers
-Ten QBs were 4k+ yard passers
-19 WRs/TEs over 1,000 yards
-21 WRs/TEs over 7 TDs

It's a crazy passing league and while the rules suck to a degree regarding how they call the defense now... it is what it is and I'm a passing fan, so I like the crazy production. That's partly why I watch Denver games with one hand nearly ripping the leather off the arm of my recliner and the other one banging the remote against my forehead.

Very true. Tebow has lots of good and lots of bad... but, he's not a QB that generates a great deal of jealousy among football fans at this point.

I'm not jealous. Really, I have nothing against Tebow. I feel that he gets a lot of crap from fans because of his faith and willingness to wear that on his sleeve. I got no problem with that. But I have to hope he fails because he plays for the dirty, stinking Broncos. Add to that the fact that he really sucks as a passer and yet the media (namely ESPN) has made him some kind of God like figure. That is very, very annoying.

I don't give a shit about Tebow's faith one way or another. He seems like a decent guy. But he's a horrible, HORRIBLE quarterback.

Cassel seems like a decent guy. And he's a horrible quarterback. But Tebow's so horrible that he makes Cassel look good.

Question ... I honestly haven't watched many pre-game or post game shows over the last month, just the games. So, I have no idea what the media attention has been like since the 3 game skid.

I know that prior (during the 6 game win streak) it was all over every channel, radio and website... are they still slobbering over Tebow? I have watched some of ESPN or NFLN... not much, but I haven't really seen anything about the Broncos or Tebow like there was a few weeks ago.

I'm guessing it's all starting to settle a bit... am I wrong?

The thing that drove me crazy was Skip Bayless... I've always hated that guy and he was almost making me hate Tebow.

I got the big time impression that the Denver faithful have had it with Tebow.
The Denver sports radio we were listening to after the game were just hammering him.
There is no way in hell Tebow is the starting QB next year in Denver.

Never base predictions on what you hear or read from local media... especially radio shows. These guys are more or less fans that found sweet gigs talking sports.

If decisions were based on the local media coverage in Dallas... Jerry Jones would fire himself, Jimmy Johnson would be back - Romo would be gone.

Tebow has a lot to prove and if the opportunity to upgrade the QB position with someone that "EFX" likes better, they'll do it. It will be a tough sell on the many Tebow minions, but I'll go with whichever decision they make.

Tebow is getting a rest for now, they've got the Jets to rip apart
That circus is better for the ratings

ROFL

Yes, we are jealous that you have Tyler Palko Jr. on your team. Just burning with envy.

That's the John Fox effect. The gameplans are so conservative (ala Marty) that they put the fear of God into the qb not to turn the ball over. They gameplan is to play not to lose which doesn't work very well in the NFL.

Yet Tebow can only muster 60 yards on 22 attempts. And you think he's good. I don't get it.

He's not a good thrower yet. Personally I don't give a shit what he throws for as long as we win. At 7-4 on the season, That's what he did, and he had limited experience and no off-season during a coaching change. Now if he doesn't show the marked improvement he made this year, next year, then it might be time to head in a new direction.

Broncos have a fasination with billboards
KC billboards, Denver billboards, Tebow..all 1dimensionial

I like all aspects of the game.


I differ, not only are they jealous of Tebow, but the coverage drives them up the wall further.

He is good at what he does, that doesn't mean he doesn't have to improve. The biggest place he needs to improve is his anticipation. He can throw accurately enough. He has a decent touch pass. He's good at slants, curls, and okay at post routes. He's good at misdirection. He's good at running the ball and extending plays. His footwork got really better as the season went on. He decent at controlling the saftey with his eyes. And he's learning to read defenses.

This is a good season for a project QB that was considered a 3 year project.

Yeah, I'm mixed on him... the things that need to be improved are quite honestly the very things I'd expect a QB at this level to have already mastered.

I'm sure there is something to the notion that he was drafted with the goal of not starting him prior to 2-3 years... but, that changed.

There were times this year in games with the Chargers, Bears and Vikings where I thought "Hmmm, they can probably make this work". But, they don't have the weapons that fit exactly... so, if they stick with this plan in 2012, there has to be some serious changes to the offense.

They should put in some of the plays that made Plummer successful... need more misdirection plays, more bootlegs ... gotta develop that short passing game with the TEs, RBs, Royal and Willis.

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Anticipation and reading the entire field certainly needs to improve... he locks in on a WR and has missed several open guys the last few games.

I don't know if "accurately enough" is a good way to describe it. He can be accurate, but he has a lot of short passes and just as many high passes. If 'accurate enough' means within 5 feet of the WR, then yes...

I do think he is improving at checking his options and going through the progressions, but he is locking in too much on one guy - whether it's Thomas or Decker.

Decker is simply not getting the looks and is missed thanks to inaccurate passes too often. The guy can make some great catches and he also needs to improve his routes, same with Thomas.

The KC game was the worst that I've seen from him... again, it was like he was playing with the reality that OAK had already lost, giving Denver the win and he was just trying to not screw up. You can't play like that. Maybe they're trying to 'reel him in' too much, I don't know.

If you have a guy like Tebow, you have to let him do what comes naturally and trust his instincts if things break down or the heat is on. If that means he runs more - fine, but don't run hesitantly and then fumble right as you're about to make that 1st down.

The lack of a solid short passing game is killing them... waiting until late to pass more often is not going to work.

They have 2 of the 3 things you need to win - strong run game and a strong defense. Special teams (punt and kick returns) has hurt them a lot recently. Combine that with more turnovers in the last 3 games than they had in the previous 7 and it's just a disaster waiting to happen.

Denver can certainly win this game on Sunday, but they can't play like they did vs KC... they need to come out strong like they did vs NE and BUF, find a way to get over the mental hurdle that has become the 2nd quarter and be smart.

Decker has only been targeted 8 times in the last 3 games... only twice vs NE and only twice vs KC. That will not cut it.

Decker had 17 targets in the previous 3 games and and 13 in the 3 prior to that stretch.

In comparison, Thomas has 40 targets in the last 4 games... 21 receptions.

Matt Willis, Eddie Royal, Daniel Fells, McGahee and Lance Ball ... they're getting little action in the targets per game. And, I realize it's going to be low when you only throw on average 20-25 times per game. But, if they mix it up better and have plays (misdirection, bootlegs, play action) that can open up those 5-15 yard passes... they could likely see greater production and keep the defenses honest.

I just don't think that those guys (underlined above) are the best weapons to have and those are the areas to fix in the off-season.